(06-24-2021, 02:37 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2021, 02:19 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]Those convicted of victimless crimes should be immediately pardoned.
What's a victimless crime?
Any crime where there is no victim. I.E. doing or selling drugs, prostitution, collecting rain water, you know those type of things.
(06-24-2021, 04:14 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2021, 02:37 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]What's a victimless crime?
Any crime where there is no victim. I.E. doing or selling drugs, prostitution, collecting rain water, you know those type of things.
Selling drugs to kids is not a victimless crime. Prostitution should be legalized and regulated otherwise, there are a lot of victims. Try again
(06-24-2021, 04:14 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2021, 02:37 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]What's a victimless crime?
Any crime where there is no victim. I.E. doing or selling drugs, prostitution, collecting rain water, you know those type of things.
There is a whole human trafficking issue with this one, it’s definitely not a victimless crime.
(06-24-2021, 04:25 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2021, 04:14 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]Any crime where there is no victim. I.E. doing or selling drugs, prostitution, collecting rain water, you know those type of things.
Selling drugs to kids is not a victimless crime. Prostitution should be legalized and regulated otherwise, there are a lot of victims. Try again
How is it a victim if someone willingly buys drugs? Isn't selling alcohol to a minor a crime? Drugs would be treated the same way. There are victims in prostitution but there are no victims between consenting parties. The crimes are forced prostitution but when you legalize prostitution, more victims will be willing to come forward because they will not fear going to jail once they are found out to be a prostitute. Drugs and prostitution both should be 100% legal. Your body. You should be able to do whatever you want with it.
(06-24-2021, 04:35 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2021, 04:14 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]Any crime where there is no victim. I.E. doing or selling drugs, prostitution, collecting rain water, you know those type of things.
There is a whole human trafficking issue with this one, it’s definitely not a victimless crime.
If you are in jail for prostitution, you are not in jail for human trafficking. And if you make prostitution legal, those forced in prostitution would be more likely to come forward because there would be no penalty for being a prostitute.
(06-24-2021, 04:36 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2021, 04:25 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]Selling drugs to kids is not a victimless crime. Prostitution should be legalized and regulated otherwise, there are a lot of victims. Try again
How is it a victim if someone willingly buys drugs? Isn't selling alcohol to a minor a crime? Drugs would be treated the same way. There are victims in prostitution but there are no victims between consenting parties. The crimes are forced prostitution but when you legalize prostitution, more victims will be willing to come forward because they will not fear going to jail once they are found out to be a prostitute. Drugs and prostitution both should be 100% legal. Your body. You should be able to do whatever you want with it.
(06-24-2021, 04:35 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]There is a whole human trafficking issue with this one, it’s definitely not a victimless crime.
If you are in jail for prostitution, you are not in jail for human trafficking. And if you make prostitution legal, those forced in prostitution would be more likely to come forward because there would be no penalty for being a prostitute.
Ok, but most drugs are still illegal and inevitably, it will be sold to kids or kids will be involved. It is disingenuous to say selling drugs is a victimless crime. Plus, buying street drugs, YOU NEVER REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE BUYING. They can put whatever they want and they do put whatever they want into it. More people die from illegal drug use than covid even came close to killing. What you are advocating is the legalization and regulation of drug use. But you will still have a criminal element involved. So, just stop saying "victimless crime" because you are wrong.
(06-24-2021, 04:44 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2021, 04:36 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]How is it a victim if someone willingly buys drugs? Isn't selling alcohol to a minor a crime? Drugs would be treated the same way. There are victims in prostitution but there are no victims between consenting parties. The crimes are forced prostitution but when you legalize prostitution, more victims will be willing to come forward because they will not fear going to jail once they are found out to be a prostitute. Drugs and prostitution both should be 100% legal. Your body. You should be able to do whatever you want with it.
If you are in jail for prostitution, you are not in jail for human trafficking. And if you make prostitution legal, those forced in prostitution would be more likely to come forward because there would be no penalty for being a prostitute.
Ok, but most drugs are still illegal and inevitably, it will be sold to kids or kids will be involved. It is disingenuous to say selling drugs is a victimless crime. Plus, buying street drugs, YOU NEVER REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE BUYING. They can put whatever they want and they do put whatever they want into it. More people die from illegal drug use than covid even came close to killing. What you are advocating is the legalization and regulation of drug use. But you will still have a criminal element involved. So, just stop saying "victimless crime" because you are wrong.
