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(05-04-2021, 05:41 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Health pending, I think it'll be Cisco at FS and Jenkins at SS.

Even though Jenkins has his detractors, that combo would be better than last year's for sure.

(05-04-2021, 08:08 PM)anonymous2112 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-04-2021, 04:50 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ]Jalen Camp beats out DJ Chark
Josh Imatorbhebhe beats out Marvin Jones

While I don't quite agree with the results, I actually think the WR battle will be intriguing.

We will realistically keep maybe 6 of these guys?  I think Chark and Shenault are safe, but I wanna see how the rest of it shakes out.  I wouldn't be surprised if Marvin Jones doesn't make the final 53.

I think five are very safe -- Chark, Shenault, Jones, Johnson and Agnew.  The only competition is the last spot which will be Dorsett versus Camp versus all of the "unknowns".

(05-04-2021, 08:15 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-04-2021, 05:41 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Health pending, I think it'll be Cisco at FS and Jenkins at SS.

Even though Jenkins has his detractors, that combo would be better than last year's for sure.

Almost anything would be better than the garbage Safeties we had out there last season. That was a disaster.

(05-04-2021, 08:15 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-04-2021, 05:41 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Health pending, I think it'll be Cisco at FS and Jenkins at SS.

Even though Jenkins has his detractors, that combo would be better than last year's for sure.

I think Wilson and Jenkins are pretty equal talent wise, but I think Wilson is more of an SS and Jenkins is more versatile...as he played about an even amount of snaps for the Chargers at FS, SS, and nickel and graded out pretty evenly at all 3 too (not great, but serviceable across the board). I made several posts about how I hoped the team envisions Jenkins to play this en vogue 3rd safety/dimeback, and I think that if this team gets creative he can be just that.

Cisco FS, Wilson SS, Jenkins dimeback would be pretty decent I think.

Wilson made his mark first as a really good special teamer. I would be surprised if he is let go.

I think he allows you to keep 3 or 4 active safeties on game day. He can play both spots at a backup/ spot starter level and contributes to special teams. I think that is difficult to cut outright.

(05-04-2021, 08:08 PM)anonymous2112 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-04-2021, 04:50 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ]Jalen Camp beats out DJ Chark
Josh Imatorbhebhe beats out Marvin Jones

While I don't quite agree with the results, I actually think the WR battle will be intriguing.

We will realistically keep maybe 6 of these guys?  I think Chark and Shenault are safe, but I wanna see how the rest of it shakes out.  I wouldn't be surprised if Marvin Jones doesn't make the final 53.

So you think it's possible/likely that the Jags signed Jones and guaranteed him 9.5 million dollars - only to cut him before the season starts? There is absolutely no way that Marvin Jones does not make the 53 man roster.....

(05-05-2021, 01:50 PM)Dewboy01 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-04-2021, 08:08 PM)anonymous2112 Wrote: [ -> ]While I don't quite agree with the results, I actually think the WR battle will be intriguing.

We will realistically keep maybe 6 of these guys?  I think Chark and Shenault are safe, but I wanna see how the rest of it shakes out.  I wouldn't be surprised if Marvin Jones doesn't make the final 53.

So you think it's possible/likely that the Jags signed Jones and guaranteed him 9.5 million dollars - only to cut him before the season starts? There is absolutely no way that Marvin Jones does not make the 53 man roster.....

If Jones is not one of the 6 best receivers on the team, I would hope we'd have learned enough by now that he wouldn't make the roster.  I don't think he'll go the Torry Holt route, but that isn't guaranteed.  I'll stand on what I wrote, that Chark and Shenault are the closest to locks to make the WR roster.  Jones, Collin Johnson, and Camp would be next, but not guarantees.

(05-05-2021, 02:16 PM)anonymous2112 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-05-2021, 01:50 PM)Dewboy01 Wrote: [ -> ]So you think it's possible/likely that the Jags signed Jones and guaranteed him 9.5 million dollars - only to cut him before the season starts? There is absolutely no way that Marvin Jones does not make the 53 man roster.....

If Jones is not one of the 6 best receivers on the team, I would hope we'd have learned enough by now that he wouldn't make the roster.  I don't think he'll go the Torry Holt route, but that isn't guaranteed.  I'll stand on what I wrote, that Chark and Shenault are the closest to locks to make the WR roster.  Jones, Collin Johnson, and Camp would be next, but not guarantees.

Chark, Shenault, Jones, and Agnew (ST/WR) are locks.  Collin Johnson had some success last season, has red-zone height but lacks speed that UM covets; he's likely but not a lock.  I see a final spot battle between Dorsett, Camp, and Jon'vea Johnson.  Godwin, Hammond, Imator, and Tim Jones are hoping to land on the practice squad or the tractor.

(05-04-2021, 08:43 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-04-2021, 08:08 PM)anonymous2112 Wrote: [ -> ]While I don't quite agree with the results, I actually think the WR battle will be intriguing.

