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(12-28-2020, 12:01 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-26-2020, 07:36 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]
Mac Jones >>> Tua

You dont think so?

(12-28-2020, 12:40 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-28-2020, 12:01 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

You dont think so?

You don't think Tua's better than Mac? Nick Saban disagrees.

(12-28-2020, 12:52 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-28-2020, 12:40 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]You dont think so?

You don't think Tua's better than Mac? Nick Saban disagrees.

No I don't, can you give a link where Saban said that?  A lot of Alabama fans agree.

(12-28-2020, 12:09 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-27-2020, 07:16 PM)Mandeezee Wrote: [ -> ]All I need is for him to be at least as good as Brunell.

I need for him to be a lot better than that. Brunell was the best QB in Jags' history, but in the grand scheme of things, he was not a great QB. He was good, not great and certainly not elite.

Right. We all love Brunell, he was a good QB and a great person, but Trevor needs to be much better than Brunell. If Brunell were an elite QB the Jags would have won the Superbowl in '99.

(12-28-2020, 12:09 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-27-2020, 07:16 PM)Mandeezee Wrote: [ -> ]All I need is for him to be at least as good as Brunell.

I need for him to be a lot better than that. Brunell was the best QB in Jags' history, but in the grand scheme of things, he was not a great QB. He was good, not great and certainly not elite.

I think the argument for Brunell is that he played 15 years before his time (game has changed) and the Jags may have been too run heavy to really maximize his talent/ability. I don't know if that is correct as I wasn't a fan back then.

Despite that, I agree with you O-line. The expectation for Lawrence should be multiple Super Bowl appearances. I know that seems high, but when people are putting you in the same conversation as Luck/Manning/Elway, them's the breaks.

(12-28-2020, 12:40 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-28-2020, 12:01 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

You dont think so?

Nah. Could Jones eventually develop to a better QB? Sure but that is kinda the deal with any NFL QB based on the situation they are in and the team they go to.

There's a reason Tua was taken top ten and Jones is likely a late 1st or 2nd rounder. I think Jones didn't look great last year when he came in for Tua and this year has benefitted from an astronomical amount of talent around him. The wideouts have been better and deeper, the RB was unstoppable, the OL is was better this year...

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/mac...-better-qb
This article lists all the things Tua is better than Jones at.... namely, everything lol

And Saban speaks with his depth chart. Tua was better than Hurts, which is why Tua took over (even though Hurts bailed him out that one year) and Jones was stuck behind Tua until injury (and Tua being drafted)

(12-28-2020, 01:33 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-28-2020, 12:40 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]You dont think so?

Nah. Could Jones eventually develop to a better QB? Sure but that is kinda the deal with any NFL QB based on the situation they are in and the team they go to.

There's a reason Tua was taken top ten and Jones is likely a late 1st or 2nd rounder. I think Jones didn't look great last year when he came in for Tua and this year has benefitted from an astronomical amount of talent around him. The wideouts have been better and deeper, the RB was unstoppable, the OL is was better this year...

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/mac...-better-qb
This article lists all the things Tua is better than Jones at.... namely, everything lol

And Saban speaks with his depth chart. Tua was better than Hurts, which is why Tua took over (even though Hurts bailed him out that one year) and Jones was stuck behind Tua until injury (and Tua being drafted)

The reason Tua was taken high was because 1 team fell in love with him the year before.  I don’t think any other team would of taken him in the top 10.  I’m not talking about how good Jones was last year, I’m talking about now and his future.  I think Jones is better now than Tua was when he came out.  Tua couldn’t handle pressure and folded when pressured.  I haven’t seen Jones do that.  I also think Jones is a better deep ball thrower.  I think Jones is better now and will be a better Pro QB.  Just because a QB gets drafted earlier than another one it doesn’t mean they are better, it just means that GM made a mistake

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And who the hell is Kyle Cribbs? Lol. Plus that article was written in October

(12-28-2020, 01:43 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-28-2020, 01:33 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Nah. Could Jones eventually develop to a better QB? Sure but that is kinda the deal with any NFL QB based on the situation they are in and the team they go to.

There's a reason Tua was taken top ten and Jones is likely a late 1st or 2nd rounder. I think Jones didn't look great last year when he came in for Tua and this year has benefitted from an astronomical amount of talent around him. The wideouts have been better and deeper, the RB was unstoppable, the OL is was better this year...

