(05-16-2021, 09:58 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (05-16-2021, 05:58 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]That is a very accurate description.
Agreed. I just wonder how much of a chance he will get with Chark, Jones and Shenault ahead of him, not to mention Etienne lining up at WR on some plays? I liked what i saw from Johnson last season. There is always a place for a big, redzone target with good hands.
I was expecting Johnson to run somewhere in the 4.57 to 4.70 range. Remember, Jerry Rice ran a 4.71/40, so speed isn't everything.
I wonder what the depth chart will be going into camp.
Presumably, it will be something like:
Chark
Shenault
Jones
and then Johnson, Etienne, Dorsett and the rest filling in the rear.
But someone raised a point earlier about Etienne vis-a-vis Shenault. It seems Etienne will be utilized in many of the same ways that Shenault was used last year. While it's entirely possible Meyer simply wants more playmakers, it does raise the question of why you should have two guys dong essentially the same thing instead of having 5-6 guys to complement each other. Who knows what UM, Baalke and Lal concluded after reviewing the tape.
As for Rice's speed, I had always heard he ran in the 4.6 range, but your larger point about speed not being everything still stands. Wilford could be timed with the OL & DL and might finish in the middle of the pack of the DL, but he wound up being better than faster and higher drafted Reggie Williams and Matt Jones.
But I reiterate that I hope Jimmy Smith is right about Collin Johnson and I hope he gets his shot to thrive in this offense if Smith is right. While I believe in emphasizing skill players early, it is important to bolster the trenches next year. Even assuming Walker Little starts this year and upgrades one of the T positions, contracts are expiring, players are aging, and some just flat out need to be replaced, and there's depth needed, and this is just on the O-Line.
I thought Shenault was used terribly last year. There were so many opportunities for us to get creative with where he lined up and Gruden failed spectacularly. When he did try to mix him in at other spots, his play calls were so "vanilla" they could see the play coming a mile away. I hope Bevell does a better job than Gruden did, although I'm expecting a ton of bubble screens. Bevell used them a lot during his time in Seattle and they rarely worked.
I googled Rice's Pro Day 40 time and it comes up he ran a 4.71/40. That's what comes up. He certainly wasn't fast, but he did look quicker than that during his heyday.
Amen! That is why I was so surprised we only brought in one O-Lineman in the draft and no UDFA O-Linemen.
(05-17-2021, 01:05 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (05-16-2021, 09:58 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder what the depth chart will be going into camp.
Presumably, it will be something like:
Chark
Shenault
Jones
and then Johnson, Etienne, Dorsett and the rest filling in the rear.
But someone raised a point earlier about Etienne vis-a-vis Shenault. It seems Etienne will be utilized in many of the same ways that Shenault was used last year. While it's entirely possible Meyer simply wants more playmakers, it does raise the question of why you should have two guys dong essentially the same thing instead of having 5-6 guys to complement each other. Who knows what UM, Baalke and Lal concluded after reviewing the tape.
As for Rice's speed, I had always heard he ran in the 4.6 range, but your larger point about speed not being everything still stands. Wilford could be timed with the OL & DL and might finish in the middle of the pack of the DL, but he wound up being better than faster and higher drafted Reggie Williams and Matt Jones.
But I reiterate that I hope Jimmy Smith is right about Collin Johnson and I hope he gets his shot to thrive in this offense if Smith is right. While I believe in emphasizing skill players early, it is important to bolster the trenches next year. Even assuming Walker Little starts this year and upgrades one of the T positions, contracts are expiring, players are aging, and some just flat out need to be replaced, and there's depth needed, and this is just on the O-Line.
I thought Shenault was used terribly last year. There were so many opportunities for us to get creative with where he lined up and Gruden failed spectacularly. When he did try to mix him in at other spots, his play calls were so "vanilla" they could see the play coming a mile away. I hope Bevell does a better job than Gruden did, although I'm expecting a ton of bubble screens. Bevell used them a lot during his time in Seattle and they rarely worked.
I googled Rice's Pro Day 40 time and it comes up he ran a 4.71/40. That's what comes up. He certainly wasn't fast, but he did look quicker than that during his heyday.
Amen! That is why I was so surprised we only brought in one O-Lineman in the draft and no UDFA O-Linemen.
