(03-05-2021, 03:38 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (03-05-2021, 03:21 PM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ]It looks like the LA Chargers will be releasing G Trai Turner.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...ai-turner/
I am hearing there will be a glut of interior OL available due to the cap.
Turner would be a good get, but all things considered, I'd still rather keep Norwell.
It sure looks like there will be a glut of interior OL. available. It's another reminder of the importance for NFL players to try to get as much guaranteed money as possible. For every Marvin Jones who played all 5 years under the terms of the UFA contract he signed, there are probably at least 15 UFAs that signed long contracts that were released or had to restructure their contracts downward to avoid being a salary cap casualty.
Even with a likely change at LT for the Jaguars, I agree with you and everyone else in this thread that expressed a preference for the Jaguars keeping Andrew Norwell at least one more season. Continuity with Brandon Linder would increase the chances of James Robinson building on his impressive work season, which by itself would help Trevor Lawrence ( or whoever else takes snaps for the Jags ) being in more favorable passing situations.
(03-05-2021, 04:15 PM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-05-2021, 03:38 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I am hearing there will be a glut of interior OL available due to the cap.
Turner would be a good get, but all things considered, I'd still rather keep Norwell.
It sure looks like there will be a glut of interior OL. available. It's another reminder of the importance for NFL players to try to get as much guaranteed money as possible. For every Marvin Jones who played all 5 years under the terms of the UFA contract he signed, there are probably at least 15 UFAs that signed long contracts that were released or had to restructure their contracts downward to avoid being a salary cap casualty.
Even with a likely change at LT for the Jaguars, I agree with you and everyone else in this thread that expressed a preference for the Jaguars keeping Andrew Norwell at least one more season. Continuity with Brandon Linder would increase the chances of James Robinson building on his impressive work season, which by itself would help Trevor Lawrence ( or whoever else takes snaps for the Jags ) being in more favorable passing situations.
Agree 100%. We should just concentrate on getting a new LT and competition at RT. Next year, we can work on the interior O-Line, but if we "tinker" too much with it now and the new guys don't "gel" as a unit, that could get Trevor hurt.
Norwell wasn't good last year, but he wasn't bad. Which makes you look good when the two previous years were in fact bad.
That said, he is very upgradeable, so if they have a plan to upgrade him then ok. If they're doing it just to do it then there is no point.
(03-05-2021, 04:20 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (03-05-2021, 04:15 PM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ]It sure looks like there will be a glut of interior OL. available. It's another reminder of the importance for NFL players to try to get as much guaranteed money as possible. For every Marvin Jones who played all 5 years under the terms of the UFA contract he signed, there are probably at least 15 UFAs that signed long contracts that were released or had to restructure their contracts downward to avoid being a salary cap casualty.
Even with a likely change at LT for the Jaguars, I agree with you and everyone else in this thread that expressed a preference for the Jaguars keeping Andrew Norwell at least one more season. Continuity with Brandon Linder would increase the chances of James Robinson building on his impressive work season, which by itself would help Trevor Lawrence ( or whoever else takes snaps for the Jags ) being in more favorable passing situations.
Agree 100%. We should just concentrate on getting a new LT and competition at RT. Next year, we can work on the interior O-Line, but if we "tinker" too much with it now and the new guys don't "gel" as a unit, that could get Trevor hurt.
An unnecessary greater risk to Trevor's health seems like what would be the end result if Andrew Norwell is released by the Jaguars. Another negative ramification is less interior protection ( if this is the result ) could lead to bad habits by Trevor that aren't easy to correct.
-Norwell is not that good. Yes we are #1 in the league in salary but Norwell in no way shape or form is worth $15 million. Most of you forget that he played like totaly trash his first 2 years here. He was good last year but not great. Use that $9million to upgrade. You guys want to protect Lawrence but Norwell is the guy that let Minshew get hurt. Good Riddance in my book. Take Cam Robinson with him. I like the idea of Taylor moving to guard. Get 2 big boys in free agency/trade to bookend this line. I do not agree with the mentality of "keeping this line together. " You guys forget the games in 2019 when the QB had less than 2 seconds in the pocket?