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/mac...-better-qb
This article lists all the things Tua is better than Jones at.... namely, everything lol

And Saban speaks with his depth chart. Tua was better than Hurts, which is why Tua took over (even though Hurts bailed him out that one year) and Jones was stuck behind Tua until injury (and Tua being drafted)

The reason Tua was taken high was because 1 team fell in love with him the year before.  I don’t think any other team would of taken him in the top 10.  I’m not talking about how good Jones was last year, I’m talking about now and his future.  I think Jones is better now than Tua was when he came out.  Tua couldn’t handle pressure and folded when pressured.  I haven’t seen Jones do that.  I also think Jones is a better deep ball thrower.  I think Jones is better now and will be a better Pro QB.  Just because a QB gets drafted earlier than another one it doesn’t mean they are better, it just means that GM made a mistake

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And who the hell is Kyle Cribbs? Lol. Plus that article was written in October

Jones has had better protection and hasn't seen real pressure.
And yeah the article is a little dated but it's legit. Jones didn't suddenly become more mobile or have a stronger arm.

The future is a big unknown and I said he could develop into a better QB but based on skill and ability alone Tua is better, imo.
Potential (which is about getting better and having more between the ears) sure Jones could become the better QB long term. It's one of the things I liked about Trask so much, I believe he has the ability to be really good beyond the typical arm strength stuff.

(12-28-2020, 01:49 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-28-2020, 01:43 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]The reason Tua was taken high was because 1 team fell in love with him the year before.  I don’t think any other team would of taken him in the top 10.  I’m not talking about how good Jones was last year, I’m talking about now and his future.  I think Jones is better now than Tua was when he came out.  Tua couldn’t handle pressure and folded when pressured.  I haven’t seen Jones do that.  I also think Jones is a better deep ball thrower.  I think Jones is better now and will be a better Pro QB.  Just because a QB gets drafted earlier than another one it doesn’t mean they are better, it just means that GM made a mistake

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And who the hell is Kyle Cribbs? Lol. Plus that article was written in October

Jones has had better protection and hasn't seen real pressure.
And yeah the article is a little dated but it's legit. Jones didn't suddenly become more mobile or have a stronger arm.

The future is a big unknown and I said he could develop into a better QB but based on skill and ability alone Tua is better, imo.
Potential (which is about getting better and having more between the ears) sure Jones could become the better QB long term. It's one of the things I liked about Trask so much, I believe he has the ability to be really good beyond the typical arm strength stuff.

Tuas line was just as good last year with Wills at RT.  Their WRs corps were deeper and just as good if not better with Juedy and Riggs who both went top 20.  Waddle, who was Bama number 1 went down for the year earlier in the season and Jones hasn't missed a beat.  Lol acting like they had a lesser offensive weapons last year. Jones has the higher upside imo when you watch him play, we will see what they do in the league

no offensse to anyone else on the board,i  wanted to hear from FBT his thoughts on some things. other feel free to chime in.  


jags get first pick this year its good, and bad cause  the first pick doesn't always end up being sussesful.  wih that being said i would like to hear some reasons,if jags  get lawance. he may decided to stay in clemson still we don't know. 

lets so he declares for nfl, and jags draft him.


what are reasons he would fail in nfl besides a bad o-line like jags have.  why do some people think 1 person can turn a frnchise around for? my dad, and i both think jags need a lot more then a top qb.


who would be a good HC for jags with larwence? 


what reason do you think would cause him to be a succes in nfl?   please write back soon as you can.

Look at the Colts. They went 2-14, drafted Luck, and immediately went 11-5 and in the playoffs.

Trevor alone won't completely turn the franchise, but if he's half as good as expected, that's better than we've had at QB since Brunell. QB is the most important position in sports, and a good one covers up a lot of holes on a team. Seattle has a worse defense than us, but won their division because they have Wilson. Buffalo is average at best without Allen. The Pats with and without Brady look like two completely different teams. A top QB instantly elevates a team.

(12-29-2020, 10:03 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]Look at the Colts. They went 2-14, drafted Luck, and immediately went 11-5 and in the playoffs.

Trevor alone won't completely turn the franchise, but if he's half as good as expected, that's better than we've had at QB since Brunell. QB is the most important position in sports, and a good one covers up a lot of holes on a team. Seattle has a worse defense than us, but won their division because they have Wilson. Buffalo is average at best without Allen. The Pats with and without Brady look like two completely different teams. A top QB instantly elevates a team.

Regarding your last two sentences, the team Brady is currently on is going to the playoffs after not doing so since 2007.

The oline isn't as bad as you think it is. Glennon has had barley any hits in the 4 games he's played. The running holes are there as well. Maybe we just need a QB who can see and make the throws.

Lawrence will have allot more players around him then say Burrows did.

Chark, cple, laviska, collins plus Robison, eiffort.

That's not a bad offense for a rookie. Plus what we add in the draft and FA.