If you release people for victimless crimes, prosecutors stop prosecuting people for said crimes. And then eventually drugs become legal and no one goes to jail for putting a drug in their body and then they can get help without fear of jail time if they get found out for using drugs. There are no victims for doing drugs, zero. So it should not be a crime. There are no victims for selling drugs either. It is no different than your corner liquor store. Now if you kill someone while on drugs or kill someone to eliminate the competition then those are crimes but those crimes have nothing to do with the selling of or taking of drugs.
(06-24-2021, 04:49 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2021, 04:44 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, but most drugs are still illegal and inevitably, it will be sold to kids or kids will be involved. It is disingenuous to say selling drugs is a victimless crime. Plus, buying street drugs, YOU NEVER REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE BUYING. They can put whatever they want and they do put whatever they want into it. More people die from illegal drug use than covid even came close to killing. What you are advocating is the legalization and regulation of drug use. But you will still have a criminal element involved. So, just stop saying "victimless crime" because you are wrong.
If you release people for victimless crimes, prosecutors stop prosecuting people for said crimes. And then eventually drugs become legal and no one goes to jail for putting a drug in their body and then they can get help without fear of jail time if they get found out for using drugs. There are no victims for doing drugs, zero. So it should not be a crime. There are no victims for selling drugs either. It is no different than your corner liquor store. Now if you kill someone while on drugs or kill someone to eliminate the competition then those are crimes but those crimes have nothing to do with the selling of or taking of drugs.
Well as a former drug addict I can easily say, all of this is patently false. You start off by experimenting with some friends at school because its "cool", then the next thing you know you are stealing to support your habit that by now is almost completely out of your control. You have NO IDEA on what you are talking about.
(06-24-2021, 04:56 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2021, 04:49 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]If you release people for victimless crimes, prosecutors stop prosecuting people for said crimes. And then eventually drugs become legal and no one goes to jail for putting a drug in their body and then they can get help without fear of jail time if they get found out for using drugs. There are no victims for doing drugs, zero. So it should not be a crime. There are no victims for selling drugs either. It is no different than your corner liquor store. Now if you kill someone while on drugs or kill someone to eliminate the competition then those are crimes but those crimes have nothing to do with the selling of or taking of drugs.
Well as a former drug addict I can easily say, all of this is patently false. You start off by experimenting with some friends at school because its "cool", then the next thing you know you are stealing to support your habit that by now is almost completely out of your control. You have NO IDEA on what you are talking about.
I am an alcoholic myself so I do know what I am talking about. I have been through rehab and I had the chance to talk to many addicts, so I do indeed know what I am talking about. If you steal and go to jail, you don't go to jail because you took drugs, you go to jail because you stole. It is no different than if you steal so you can buy you some booze. You don't go to jail because you drink booze, you go to jail because you stole from someone. Stop comparing victimless crimes with committing crimes to support your victimless crime. Two every different things.
(06-24-2021, 05:03 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2021, 04:56 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]Well as a former drug addict I can easily say, all of this is patently false. You start off by experimenting with some friends at school because its "cool", then the next thing you know you are stealing to support your habit that by now is almost completely out of your control. You have NO IDEA on what you are talking about.
I am an alcoholic myself so I do know what I am talking about. I have been through rehab and I had the chance to talk to many addicts, so I do indeed know what I mam talking about. If you steal and go to jail, you don't go to jail because you took drugs, you go to jail because you stole. It is no different than if you steal so you can buy you some booze. You don't go to jail because you drink booze, you go to jail because you stole from someone. Stop comparing victimless crimes with committing crimes to support your victimless crime. Two every different things.
LOL... lets see alcohol vs cocaine. Get addicted to cocaine then tell me is a victimless crime. Its not the same thing, no matter what your sponsor says. That cocaine/heroin/meth will make you do things you WOULD NEVER, EVER do sober. You absolutely lose control. Not many people that were as addicted as I was get out alive or without going to prison. I am not saying I was not responsible for my actions, because I took the drugs, but when you are coming down off of those drugs, the pain is indescribable. You will do just about anything to alleviate it, and that will always, ALWAYS create victims, legal, illegal or whatever.