They also brought in Austen Pleasants for OL, who is a first year player.
(05-17-2021, 01:18 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ] (05-17-2021, 01:05 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I thought Shenault was used terribly last year. There were so many opportunities for us to get creative with where he lined up and Gruden failed spectacularly. When he did try to mix him in at other spots, his play calls were so "vanilla" they could see the play coming a mile away. I hope Bevell does a better job than Gruden did, although I'm expecting a ton of bubble screens. Bevell used them a lot during his time in Seattle and they rarely worked.
I googled Rice's Pro Day 40 time and it comes up he ran a 4.71/40. That's what comes up. He certainly wasn't fast, but he did look quicker than that during his heyday.
Amen! That is why I was so surprised we only brought in one O-Lineman in the draft and no UDFA O-Linemen.
They also brought in Austen Pleasants for OL, who is a first year player.
He spent time on our practice squad last year, so he's more of a hold over.
(05-17-2021, 01:05 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (05-16-2021, 09:58 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder what the depth chart will be going into camp.
Presumably, it will be something like:
Chark
Shenault
Jones
and then Johnson, Etienne, Dorsett and the rest filling in the rear.
But someone raised a point earlier about Etienne vis-a-vis Shenault. It seems Etienne will be utilized in many of the same ways that Shenault was used last year. While it's entirely possible Meyer simply wants more playmakers, it does raise the question of why you should have two guys dong essentially the same thing instead of having 5-6 guys to complement each other. Who knows what UM, Baalke and Lal concluded after reviewing the tape.
As for Rice's speed, I had always heard he ran in the 4.6 range, but your larger point about speed not being everything still stands. Wilford could be timed with the OL & DL and might finish in the middle of the pack of the DL, but he wound up being better than faster and higher drafted Reggie Williams and Matt Jones.
But I reiterate that I hope Jimmy Smith is right about Collin Johnson and I hope he gets his shot to thrive in this offense if Smith is right. While I believe in emphasizing skill players early, it is important to bolster the trenches next year. Even assuming Walker Little starts this year and upgrades one of the T positions, contracts are expiring, players are aging, and some just flat out need to be replaced, and there's depth needed, and this is just on the O-Line.
I thought Shenault was used terribly last year. There were so many opportunities for us to get creative with where he lined up and Gruden failed spectacularly. When he did try to mix him in at other spots, his play calls were so "vanilla" they could see the play coming a mile away. I hope Bevell does a better job than Gruden did, although I'm expecting a ton of bubble screens. Bevell used them a lot during his time in Seattle and they rarely worked.
I googled Rice's Pro Day 40 time and it comes up he ran a 4.71/40. That's what comes up. He certainly wasn't fast, but he did look quicker than that during his heyday.
Amen! That is why I was so surprised we only brought in one O-Lineman in the draft and no UDFA O-Linemen.
Johnson is running faster than 4.7.. He's absolutely running high 4.4s, or low 4.5s for sure.
(05-17-2021, 02:41 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-17-2021, 01:05 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I thought Shenault was used terribly last year. There were so many opportunities for us to get creative with where he lined up and Gruden failed spectacularly. When he did try to mix him in at other spots, his play calls were so "vanilla" they could see the play coming a mile away. I hope Bevell does a better job than Gruden did, although I'm expecting a ton of bubble screens. Bevell used them a lot during his time in Seattle and they rarely worked.
I googled Rice's Pro Day 40 time and it comes up he ran a 4.71/40. That's what comes up. He certainly wasn't fast, but he did look quicker than that during his heyday.
Amen! That is why I was so surprised we only brought in one O-Lineman in the draft and no UDFA O-Linemen.
Johnson is running faster than 4.7.. He's absolutely running high 4.4s, or low 4.5s for sure.
There's absolutely no way. His speed was one of the major knocks on him, going into the Combine. If he ran that fast, with his combination of size and strength, he would have gone much higher than round 5.