Very foolish idea to trade him. He is a very solid force at G. Not the best but very underrated IMO.
(03-05-2021, 01:26 PM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ]Because the Jaguars have the most salary cap space in the NFL at present, they have the luxury of keeping Andrew Norwell until his expected replacement can be added.
As much as it would benefit Norwell to be released ASAP ( if he's indeed going to be released ), the Jaguars would be hurting their contract leverage with FA Guards if Norwell is released before his replacement is secured.
Very well stated D6.
I thought that Norwell was one of the better players on the team last year even if his performance was not commensurate with his performance.
There are some nice prospects at the guard position that I think will be available in the mid rounds of the draft.
(03-05-2021, 06:41 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]-Norwell is not that good. Yes we are #1 in the league in salary but Norwell in no way shape or form is worth $15 million. Most of you forget that he played like totaly trash his first 2 years here. He was good last year but not great. Use that $9million to upgrade. You guys want to protect Lawrence but Norwell is the guy that let Minshew get hurt. Good Riddance in my book. Take Cam Robinson with him. I like the idea of Taylor moving to guard. Get 2 big boys in free agency/trade to bookend this line. I do not agree with the mentality of "keeping this line together. " You guys forget the games in 2019 when the QB had less than 2 seconds in the pocket?
I don't like the idea of Jawaan Taylor playing anywhere on our offensive line to be honest. He only graded out at a paltry 56.5 last year. He's too slow, gets beat too much and when he isn't giving up sacks and QB hits, he is holding. He is without a doubt, the weakest link in the starting O-Line. If anything, we should look to trade or cut him.
(03-05-2021, 01:26 PM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ]As much as it would benefit Norwell to be released ASAP ( if he's indeed going to be released ), the Jaguars would be hurting their contract leverage with FA Guards if Norwell is released before his replacement is secured.
I disagree on this point.
If there ends up a glut on IOL on the market as many predict (and what seems to be happening), I'm not sure that will have any real negative impact on any contract leverage.
Every year there are cap casualties. Every year, the teams that cut players due to the cap ends up signing players to replace them.
If there are a bunch of offensive linemen on the market, they will want to work and get paid. If a team is offering a reasonable contract, the player will sign.
If they wait, they will be without a chair when the music stops, because when other players sign and roster spots and the money under the cap disappears, they will be with fewer viable options.
All of this said, I still say we should keep Norwell.
Norwell had a pff grade of 68 on him. Not impressed
Jason La “[BLEEP]” Cantora???? Why do we get bent over by these NFL “writer/ reporter/insider/shills for click bait/ responses/attention getting msg board fodder [BLEEP]”. Meyer is now at the helm and only he will decide who will be on the 2021 roster. Probably gonna be Norwell at LG. Go Jags.
Cam Robinson deleted all his Jaguars pics.
I don’t see a scenario where we lose our LT and LG or keep our LT and release our LG.
(03-05-2021, 08:38 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Norwell had a pff grade of 68 on him. Not impressed
Look at our OT's. Cam was a 61 and Taylor was a 56.
(03-06-2021, 12:01 AM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]Cam Robinson deleted all his Jaguars pics.
I don’t see a scenario where we lose our LT and LG or keep our LT and release our LG.
That's a good sign.
Oline pass blocking has been crap for years. I am cool with bringing in some new blood. Shake it up baby.
It is a bit weird tho after meyers earlier stmt.
(03-06-2021, 01:12 AM)surfon Wrote: [ -> ]Oline pass blocking has been crap for years. I am cool with bringing in some new blood. Shake it up baby.
It is a bit weird tho after meyers earlier stmt.
kind of agree with ya here.