(06-24-2021, 05:03 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2021, 04:56 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]Well as a former drug addict I can easily say, all of this is patently false. You start off by experimenting with some friends at school because its "cool", then the next thing you know you are stealing to support your habit that by now is almost completely out of your control. You have NO IDEA on what you are talking about.
I am an alcoholic myself so I do know what I am talking about. I have been through rehab and I had the chance to talk to many addicts, so I do indeed know what I am talking about. If you steal and go to jail, you don't go to jail because you took drugs, you go to jail because you stole. It is no different than if you steal so you can buy you some booze. You don't go to jail because you drink booze, you go to jail because you stole from someone. Stop comparing victimless crimes with committing crimes to support your victimless crime. Two every different things.
So in other words, you are unlike (or rather just like) commie-la Harris. Rather than address the issue at hand just ignore the "root cause" of the issue.
Is it a "victimless" crime when a person chooses to use money to put chemicals in their body rather than provide a healthy meal to their child, or would that be child abuse/endangerment? Is it a "victimless" crime if someone uses what money they have to put chemicals in their body rather than provide shelter for their children?
I have seen it with my own eyes.
I hired a guy to take care of my lawn because I'm lazy sometimes and my mower was broken down. He did a great job at first, but I started noticing that he was losing weight at an alarming rate. He then started asking for "advances" for his work. Pretty soon me mentioned that his family "wasn't going to have much of a Thanksgiving dinner" because they couldn't afford it. My wife and I gave them some groceries to help them out. The last straw was when he called us up one morning asking if he could "borrow" some money. Reluctantly we said "yes" and when he showed up to get it it was pretty clear that he was "in need of a fix". Pretty soon he started to not show up when he was supposed to, we got excuses of "broken equipment" and later found out that he was selling his equipment. We ended up firing him because he wasn't doing what we were paying him to do. He ended up getting evicted from the home that they were renting and last time I saw him he was mowing grass with a cheap push mower (not new).
The guy (to my knowledge) never stole anything from anybody, yet his family had to suffer because of his "victimless" crime. To this day I don't know if the guy is even alive or in jail anymore.
My point is, just because (to my knowledge) he never stole from anybody it doesn't make his crime (buying and using illegal drugs) "victimless".
There is no such thing as a "victimless crime".
(06-24-2021, 05:41 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2021, 05:03 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]I am an alcoholic myself so I do know what I am talking about. I have been through rehab and I had the chance to talk to many addicts, so I do indeed know what I am talking about. If you steal and go to jail, you don't go to jail because you took drugs, you go to jail because you stole. It is no different than if you steal so you can buy you some booze. You don't go to jail because you drink booze, you go to jail because you stole from someone. Stop comparing victimless crimes with committing crimes to support your victimless crime. Two every different things.
So in other words, you are unlike (or rather just like) commie-la Harris. Rather than address the issue at hand just ignore the "root cause" of the issue.
Is it a "victimless" crime when a person chooses to use money to put chemicals in their body rather than provide a healthy meal to their child, or would that be child abuse/endangerment? Is it a "victimless" crime if someone uses what money they have to put chemicals in their body rather than provide shelter for their children?
I have seen it with my own eyes.
I hired a guy to take care of my lawn because I'm lazy sometimes and my mower was broken down. He did a great job at first, but I started noticing that he was losing weight at an alarming rate. He then started asking for "advances" for his work. Pretty soon me mentioned that his family "wasn't going to have much of a Thanksgiving dinner" because they couldn't afford it. My wife and I gave them some groceries to help them out. The last straw was when he called us up one morning asking if he could "borrow" some money. Reluctantly we said "yes" and when he showed up to get it it was pretty clear that he was "in need of a fix". Pretty soon he started to not show up when he was supposed to, we got excuses of "broken equipment" and later found out that he was selling his equipment. We ended up firing him because he wasn't doing what we were paying him to do. He ended up getting evicted from the home that they were renting and last time I saw him he was mowing grass with a cheap push mower (not new).
The guy (to my knowledge) never stole anything from anybody, yet his family had to suffer because of his "victimless" crime. To this day I don't know if the guy is even alive or in jail anymore.
My point is, just because (to my knowledge) he never stole from anybody it doesn't make his crime (buying and using illegal drugs) "victimless".