(05-16-2021, 04:19 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I hope he is right about Johnson. The biggest hurdle he has is the lack of speed. He never ran the 40 at the Combine due to injury and then his Pro Day got cancelled, so his speed is unknown, but he certainly wasn't a "burner" in college. He was more of the possession receiver type. He used his size, physicality and excellent body control to make plays. I think he has a bright future in that role, but I've been a big Chark fan since he was at LSU. He has size, speed and big play making ability. If he can shake off some nagging injuries that have made him miss a few games, I believe he will quickly become Lawrence's favorite target.
Ernest Wilford ran a 4.81 -- I see Johnson as a slightly faster Wilford who should benefit from having TL throwing him the ball so hopefully he can take advantage of his length.
(05-16-2021, 09:58 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (05-16-2021, 05:58 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]That is a very accurate description.
Agreed. I just wonder how much of a chance he will get with Chark, Jones and Shenault ahead of him, not to mention Etienne lining up at WR on some plays? I liked what i saw from Johnson last season. There is always a place for a big, redzone target with good hands.
I was expecting Johnson to run somewhere in the 4.57 to 4.70 range. Remember, Jerry Rice ran a 4.71/40, so speed isn't everything.
I wonder what the depth chart will be going into camp.
Presumably, it will be something like:
Chark
Shenault
Jones
and then Johnson, Etienne, Dorsett and the rest filling in the rear.
But someone raised a point earlier about Etienne vis-a-vis Shenault. It seems Etienne will be utilized in many of the same ways that Shenault was used last year. While it's entirely possible Meyer simply wants more playmakers, it does raise the question of why you should have two guys dong essentially the same thing instead of having 5-6 guys to complement each other. Who knows what UM, Baalke and Lal concluded after reviewing the tape.
As for Rice's speed, I had always heard he ran in the 4.6 range, but your larger point about speed not being everything still stands. Wilford could be timed with the OL & DL and might finish in the middle of the pack of the DL, but he wound up being better than faster and higher drafted Reggie Williams and Matt Jones.
But I reiterate that I hope Jimmy Smith is right about Collin Johnson and I hope he gets his shot to thrive in this offense if Smith is right. While I believe in emphasizing skill players early, it is important to bolster the trenches next year. Even assuming Walker Little starts this year and upgrades one of the T positions, contracts are expiring, players are aging, and some just flat out need to be replaced, and there's depth needed, and this is just on the O-Line.
WR3 is there if Johnson wants it. If not Jones will hold it down.
(05-17-2021, 07:25 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (05-17-2021, 02:41 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Johnson is running faster than 4.7.. He's absolutely running high 4.4s, or low 4.5s for sure.
There's absolutely no way. His speed was one of the major knocks on him, going into the Combine. If he ran that fast, with his combination of size and strength, he would have gone much higher than round 5.
Injuries are what knocked him down the draft board.
Here's this to try and get some what of a picture on Johnson's speed. Keep in mind, Dorsett ran 4.33 at the combine. Godwin ran 4.55. Griffin ran 4.38 and Johnson ran 4.4 at his Pro Day.
https://twitter.com/Demetrius82/status/1...62/photo/1
Welp....
4.4 speed is world class speed!
(05-18-2021, 01:30 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ] (05-18-2021, 01:07 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Jon'vea Johnson, the guy who is #1 on that list in the picture.
Oh ok, my bad.
That picture isn't an end all, be all by any means. But considering we don't have an "official" timed speed for Collin (like we do for the other guys on that list), you gotta go with the info you do have. Everybody on that list can move and he's running with them.
I like Colin Johnson well enough. I even think he's got a high ceiling and a bright future if he plays his cards right.
I don't think he'll overtake Chark on the depth chart any time soon -- and I definitely have read enough of Jimmy Smith's takes on twitter and elsewhere to know that he needs to be taken with a grain of salt, if not a bucket of it at times.
(05-18-2021, 09:36 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I like Colin Johnson well enough. I even think he's got a high ceiling and a bright future if he plays his cards right.
I don't think he'll overtake Chark on the depth chart any time soon -- and I definitely have read enough of Jimmy Smith's takes on twitter and elsewhere to know that he needs to be taken with a grain of salt, if not a bucket of it at times.
No take is as bad as Favre saying we should take a WR over Trevor with the first pick in the draft, lol.
Jimmy be wild on Twitter lol I love it and I love his personality. Wish he was employed by Jags in some capacity, he is die hard
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Too many hits to head.