We will realistically keep maybe 6 of these guys?  I think Chark and Shenault are safe, but I wanna see how the rest of it shakes out.  I wouldn't be surprised if Marvin Jones doesn't make the final 53.

I think five are very safe -- Chark, Shenault, Jones, Johnson and Agnew.  The only competition is the last spot which will be Dorsett versus Camp versus all of the "unknowns".

Regarding roster logistics, an added value of Jamal Agnew is he can probably free up an overall Roster Spot and Game Day roster spot.  Agnew has the versatility to handle a few rushing carries ( in addition to gadget plays ) if necessary and was a Nickel CB until being converted full time to Offense, in 2020.   He's also a quick learner.

(05-05-2021, 02:16 PM)anonymous2112 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-05-2021, 01:50 PM)Dewboy01 Wrote: [ -> ]So you think it's possible/likely that the Jags signed Jones and guaranteed him 9.5 million dollars - only to cut him before the season starts? There is absolutely no way that Marvin Jones does not make the 53 man roster.....

If Jones is not one of the 6 best receivers on the team, I would hope we'd have learned enough by now that he wouldn't make the roster.  I don't think he'll go the Torry Holt route, but that isn't guaranteed.  I'll stand on what I wrote, that Chark and Shenault are the closest to locks to make the WR roster.  Jones, Collin Johnson, and Camp would be next, but not guarantees.

You don't spend that kind of guaranteed money to a WR unless you're 100% sure he's making the roster.

(05-05-2021, 06:57 PM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-05-2021, 02:16 PM)anonymous2112 Wrote: [ -> ]If Jones is not one of the 6 best receivers on the team, I would hope we'd have learned enough by now that he wouldn't make the roster.  I don't think he'll go the Torry Holt route, but that isn't guaranteed.  I'll stand on what I wrote, that Chark and Shenault are the closest to locks to make the WR roster.  Jones, Collin Johnson, and Camp would be next, but not guarantees.

You don't spend that kind of guaranteed money to a WR unless you're 100% sure he's making the roster.

The added value of Marvin Jones' leadership and familiarity/ confidence in Darrell Bevell as an NFL Offensive Coordinator is very likely a key reason why the Jaguars were proactive in getting him signed.  Marvin Jones seems like a great fit for Trevor Lawrence in the early part of the QBs NFL career.

Urban has said that Trevor will have to "earn" the starting job. That made me laugh.

https://twitter.com/Jaguars/status/1390078857936580611

I do believe that if Urban feels like Trevor is ready enough to start, he will start. Even more so because they drafted him #1 overall and because of the talent that people project he will be. I do think that Urban may have made these comments for at least a couple of reasons. It could be due backlash he has received due to some of the decisions he's made like considering bringing on Tebow. Maybe a response to some of the draft picks he's made, where some people think he's doing stuff for friends, instead of what may be in the best interest of the team. I think he may be trying to show he's doing his due diligence and will welcome a "fair" competition for all spots on the team including the starting QB spot.

I don't think he's going to take a hard, and what I would call obnoxious stance that some coaches tend to take with their first round picks after they draft them. QB's that could start right away, (and are/could be the best on their team) but their coaches want to take a hard line approach with them for some reason. We've seen some of that in the past. I just think Urban wants to look like he's being fair and doing his due diligence and that may be playing a role in these comments.

And it could also reflect the team's current feelings on Gardner. They haven't traded him yet and I do think that Urban likes him. Maybe quite a bit and he wouldn't mind seeing some competition going on between him and Trevor (and to add some spark to things), before he names Trevor the starter. Unless they move Gardner before camp and have a competition for the starting spot between Trevor, CJ and Jake Luton lol.

(05-04-2021, 04:50 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ]Jalen Camp beats out DJ Chark
Josh Imatorbhebhe beats out Marvin Jones

LOL brother. Marvin Jones is either our best or second best WR instantly upon arrival. What are you smoking?

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(05-05-2021, 06:57 PM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-05-2021, 02:16 PM)anonymous2112 Wrote: [ -> ]If Jones is not one of the 6 best receivers on the team, I would hope we'd have learned enough by now that he wouldn't make the roster.  I don't think he'll go the Torry Holt route, but that isn't guaranteed.  I'll stand on what I wrote, that Chark and Shenault are the closest to locks to make the WR roster.  Jones, Collin Johnson, and Camp would be next, but not guarantees.

You don't spend that kind of guaranteed money to a WR unless you're 100% sure he's making the roster.

Not only that, you also don't cut your best/2nd best WR before he even plays for you lmao.

(05-04-2021, 01:06 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]The only one I care about is if Walker Little can beat out one of our OT's for the starting job. If he can't, I'm gonna be super depressed.

I would not be surprised to see Little start the season on the bench and then push for a spot as the season goes on.  He hasn't played in awhile so going to take some time to really get up to speed.

(05-05-2021, 08:44 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-04-2021, 01:06 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]The only one I care about is if Walker Little can beat out one of our OT's for the starting job. If he can't, I'm gonna be super depressed.

