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Somehow....even with what we thought was a good draft, good FA pickups and another year under our veterans' belts......we managed to recreate the Jags of 2012.  :ermm:

Arob should bulk up like Marcedes Lewis if he's gonna be blocking for all these bubble screens.

Give Blake the keys to the Vette,and watch the offense take off again.

It's too early in the season for stats like these.


The Packers game could have been won. And the Chargers game we just flopped.


We just need a win. At all cost. 50 times behind the line....as long as we win.

Bortles may be the best or one of the best at throwing deep last year. Why do they insist on making things work that wont? Many of those screens and shorter passes were scripted too. Another sign of poor scheming / coaching. 

Yeldon has 12 catches for 40 yards so far. On pace for 96 catches and 320 yards. Need more screens. 

Quote:Bortles may be the best or one of the best at throwing deep last year. Why do they insist on making things work that wont? Many of those screens and shorter passes were scripted too. Another sign of poor scheming / coaching.

To be honest, we are a feast or famine offense when we play like that.


That back yard football, throw it up to Robinson, is not going to win us a championship.


Bortles played his worse game last week. He's a pro, he will bounce back.

Quote:Yeldon has 12 catches for 40 yards so far. On pace for 96 catches and 320 yards. Need more screens.

While I'm trying to remain positive, I have to say Yeldon has disappointed me big time. I thought he was an every down RB. I'm not even sure if he is starting material.

First play from scrimmage (after the false start), 9 men in the box on D and we stick with the run?

 



 

Gotta lose enough for Jabrill Peppers.

Quote:While I'm trying to remain positive, I have to say Yeldon has disappointed me big time. I thought he was an every down RB. I'm not even sure if he is starting material.

I agree, he certainly hasn't looked the part of the 36th pick of a draft. Which for a RB is very high. Though, as JeremyNFL has shown above me it constantly looks like Yeldon is being shafted. He is always hit in the backfield. It falls on Bortles and Linder to some degree. Bortles needs to be able to check out of situations like this, and Linder has to help out with making sure players block the right guy. I am not sure, but maybe the offense is giving out some major tells that it is about to be a run play. Maybe Bortles has his tongue stick out to the left on running plays, and to the right on passing plays. 

Quote:I agree, he certainly hasn't looked the part of the 36th pick of a draft. Which for a RB is very high. Though, as JeremyNFL has shown above me it constantly looks like Yeldon is being shafted. He is always hit in the backfield. It falls on Bortles and Linder to some degree. Bortles needs to be able to check out of situations like this, and Linder has to help out with making sure players block the right guy. I am not sure, but maybe the offense is giving out some major tells that it is about to be a run play. Maybe Bortles has his tongue stick out to the left on running plays, and to the right on passing plays. 

 

I don't get the impression that the play-calling in general is helping much for any player, and I don't understand why Bortles hasn't matured to where he can appropriately audible when needed (like to a pass when there's 8 men in the box and you know your running play is doomed).

Quote:First play from scrimmage (after the false start), 9 men in the box on D and we stick with the run?

7 man.


The other 2 are corners covering our WRs.

Quote:7 man.


The other 2 are corners covering our WRs.

 

Fair enough...but I'm sure we can agree, that's a crowded LOS.

Quote:Fair enough...but I'm sure we can agree, that's a crowded LOS.

With only 2 LBs they should be able to run all over that. Especially with 2 TEs.


Honestly the Chargers just whipped us.

Quote:With only 2 LBs they should be able to run all over that. Especially with 2 TEs.


Honestly the Chargers just whipped us.

Yes and no. In this formation, when you run you are putting your bet on 2 wide receivers and a receiving TE not known for their blocking ability in tight on the formation. With a back not known for his power, or anything for that matter, going against a 9 man front. Ivory may be able to gain something on that, but we are not built up front for smash mouth punch it into 9 man fronts, even if corners are in there(even in a 4-3 base a 9 man front has 2 DBs in the box with 0 coverage outside) I think that is a bad idea, you essentially are creating a poor scenario of 9 in the box on your own behalf. To the contrary, if you spread the WRs out you are basically in nickel with a corner in tight for Julius. This formation screams run or screen and they sniffed it out all damn day. Either way the scheme and execution were God awful for the situation, why not hit something intermediate outside or down the seam with single high? You are already down 5 yards to a penalty? Just a head scratcher to me. 

 

 

Edit: Looking at it on my own, since I just bought game pass... Julius Thomas pulls from across the formation, and is the lead blocker on your example play. That is poor  personnel packaging/coaching in my book. Putting player/s in a bad spot. Instead of Lewis or a Guard pulling... Julius Thomas is pulling from the entire opposite side of the formation, as a lead blocker and he whiffs, TFL is your result. He hardly got there time to even lay a block on anyone. That is a bad play. 