Help yourself out wolfie, just deep breaths exhale deep breaths exhale, trevor lawrence is the savior, repeat again, repeat again, relax, repeat again, now you can sleep in peace. Nice.

Our luck he will lose the national championship game and not declare.

As far as coach....Maybe Jim Harbaugh or Dabo Swinney.

(12-29-2020, 09:46 PM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]no offensse to anyone else on the board,i  wanted to hear from FBT his thoughts on some things. other feel free to chime in.  


jags get first pick this year its good, and bad cause  the first pick doesn't always end up being sussesful.  wih that being said i would like to hear some reasons,if jags  get lawance. he may decided to stay in clemson still we don't know. 

lets so he declares for nfl, and jags draft him.


what are reasons he would fail in nfl besides a bad o-line like jags have.  why do some people think 1 person can turn a frnchise around for? my dad, and i both think jags need a lot more then a top qb.


who would be a good HC for jags with larwence? 


what reason do you think would cause him to be a succes in nfl?   please write back soon as you can.

I think just about every realist on this board has been saying a top QB alone is not going to turn a team's fortunes around.

Some reasons he might fail - we hire Ryan Grigson as GM (joking, but any GM who fails to put talent around the QB), injury, ego, intelligence (or lack thereof) are all factors that can lead to ANY QB failing. I assume TLaw can spell cat if you spot him the C and the T, and I haven't seen anything that says he will butt heads with a coach or have difficulty absorbing a playbook.

There's always learned helplessness - the idea that if you try your darnedest and fail every time, you eventually stop trying. I think that happened when Bortles was here, a lot of the supporting cast were busy waiting for the errant throw rather than going out and making a play. Again, I don't see that being a major concern with TLaw.

He's had success everywhere he's been so far. If he (or the team) struggles, how does he react? That is going to be the biggest hurdle at the beginning.

I am no expert on head coaches, but I think the best fit for any top pick QB is going to be either an HC or coordinator/QB coach that has a track record of developing young QB, with offensive schemes that are not going to subject them to a lot of risk early on. Quick plays to avoid big hits, safe passes to move chains, mixed in with some deep looks to keep the D on their heels. Brian Daboll out of Buffalo is a name that has surfaced lately, and please make sure that your dad understands that just because Marrone coached in Buffalo, they are not the same guy. I think for me, I have more coaches that I do not want us to hire as opposed to those who would be a good fit.

He'll be a success if he keeps his head on straight, and the team builds talent around him. He'll be a success if fans, coaches, and ownership do not expect to immediately transform into a dynasty.

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(12-30-2020, 05:29 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Our luck he will lose the national championship game and not declare.

As far as coach....Maybe Jim Harbaugh or Dabo Swinney.

If that's the case, just take all the responses and CTRL-H Lawrence with Wilson.

No such thing as a 'sure thing.' So this is like saying "Water is wet."

I remember back during like the 2014-2015 season, the Patriots lost to the Chiefs on a MNF game. After the game, Dilfer proclaimed that the "Patriots just aren't that good anymore!"

After hearing that statement from him, I have stopped listening to a word out of his mouth. This one included.

(12-30-2020, 05:29 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Our luck he will lose the national championship game and not declare.

As far as coach....Maybe Jim Harbaugh or Dabo Swinney.

FWIW, his fiancé tweeted something of the sorts congratulating him on all he accomplished and closing one chapter and starting a new one together.    That was tweeted 12/28 I think.  After we secured the number one pick.  But, who knows, she could’ve just been taking about getting married.

I'll give the guy a SMALL amount of respect for playing the most demanding position on the field for 13 seasons. He was by all accounts a MEDIOCRE QB. He lucked into a Super Bowl title with the best defense of all time, and looking at his numbers, every single metric shows him as being subpar (55% completion percentage, more picks than TDs). Even in the Super Bowl: He went 12/25, 153 yards and a TD.

Even looking at his "Elite 11" QB camps.....a lot of the guys who go through there don't amount to anything. Which is funny...because Trevor Lawrence went through in 2017. Same class as Justin Fields who won the MVP. Dilfer is blowing the horn for Fields:

https://247sports.com/Article/Trevor-Law...157789032/

Here's what Dilfer has to say: “If Lawrence goes to a place with poor offensive vision, and so much of it is scheme-based in the NFL. But if he goes to a place with a poor offensive line and you don’t have at least two other Top-50 players in the league, which usually need to be a pass catcher and a runner, and then you need a Top-100-200 either tight end or slot receiver – if you don’t have those things, yeah, he could be screwed up."

Sounds like he might be okay considering we have Chark, Cole, Shenault along with James Robinson.