(04-22-2021, 07:44 AM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2021, 05:48 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]He also said he had trouble with the idea of value over need. The move to hire the guy and make him the coach and GM still makes no sense at all to me.
Coach and GM?
NH3...
I know Baalke is the "GM", but Khan seemed to indicate that Meyer would be the one with the actual decision making authority, so that makes Baalke a glorified advisor and Meyer the real GM. Am I misremembering that?
(04-22-2021, 07:50 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2021, 07:44 AM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]Coach and GM?
NH3...
I know Baalke is the "GM", but Khan seemed to indicate that Meyer would be the one with the actual decision making authority, so that makes Baalke a glorified advisor and Meyer the real GM. Am I misremembering that?
Did you watch the press conference though? Meyer said he is trusting Baalke and the scouts on these players and value over need. So it won't be all on Meyer as he he said his scouting used to be based on need but he is learning value over need.
I think Meyer will have the final decision on player selection but Baalke and the scouts will have a big impact on the board and the selection. A collective group effort imo. If Meyer wants player A, and Baalke and the scouts agree that player B will be the best because of better value, I think Meyer will go with their opinion and take player B
(04-22-2021, 08:00 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2021, 07:50 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]I know Baalke is the "GM", but Khan seemed to indicate that Meyer would be the one with the actual decision making authority, so that makes Baalke a glorified advisor and Meyer the real GM. Am I misremembering that?
Did you watch the press conference though? Meyer said he is trusting Baalke and the scouts on these players and value over need. So it won't be all on Meyer as he he said his scouting used to be based on need but he is learning value over need.
I think Meyer will have the final decision on player selection but Baalke and the scouts will have a big impact on the board and the selection. A collective group effort imo. If Meyer wants player A, and Baalke and the scouts agree that player B will be the best because of better value, I think Meyer will go with their opinion and take player B
I did watch it. Nothing in it refutes that Meyer is the real GM, right?
(04-22-2021, 08:06 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2021, 08:00 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Did you watch the press conference though? Meyer said he is trusting Baalke and the scouts on these players and value over need. So it won't be all on Meyer as he he said his scouting used to be based on need but he is learning value over need.
I think Meyer will have the final decision on player selection but Baalke and the scouts will have a big impact on the board and the selection. A collective group effort imo. If Meyer wants player A, and Baalke and the scouts agree that player B will be the best because of better value, I think Meyer will go with their opinion and take player B
I did watch it. Nothing in it refutes that Meyer is the real GM, right?
He said in the press conference that he is going to trust Baalke and the scouts. Therefore is isn't going to make selections based on just who he likes. Pretty much what you were stating
(04-22-2021, 08:00 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2021, 07:50 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]I know Baalke is the "GM", but Khan seemed to indicate that Meyer would be the one with the actual decision making authority, so that makes Baalke a glorified advisor and Meyer the real GM. Am I misremembering that?
Did you watch the press conference though? Meyer said he is trusting Baalke and the scouts on these players and value over need. So it won't be all on Meyer as he he said his scouting used to be based on need but he is learning value over need.
I think Meyer will have the final decision on player selection but Baalke and the scouts will have a big impact on the board and the selection. A collective group effort imo. If Meyer wants player A, and Baalke and the scouts agree that player B will be the best because of better value, I think Meyer will go with their opinion and take player B
Meyer is going about this the smart way. He knows the college way to get players via recruiting, which will work great in future free agencies. He doesn't know the draft where often value will out weight need. He is a smart guy, he will figure it out.
(04-22-2021, 08:11 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2021, 08:00 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Did you watch the press conference though? Meyer said he is trusting Baalke and the scouts on these players and value over need. So it won't be all on Meyer as he he said his scouting used to be based on need but he is learning value over need.
I think Meyer will have the final decision on player selection but Baalke and the scouts will have a big impact on the board and the selection. A collective group effort imo. If Meyer wants player A, and Baalke and the scouts agree that player B will be the best because of better value, I think Meyer will go with their opinion and take player B
Meyer is going about this the smart way. He knows the college way to get players via recruiting, which will work great in future free agencies. He doesn't know the draft where often value will out weight need. He is a smart guy, he will figure it out.
Exactly, I like that he isn't being hard headed about it and he's keeping an open mind and trusting the people around him
(04-22-2021, 08:08 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2021, 08:06 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]I did watch it. Nothing in it refutes that Meyer is the real GM, right?
He said in the press conference that he is going to trust Baalke and the scouts. Therefore is isn't going to make selections based on just who he likes. Pretty much what you were stating
I didn't say that, I said that he said in the press conference that he was having trouble with the idea of value over need. It's yet to be seen if he'll go for value and eschew need. In fact it'll probably take at least a couple of years before we have a good idea of which way he's actually going.
