Quote:Cade in point. How many hits? Are they truly hits? Do they signficantly outweigh the misses? Who are your misses in the starting lineup? Classify Skuta, Odrick, House, Gratz, Cyp, Yeldon, Thomas, Joke... I see a lot of just guys and liabilities in this list. Will leave the newcomers out for now till we see more.
I think we are just a bit too quick to declare how 'talented' the team is overall. That roster yesterday looked bottom tier, eye test wise. Everyone has horrid days indeed. They surely looked out of sorts yesterday. Time will tell.
This is what I see as the quality guys: Fowler, Yannick, Jackson, Odrick, Marks, Telvin, Jack, Ramsey, House, Amukamara and Gipson.
We even have depth. With the other guys you named.
Odrick is not a liability. Now if he's rushing the qb from the edge on 3rd and long then he is. But that is a coaching/scheme issue not a talent issues. Thomas balled out yesterday so that's false. I havent even named the offensive players.
It just looks like most on this board can see the players and can run a better offense than what we currently are doing.
I used to believe players not plays as wells but Poz cannot be matched up on Benjamin. There is something inherently wrong with a scheme that has that as a matchup. This isn't the first time we've seen something like that either.
Quote:You lost a lot of credibility with this post my man, Telvin Smith says "hello". Michael has been and will likely be a complete non factor.
My statement was that the Jags didn't take any players that I wanted for my own team. I saw Telvin as a 3rd-4th rounder. You guys got him in the 5th. Solid pick, but not so awesome as to make me jealous. I did note the 2014 class was average, which implies it roughly met the criteria I laid out: 3 difference makers and 2 serviceable guys who could start at some point. Do you feel the Jags got more than that out of 2014?
Caldwell has been far from perfect. Remember replacing Monroe with the joke, Holmes, Cyprien, etc etc. The guy has been a mediocre GM at best so far.
Blah, blah, blah.....
Caldwell's not the problem people. If you are divvying up blame, Caldwell's slice is very, very, small.
Caldwell- NO
Gus- YES
Khan- YES
Khan makes decision on Pus Bradley to stay
Quote:Blah, blah, blah.....
Caldwell's not the problem people. If you are divvying up blame, Caldwell's slice is very, very, small.
I don't think it's as small. Here's why: If he's responsible for acquiring coaches (that we'd like to dish the biggest blame on) should he not realize his current coach is insanely bad to do something about it, this off-season at least?
To HAVE DONE something about it I meant
Linder should have never been moved from guard and we should have gotten a center. Tired of the projects.
Quote:I don't think it's as small. Here's why: If he's responsible for acquiring coaches (that we'd like to dish the biggest blame on) should he not realize his current coach is insanely bad to do something about it, this off-season at least?
It's been widely publicized that Khan was in on the HC search and that they committed to a long term build through the draft.
With that in mind, it makes perfect sense to try to stick with a HC through the process. Was he the wrong guy to stick with? Sure seems like it to me, but I don't fault DC/SK for sticking to a plan that makes sense.
Gus was a sought after HC candidate by a number of teams. I'm not prepared to go overboard with the GM on that one.
What they do about fixing it
now is more critical to Dave's job security, IMO.
It is not Caldwell it is coaching.
I was telling a friend of mine thats its almost as if Caldwell drafts based off of player highlights and not actual film (Lee,Fowler). He's not terrible but his moves should start coming into question, that 2013 class was awful. Shack was ran out of town but at least the man brought in some legitimate all pro talents. Mathis, Jones Drew, Mike Pete etc.
What I mean is, if you are as outstanding and as foresighted as some think of him, why support Khan/Jags brass to recommit to Bradley? Not during the initial selection, but the last endorsement.
If I have invested so much into assembling ingredients but sense that the cook is not up to par, after a lot of evidence depicting that, I'll bring in a better chef to prepare the meal. That shows proactiveness, foresight. Why wait till it's a foregone conclusion he is deplorable, after the courses start coming out? I'm hungry now. Shall be back.
Quote:What I mean is, if you are as outstanding and as foresighted as some think of him, why support Khan/Jags brass to recommit to Bradley? Not during the initial selection, but the last endorsement.
If I have invested so much into assembling ingredients but sense that the cook is not up to par, after a lot of evidence depicting that, I'll bring in a better chef to prepare the meal. That shows proactiveness, foresight. Why wait till it's a foregone conclusion he is deplorable, after the courses start coming out? I'm hungry now. Shall be back.
Can't tell you.
I can only
guess it's a matter of trying to complete an intended process and not give up on it prematurely.
There is a difference between finding talent and developing talent. Regularly great teams like the Packers and Patriots are able to take raw players and help them mold into productive players.It is quite possible that Caldwell has been drafting talent, but that they have not developed those players well enough. It is that constant theme of Jaguars players that have thrived once they left to go to other teams.
It's amazing to me that just one week ago, everyone was thrilled with most of the players Caldwell brought in. Everyone was generally pleased with Bortles. Now they want to dump them both.
Any of the top 20 current NFL Head Coaches could lead this team to the playoffs. There's just way too much talent.
2013 was a garbage draft for most teams. The top 15 has like 12 busts. Dave was using Gene Smiths scouts for that draft too.
Quote:There is a difference between finding talent and developing talent. Regularly great teams like the Packers and Patriots are able to take raw players and help them mold into productive players.It is quite possible that Caldwell has been drafting talent, but that they have not developed those players well enough. It is that constant theme of Jaguars players that have thrived once they left to go to other teams.
I'll take that. Fair enough. Perhaps not even just player development but utilizing strengths, masking weaknesses. I believe JDR managed to do that during his tenure here with continually weak ends, limited receivers and average QBs. Hence all those sexy schemes with Mike Smith and Mel Tucker employing DPRs, Brent Hawkins, Greg Favors, Jorge Cordova etc to get after the QB, and the 3 yards and a cloud of dust game plans we sometimes fumed on with MJD/Freddy T but kept us afloat and minimized mistakes.
Now, we insist on the run without personnel for it, showing our hand on passing downs, and hardly attempt to affect the passer on D.
Quote:I'll take that. Fair enough. Perhaps not even just player development but utilizing strengths, masking weaknesses. I believe JDR managed to do that during his tenure here with continually weak ends, limited receivers and average QBs. Hence all those sexy schemes with Mike Smith and Mel Tucker employing DPRs, Brent Hawkins, Greg Favors, Jorge Cordova etc to get after the QB, and the 3 yards and a cloud of dust game plans we sometimes fumed on with MJD/Freddy T but kept us afloat and minimized mistakes.
Now, we insist on the run without personnel for it, showing our hand on passing downs, and hardly attempt to affect the passer on D.
Exactly this team just seems totally confused. We either need to just decided to be an Air It Out team and force it down other teams throats. Or if we want to be the "scheme" team that out schemes them, have more creative plays with better route combinations and more precise route running. I mean these guys cannot even run a pick play correctly without being too blatant and getting caught.