Teams have figured the Blake to Robinson jump ball out. It worked for mega yards last season but may have lulled us into complacency. Blake is having a hard time actually pin pointing passes, his long ball is often a yard too far, his slants behind receivers, he has not been good despite the garbage time numbers. Lee has regressed, Thomas fades after a big shot, Lewis is now good for 3 catches a game maximum. With no running game, a lot is riding on AR, Hurns, and Blake and last year the two Allens would catch it no matter where it was thrown. Well the defense has watched film and those same balls are being swatted down now. We Need good coaching to get faster smaller players in the game as a change up, and options to get Robinson and Hurns open such as starting him at TE or RB, whatever it takes to get a better matchup for these two. Forget Lee! He is a waste out there, as are the screens to Yeldon who can't break an open field tackle if his life depended on it.

The coaches are still relying on last years passing success, a mark of a bad coach, instead of recognizing the Allen and Allen jump ball routine has been figured out. Blake has got to learn to pin point pass now on solid route running, and encourage him to improvise with his feet, he is a big man, if we need 3 yards his legs should the second option. Typical Jags though, not using players correctly and relying on past success. That's why we fix one thing another issue comes up, we have never constantly changed to keep teams off balance. Throwing it up for Robinson grabs worked last year, so we expected it to work this year. Well it might if it wasn't tried on every 3rd down for Christ's sake. The other teams are not stupid. They watched our tendencies. I cannot say the same for our staff, we are always out coached.

Quote:Fair enough...but I'm sure we can agree, that's a crowded LOS.

thats what you get when you try to run every player inside the numbers. Bunches up the defense and makes running up the middle or screens have a high fail rate. Not sure whose drawing up these plays. They need to stop.

Quote:Yes and no. In this formation, when you run you are putting your bet on 2 wide receivers and a receiving TE not known for their blocking ability in tight on the formation. With a back not known for his power, or anything for that matter, going against a 9 man front. Ivory may be able to gain something on that, but we are not built up front for smash mouth punch it into 9 man fronts, even if corners are in there(even in a 4-3 base a 9 man front has 2 DBs in the box with 0 coverage outside) I think that is a bad idea, you essentially are creating a poor scenario of 9 in the box on your own behalf. To the contrary, if you spread the WRs out you are basically in nickel with a corner in tight for Julius. This formation screams run or screen and they sniffed it out all damn day. Either way the scheme and execution were God awful for the situation, why not hit something intermediate outside or down the seam with single high? You are already down 5 yards to a penalty? Just a head scratcher to me.



Edit: Looking at it on my own, since I just bought game pass... Julius Thomas pulls from across the formation, and is the lead blocker on your example play. That is poor personnel packaging/coaching in my book. Putting player/s in a bad spot. Instead of Lewis or a Guard pulling... Julius Thomas is pulling from the entire opposite side of the formation, as a lead blocker and he whiffs, TFL is your result. He hardly got there time to even lay a block on anyone. That is a bad play.

More play action would have been better at baiting them into the run. Might have opened up the offense and back their rush off. On the other hand the could have just sacked bortles before he had a chance to turn and throw.

Quote:Teams have figured the Blake to Robinson jump ball out. It worked for mega yards last season but may have lulled us into complacency. Blake is having a hard time actually pin pointing passes, his long ball is often a yard too far, his slants behind receivers, he has not been good despite the garbage time numbers. Lee has regressed, Thomas fades after a big shot, Lewis is now good for 3 catches a game maximum. With no running game, a lot is riding on AR, Hurns, and Blake and last year the two Allens would catch it no matter where it was thrown. Well the defense has watched film and those same balls are being swatted down now. We Need good coaching to get faster smaller players in the game as a change up, and options to get Robinson and Hurns open such as starting him at TE or RB, whatever it takes to get a better matchup for these two. Forget Lee! He is a waste out there, as are the screens to Yeldon who can't break an open field tackle if his life depended on it.

The coaches are still relying on last years passing success, a mark of a bad coach, instead of recognizing the Allen and Allen jump ball routine has been figured out. Blake has got to learn to pin point pass now on solid route running, and encourage him to improvise with his feet, he is a big man, if we need 3 yards his legs should the second option. Typical Jags though, not using players correctly and relying on past success. That's why we fix one thing another issue comes up, we have never constantly changed to keep teams off balance. Throwing it up for Robinson grabs worked last year, so we expected it to work this year. Well it might if it wasn't tried on every 3rd down for Christ's sake. The other teams are not stupid. They watched our tendencies. I cannot say the same for our staff, we are always out coached.

Watching Blake get pissed at Joekel tells me something is wrong with the offense and they all know it's not working. So they try to force it and it's not working there either. They want this pass blocking oline but want to use them to smash the football with the run. This is not a run blocking line. So why force a square peg into a round hole. It's the same thing on defense with that awful scheme.