Keep on mind we've heard the value over need line from everyone, then we watched them take Fowler or fournette.
(04-22-2021, 08:00 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2021, 07:50 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]I know Baalke is the "GM", but Khan seemed to indicate that Meyer would be the one with the actual decision making authority, so that makes Baalke a glorified advisor and Meyer the real GM. Am I misremembering that?
Did you watch the press conference though? Meyer said he is trusting Baalke and the scouts on these players and value over need. So it won't be all on Meyer as he he said his scouting used to be based on need but he is learning value over need.
I think Meyer will have the final decision on player selection but Baalke and the scouts will have a big impact on the board and the selection. A collective group effort imo. If Meyer wants player A, and Baalke and the scouts agree that player B will be the best because of better value, I think Meyer will go with their opinion and take player B
0% chance that happens.
Meyer is the alpha dog. He respects and values their opinions but at the end of the day, this is his roster and his team. He will have final say on every single player in this draft.
(04-22-2021, 08:21 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2021, 08:00 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Did you watch the press conference though? Meyer said he is trusting Baalke and the scouts on these players and value over need. So it won't be all on Meyer as he he said his scouting used to be based on need but he is learning value over need.
I think Meyer will have the final decision on player selection but Baalke and the scouts will have a big impact on the board and the selection. A collective group effort imo. If Meyer wants player A, and Baalke and the scouts agree that player B will be the best because of better value, I think Meyer will go with their opinion and take player B
0% chance that happens.
Meyer is the alpha dog. He respects and values their opinions but at the end of the day, this is his roster and his team. He will have final say on every single player in this draft.
You just said exactly what I said lol. Read the first sentence of that paragraph, "Meyer will have the final decision on the player selection"
(04-22-2021, 08:21 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2021, 08:00 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Did you watch the press conference though? Meyer said he is trusting Baalke and the scouts on these players and value over need. So it won't be all on Meyer as he he said his scouting used to be based on need but he is learning value over need.
I think Meyer will have the final decision on player selection but Baalke and the scouts will have a big impact on the board and the selection. A collective group effort imo. If Meyer wants player A, and Baalke and the scouts agree that player B will be the best because of better value, I think Meyer will go with their opinion and take player B
0% chance that happens.
Meyer is the alpha dog. He respects and values their opinions but at the end of the day, this is his roster and his team. He will have final say on every single player in this draft.
The board will be set come draft day, something you didn't think teams did anymore lol. So there shouldn't be any disagreement on draft day for the most part. Trust the board and take the top guy is what they will do
(04-21-2021, 02:38 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Baalke is mentally challenged.. he has no business being involved in anything money or contract related..
I don't think humor is his forte.
(04-21-2021, 03:12 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]This unfounded trust in the worst offensive line coach in the leagues ability to improve the worst OT tandem in the league is going to be Meyer's undoing.
Definitely pencil in IDL or EDGE at 25/33. Hell I wouldn't hate both, something like Barmore 25 and then Oweh/Ossai at 33 would be dope.
That's the impression I got. Urban told Baalke to assemble him a top 5 D-line pronto based on his presser comment, "how good is your team? how good is your D-line?"
(04-22-2021, 10:30 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2021, 08:21 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]0% chance that happens.
Meyer is the alpha dog. He respects and values their opinions but at the end of the day, this is his roster and his team. He will have final say on every single player in this draft.
The board will be set come draft day, something you didn't think teams did anymore lol. So there shouldn't be any disagreement on draft day for the most part. Trust the board and take the top guy is what they will do
You said if Baalke and everyone else likes player B but Meyer likes player A, they will go with B. I disagree. Urban loves to have control and if he thinks player A is best, he is going to draft them regardless of what the room thinks.
And your point about draft boards is correct. I don't think many teams are ranking players 1-300 or whatever. That's extremely old school. I think smart teams are putting players into tiers and using a multitude of resources instead of just your old school rankings.
It's literally never as easy as taking the top player on your board and you've even said as much. If the Jags take Harris at 25 and then Etienne is the top player on their board at 33, you want Etienne? It's not going to happen. Be fluid on draft day and take value when it's clear.
(04-22-2021, 11:40 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2021, 10:30 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]The board will be set come draft day, something you didn't think teams did anymore lol. So there shouldn't be any disagreement on draft day for the most part. Trust the board and take the top guy is what they will do
You said if Baalke and everyone else likes player B but Meyer likes player A, they will go with B. I disagree. Urban loves to have control and if he thinks player A is best, he is going to draft them regardless of what the room thinks.
And your point about draft boards is correct. I don't think many teams are ranking players 1-300 or whatever. That's extremely old school. I think smart teams are putting players into tiers and using a multitude of resources instead of just your old school rankings.
