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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i--LlHeNlwY

Thought this was an interesting video. The part that caught my attention was when it was suggested that maybe they had each rating by position. If that's the case, 8 was the highest someone could get in any position group. So, a different way at looking at that is the Jags thought Lawrence was the best QB and Waddle was the best WR. Building on the idea, maybe they have a formula that factors in the rating with a value on each position. So, maybe Little was a 6.8, but went in round 2 because they place a higher value on the tackle position, whereas Cisco was a 6.9 and went in round 3 because they value the safety position less. I can't remember: Did we see Campbell's score?

(05-27-2021, 08:30 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i--LlHeNlwY

Thought this was an interesting video. The part that caught my attention was when it was suggested that maybe they had each rating by position. If that's the case, 8 was the highest someone could get in any position group. So, a different way at looking at that is the Jags thought Lawrence was the best QB and Waddle was the best WR. Building on the idea, maybe they have a formula that factors in the rating with a value on each position. So, maybe Little was a 6.8, but went in round 2 because they place a higher value on the tackle position, whereas Cisco was a 6.9 and went in round 3 because they value the safety position less. I can't remember: Did we see Campbell's score?

Campbell was a 6.9.  Cisco had a NIC grade of 5 in black

Not sure what the NIC grade is there for. They all had one. I noticed Cisco's was 5 NIC, but no idea what that is. Cisco's grade was the same as Campbell's, though.

(05-27-2021, 11:01 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure what the NIC grade is there for. They all had one. I noticed Cisco's was 5 NIC, but no idea what that is. Cisco's grade was the same as Campbell's, though.

Injury concern I believe.  Farly had the same grade, a 5 in black.  Higher the number higher the risk, the biggest reason he fell to the 3rd and we picked a player that had a 6.8 grade over him

Good info. Thanks.

Why aren't the Jaguars a player for Julio Jones? Chark would be about unstoppable on the other side.

(05-24-2021, 07:27 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I truly don't understand this? Not that it got leaked, but they fact that this coaching and scouting staff had Jaylen Waddle with the same score as Trevor Lawrence? Are you kidding me? Waddle was not even close to being the top WR in this draft class, much less the #2 overall player. Even people who don't follow football knew that Ja'Marr Chase was the best WR in this draft by quite a bit. There would then probably be a 50/50 split between people who would prefer DeVonta Smith or Jaylen Waddle, so how did we have Waddle ranked so high? Thank God we had the #1 overall pick or else we might've screwed this entire draft up. To all the people committed to selecting the BAP, imagine if we had the #2 overall pick and we took Waddle? How would that have gone down? We would've had an elite WR unit and no QB to throw to them.

Ever notice how I kept talking about player paradigms, like in the Collin Johnson discussion and whether Collin Johnson is Meyer's kind of receiver?

This is exactly what I was talking about.

Football players are not necessarily cookie cutter products.  Teams have a certain idea of what types of attributes work best at players at certain positions within their systems.  Clearly, Ja'Marr Chase is an outstanding WR prospect.  But Ja'Marr Chase has different physical attributes than Waddle.  Waddle's combination of physical attributes make him more of a fit for UMs system than Chase.

But this also illustrates why pure BAP is not a flawless approach.

Taking your representations of the rankings as an accurate representation of the comparative abilities of the players, if the Jaguars brass got the initial player evaluations wrong, they would rank them incorrectly, thus it wouldn't matter whether they took BAP on their board or not.

I sure hope time proves that Baalke and UM got the picks right.

(05-31-2021, 03:52 AM)JaguarJosh2 Wrote: [ -> ]Why aren't the Jaguars a player for Julio Jones?  Chark would be about unstoppable on the other side.

As promising as our team looks, julio wants to win.

(05-31-2021, 03:52 AM)JaguarJosh2 Wrote: [ -> ]Why aren't the Jaguars a player for Julio Jones?  Chark would be about unstoppable on the other side.

Age.  Julio Jones is 32.  That's an age where players at skill positions start to decline.  They start having injuries more frequently.  Besides, at this stage in the team's development with a rookie at QB, we want guys who can grow together.  By the time TL is reaching his peak-say 4th year-we'll want him to have receivers who can still get open and make plays. Julio Jones will be 36 by then.

His contract is also very costly.  While we probably have the cap room to accommodate it, we shouldn't.  We are coming off a 1-15 season.  We have holes in many spots on the roster.  We also stand to lose a lot of our current OL in free agency.  We have to ensure some quality and experience at OL for TL and ETN.  

Finally, the cost in trade to get him is more than I would certainly want to pay for a guy his age.  The rumors circulating was that the Jaguars would send LaViska Shenault and a 2022 2nd round pick for Julio Jones.  That's NOT the way to build a young nucleus.

If we were talking about Julio Jones from 5 years ago, I'd be all for making a move for him if the cost was reasonable.

But not now.

(05-31-2021, 08:08 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-24-2021, 07:27 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I truly don't understand this? Not that it got leaked, but they fact that this coaching and scouting staff had Jaylen Waddle with the same score as Trevor Lawrence? Are you kidding me? Waddle was not even close to being the top WR in this draft class, much less the #2 overall player. Even people who don't follow football knew that Ja'Marr Chase was the best WR in this draft by quite a bit. There would then probably be a 50/50 split between people who would prefer DeVonta Smith or Jaylen Waddle, so how did we have Waddle ranked so high? Thank God we had the #1 overall pick or else we might've screwed this entire draft up. To all the people committed to selecting the BAP, imagine if we had the #2 overall pick and we took Waddle? How would that have gone down? We would've had an elite WR unit and no QB to throw to them.

Ever notice how I kept talking about player paradigms, like in the Collin Johnson discussion and whether Collin Johnson is Meyer's kind of receiver?

This is exactly what I was talking about.

Football players are not necessarily cookie cutter products.  Teams have a certain idea of what types of attributes work best at players at certain positions within their systems.  Clearly, Ja'Marr Chase is an outstanding WR prospect.  But Ja'Marr Chase has different physical attributes than Waddle.  Waddle's combination of physical attributes make him more of a fit for UMs system than Chase.

But this also illustrates why pure BAP is not a flawless approach.

Taking your representations of the rankings as an accurate representation of the comparative abilities of the players, if the Jaguars brass got the initial player evaluations wrong, they would rank them incorrectly, thus it wouldn't matter whether they took BAP on their board or not.

I sure hope time proves that Baalke and UM got the picks right.

Flip side of that it that "any manager who can get along with a .400 hitter is crazy."