I would not be surprised to see Little start the season on the bench and then push for a spot as the season goes on.  He hasn't played in awhile so going to take some time to really get up to speed.

Agreed completely.

To see him start before then would exceed all reasonable expectations under the circumstances.

Now if he DOES and performs up to it, I will be thrilled beyond measure.

But I think they bring him along slowly, and I think it'll take a bad game or two from one of the starters to bring him off the bench.

(05-05-2021, 02:45 PM)ATLjag Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-05-2021, 02:16 PM)anonymous2112 Wrote: [ -> ]If Jones is not one of the 6 best receivers on the team, I would hope we'd have learned enough by now that he wouldn't make the roster.  I don't think he'll go the Torry Holt route, but that isn't guaranteed.  I'll stand on what I wrote, that Chark and Shenault are the closest to locks to make the WR roster.  Jones, Collin Johnson, and Camp would be next, but not guarantees.

Chark, Shenault, Jones, and Agnew (ST/WR) are locks.  Collin Johnson had some success last season, has red-zone height but lacks speed that UM covets; he's likely but not a lock.  I see a final spot battle between Dorsett, Camp, and Jon'vea Johnson.  Godwin, Hammond, Imator, and Tim Jones are hoping to land on the practice squad or the tractor.

Pretty much my thoughts as well as far as the WR room goes. Those four are definitely locks. I think Collin has shown enough flashes to stick around as the 4th WR in the line up. Agnew doing most of his work on ST.

The real battle will be for that 6th spot. Maybe they only keep 5, but I think Camp provides the measurables you want to keep as a 6th WR and try to develop. I think he'd get snagged off the PS eventually, just like Allen Lazard did a couple seasons back.

Dorsett doesn't do much for me. We all know what his game is and it's nothing special.

Can't say I know much about Jon'vea Johnson, but the WR coach loves him or something along those lines. I think him and Godwin find themselves on the PS.

(05-05-2021, 09:00 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-05-2021, 08:44 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]I would not be surprised to see Little start the season on the bench and then push for a spot as the season goes on.  He hasn't played in awhile so going to take some time to really get up to speed.

Agreed completely.

To see him start before then would exceed all reasonable expectations under the circumstances.

Now if he DOES and performs up to it, I will be thrilled beyond measure.

But I think they bring him along slowly, and I think it'll take a bad game or two from one of the starters to bring him off the bench.

While I wouldn't have drafted him due to lack of recent game film on the guy, that does not mean I want him to fail. I hope he is a great player. I just don't know, because of a lack of information, but I want desperately for him to succeed. I just want him to be good. He doesn't have to be Tony Boselli, but if he can just be reliable, that would be a huge upgrade. If he beats either incumbent starter, I will be elated!

So that means he will probably be a starter by no later than week 3.

(05-05-2021, 10:19 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-05-2021, 09:00 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed completely.

To see him start before then would exceed all reasonable expectations under the circumstances.

Now if he DOES and performs up to it, I will be thrilled beyond measure.

But I think they bring him along slowly, and I think it'll take a bad game or two from one of the starters to bring him off the bench.

While I wouldn't have drafted him due to lack of recent game film on the guy, that does not mean I want him to fail. I hope he is a great player. I just don't know, because of a lack of information, but I want desperately for him to succeed. I just want him to be good. He doesn't have to be Tony Boselli, but if he can just be reliable, that would be a huge upgrade. If he beats either incumbent starter, I will be elated!

So that means he will probably be a starter by no later than week 3.

Understandable take and pretty much agreed, though I would have drafted him, especially if I had missed out on T earlier.  In fact, I would not have objected to Jenkins at 25 or 33 and Little at 45.

But even with the risks associated with drafting him, he's here and I welcome him, and like you desperately want him to succeed.  I think he can fall somewhere between first year Khalif Barnes and Boselli, in which case, most Jaguars fans would be quite happy.  If he could be Ben Coleman when he played LT, I'd be thrilled.

I'm not sure how long it will take for UM to reach his wit's end with the starters and bring in Little.

(05-05-2021, 10:19 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-05-2021, 09:00 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed completely.

To see him start before then would exceed all reasonable expectations under the circumstances.

Now if he DOES and performs up to it, I will be thrilled beyond measure.

But I think they bring him along slowly, and I think it'll take a bad game or two from one of the starters to bring him off the bench.

While I wouldn't have drafted him due to lack of recent game film on the guy, that does not mean I want him to fail. I hope he is a great player. I just don't know, because of a lack of information, but I want desperately for him to succeed. I just want him to be good. He doesn't have to be Tony Boselli, but if he can just be reliable, that would be a huge upgrade. If he beats either incumbent starter, I will be elated!

So that means he will probably be a starter by no later than week 3.

Urban Meyer drafted Little out of high school as a 5 star recruit. Urban knows more than Rich Eisen hopefully!

I don’t want to see Wilson out there on defense at all. I’ve seen enough.

I think Little can start. It’s his if he wants it enough. However I think it will be LG.