It's literally never as easy as taking the top player on your board and you've even said as much. If the Jags take Harris at 25 and then Etienne is the top player on their board at 33, you want Etienne? It's not going to happen. Be fluid on draft day and take value when it's clear.
I think he is saying Urban will trust his staff/scouts and make the pick based on their recommendation.
(04-22-2021, 11:55 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2021, 11:40 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]You said if Baalke and everyone else likes player B but Meyer likes player A, they will go with B. I disagree. Urban loves to have control and if he thinks player A is best, he is going to draft them regardless of what the room thinks.
And your point about draft boards is correct. I don't think many teams are ranking players 1-300 or whatever. That's extremely old school. I think smart teams are putting players into tiers and using a multitude of resources instead of just your old school rankings.
It's literally never as easy as taking the top player on your board and you've even said as much. If the Jags take Harris at 25 and then Etienne is the top player on their board at 33, you want Etienne? It's not going to happen. Be fluid on draft day and take value when it's clear.
I think he is saying Urban will trust his staff/scouts and make the pick based on their recommendation.
Sure.
But if there is a disagreement about who they should select, Urban will do what HE wants. If Urban wants one guy and everyone else wants another one, he is going to select his guy.
That's just a guess but Urban was hired to be the decision maker here and I don't think he's going to sway much on who he wants.
(04-22-2021, 11:40 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2021, 10:30 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]The board will be set come draft day, something you didn't think teams did anymore lol. So there shouldn't be any disagreement on draft day for the most part. Trust the board and take the top guy is what they will do
You said if Baalke and everyone else likes player B but Meyer likes player A, they will go with B. I disagree. Urban loves to have control and if he thinks player A is best, he is going to draft them regardless of what the room thinks.
And your point about draft boards is correct. I don't think many teams are ranking players 1-300 or whatever. That's extremely old school. I think smart teams are putting players into tiers and using a multitude of resources instead of just your old school rankings.
It's literally never as easy as taking the top player on your board and you've even said as much. If the Jags take Harris at 25 and then Etienne is the top player on their board at 33, you want Etienne? It's not going to happen. Be fluid on draft day and take value when it's clear.
You have to use a little common sense, if we take Etienne or Harris at 25 which I highly doubt, they would have RBs on the board after the pick. The board will be set, so whoever player A is that he thinks is the best, will be the guy at the top of the board. Taking your top guy is the right way to build a team and let the draft come to you instead of reaching for need, which is exactly what Meyer and Baalke have been saying and it's good to finally hear
(04-22-2021, 11:59 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2021, 11:55 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]I think he is saying Urban will trust his staff/scouts and make the pick based on their recommendation.
Sure.
But if there is a disagreement about who they should select, Urban will do what HE wants. If Urban wants one guy and everyone else wants another one, he is going to select his guy.
That's just a guess but Urban was hired to be the decision maker here and I don't think he's going to sway much on who he wants.
Urban has been very open minded so far and has stated a number of times he is leaning on Baalke and his coaches for different things and that he will trust the scouts. Unless you just think he is a liar and he doesn't give a [BLEEP] what Baalke, the scouts, and the coaches think. It will be a team effort in making the board and then follow and trust your board
(04-22-2021, 11:59 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2021, 11:55 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]I think he is saying Urban will trust his staff/scouts and make the pick based on their recommendation.
Sure.
But if there is a disagreement about who they should select, Urban will do what HE wants. If Urban wants one guy and everyone else wants another one, he is going to select his guy.
That's just a guess but Urban was hired to be the decision maker here and I don't think he's going to sway much on who he wants.
I think any disagreements like that will be settled prior to the draft. I think for at least one draft, Urb will defer a little bit to the consensus, if there is a consensus that disagrees with him. But if they draft that player and he is a disappointment, then in the 2022 draft Urb will be much more assertive.
That's the way I see it playing out. I don't think it will be like "Oh, my God, it's pick #45 and we disagree on whom to pick." No, that will all be worked out before the draft starts.
(04-23-2021, 05:34 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2021, 11:59 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Sure.
But if there is a disagreement about who they should select, Urban will do what HE wants. If Urban wants one guy and everyone else wants another one, he is going to select his guy.
That's just a guess but Urban was hired to be the decision maker here and I don't think he's going to sway much on who he wants.
I think any disagreements like that will be settled prior to the draft. I think for at least one draft, Urb will defer a little bit to the consensus, if there is a consensus that disagrees with him. But if they draft that player and he is a disappointment, then in the 2022 draft Urb will be much more assertive.
That's the way I see it playing out. I don't think it will be like "Oh, my God, it's pick #45 and we disagree on whom to pick." No, that will all be worked out before the draft starts.
I feel the same way. Until Meyer has examples where he was right and everyone else was wrong, I can't see him just blowing off a unanimous take by his team.