I'm not in favour of blowing up our OL especially after Meyer's comments but they dont exactly have the most compelling stats when you look deeper. I'm all for dropping Norwell and moving on. We do have to nail the LT position though... we cannot afford TL blindside to be exposed.
(03-06-2021, 01:01 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (03-05-2021, 08:38 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Norwell had a pff grade of 68 on him. Not impressed
Look at our OT's. Cam was a 61 and Taylor was a 56.
Smoot was a 57. Dewey Wingard 68.
Different positions but the logic is the same. If you believe in PFF then you'd have to realize that Smoot is awful and Wingard is the best player in the secondary.
Ultimately I feel about Norwell like I did about Eifert. I'm fine either way but I expect them to find a replacement at least as good. This isn't the year we need to have any cap casualties.
(03-06-2021, 01:25 AM)MJonesD_32 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-06-2021, 01:12 AM)surfon Wrote: [ -> ]Oline pass blocking has been crap for years. I am cool with bringing in some new blood. Shake it up baby.
It is a bit weird tho after meyers earlier stmt.
kind of agree with ya here.
I'm not in favour of blowing up our OL especially after Meyer's comments but they dont exactly have the most compelling stats when you look deeper. I'm all for dropping Norwell and moving on. We do have to nail the LT position though... we cannot afford TL blindside to be exposed.
Adding panels and braces to a dilapidated fence isn't blowing it up.. I'm pretty sure Meyer knows the rook is gonna need as much O-line protection as possible..
(03-06-2021, 06:08 AM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ] (03-06-2021, 01:01 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Look at our OT's. Cam was a 61 and Taylor was a 56.
Smoot was a 57. Dewey Wingard 68.
Different positions but the logic is the same. If you believe in PFF then you'd have to realize that Smoot is awful and Wingard is the best player in the secondary.
Ultimately I feel about Norwell like I did about Eifert. I'm fine either way but I expect them to find a replacement at least as good. This isn't the year we need to have any cap casualties.
(Emphasis added)
That's the thing.
PFF is the same entity that led people on this board to conclude Derek Cox was a better CB than Darelle Revis.
(03-06-2021, 06:08 AM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ] (03-06-2021, 01:01 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Look at our OT's. Cam was a 61 and Taylor was a 56.
Smoot was a 57. Dewey Wingard 68.
Different positions but the logic is the same. If you believe in PFF then you'd have to realize that Smoot is awful and Wingard is the best player in the secondary.
Ultimately I feel about Norwell like I did about Eifert. I'm fine either way but I expect them to find a replacement at least as good. This isn't the year we need to have any cap casualties.
None of our O-Linemen are great. That's apparent. I just don't understand the logic of saying you're not going to "blow up" the offensive line, but you're shopping the best piece you have, on the interior, while knowing that your OT's are hot garbage and one of them is an UFA. To me, if you replace 2-3 pieces on the O-Line, that's pretty much blowing it up. Especially when some of those pieces are gonna be on the QB's blindside. That seems dangerous. I'd work on replacing the worst positions, first.
(03-06-2021, 10:00 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (03-06-2021, 06:08 AM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]Smoot was a 57. Dewey Wingard 68.
Different positions but the logic is the same. If you believe in PFF then you'd have to realize that Smoot is awful and Wingard is the best player in the secondary.
Ultimately I feel about Norwell like I did about Eifert. I'm fine either way but I expect them to find a replacement at least as good. This isn't the year we need to have any cap casualties.
None of our O-Linemen are great. That's apparent. I just don't understand the logic of saying you're not going to "blow up" the offensive line, but you're shopping the best piece you have, on the interior, while knowing that your OT's are hot garbage and one of them is an UFA. To me, if you replace 2-3 pieces on the O-Line, that's pretty much blowing it up. Especially when some of those pieces are gonna be on the QB's blindside. That seems dangerous. I'd work on replacing the worst positions, first.
Exactly!