There is no such thing as a "victimless crime".
Victim as defined by law. A kid that has an absentee or uncaring parent would be conidered a "victim" but the parent would not go to jail for it. You are not a victim if you choose to do it to yourself. If you drink your paycheck away does your family suffer, most likely but are they victims of a crime, absolutely not.
(06-24-2021, 05:08 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2021, 05:03 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]I am an alcoholic myself so I do know what I am talking about. I have been through rehab and I had the chance to talk to many addicts, so I do indeed know what I mam talking about. If you steal and go to jail, you don't go to jail because you took drugs, you go to jail because you stole. It is no different than if you steal so you can buy you some booze. You don't go to jail because you drink booze, you go to jail because you stole from someone. Stop comparing victimless crimes with committing crimes to support your victimless crime. Two every different things.
LOL... lets see alcohol vs cocaine. Get addicted to cocaine then tell me is a victimless crime. Its not the same thing, no matter what your sponsor says. That cocaine/heroin/meth will make you do things you WOULD NEVER, EVER do sober. You absolutely lose control. Not many people that were as addicted as I was get out alive or without going to prison. I am not saying I was not responsible for my actions, because I took the drugs, but when you are coming down off of those drugs, the pain is indescribable. You will do just about anything to alleviate it, and that will always, ALWAYS create victims, legal, illegal or whatever.
Alcohol does the same thing. It makes you so [BLEEP] you would never do. There are two drugs you can die from just by detoxing off them and they are benzos and alcohol. Not crack, not meth, but alcohol. What you don't understand is prohibition isn't the answer. It wasn't the answer for alcohol and it isn't the answer for drugs or prostitution. Prohibition is never the answer.
(06-24-2021, 06:26 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2021, 06:20 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]Victim as defined by law. A kid that has an absentee or uncaring parent would be conidered a "victim" but the parent would not go to jail for it. You are not a victim if you choose to do it to yourself. If you drink your paycheck away does your family suffer, most likely but are they victims of a crime, absolutely not.
You are wrong.
How am I wrong? You can say someone is a bad parent but they do nothing illegal.
(06-24-2021, 04:14 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2021, 02:37 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]What's a victimless crime?
Any crime where there is no victim. I.E. doing or selling drugs, prostitution, collecting rain water, you know those type of things.
Really? A drug addict with no job that resorts to stealing to pay for the drugs is he involved in a victimless crime?
(06-24-2021, 03:28 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2021, 03:08 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]Dang it, I have sweetwood and trico suave on ignore. All they ever do is be ugly and NEVER offer anything intelligent to any conversation. So, I just ignore all their post.
Nothing intelligent?! Like Foles leading the Jags to a SB?!
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(06-24-2021, 03:31 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2021, 03:08 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]Dang it, I have sweetwood and trico suave on ignore. All they ever do is be ugly and NEVER offer anything intelligent to any conversation. So, I just ignore all their post.
Pot kettle ---> kettle pot
But congratulations on figuring out how to put somebody on ignore. It was probably a strain.
(06-24-2021, 03:51 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]HAHAH, unless someone quotes them, this is all I have to see of them. Its actually funny. I laugh every time.
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(06-24-2021, 12:07 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2021, 12:02 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]No one outside the USA ever says this and no country outside the USA has ever attempted it.
And the USA was just doing it to discourage black voting.
Did I say any country ever did?
I'm just saying I'm tired of people that can't put together a coherent sentence being able to sway the country.
Right but the fact that no country has ever made a real intelligence or literacy test for voting, in all of human history, should show you that it is not possible.
Especially considering the one time we tried, it was really about racism and not about intelligence.
Getting paid to get laid. I bet most of you all would flip if your daughter did it. Getting hooked on such drugs, can lead to stealing and having sex for money. These aren't good things. As far as drugs, some of the hard core drugs really do destroy a family. I've seen where a mom didn't care about her kids anymore and ditched them. You have to think about how these harder drugs are destroying families.
(06-24-2021, 05:41 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2021, 05:03 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]I am an alcoholic myself so I do know what I am talking about. I have been through rehab and I had the chance to talk to many addicts, so I do indeed know what I am talking about. If you steal and go to jail, you don't go to jail because you took drugs, you go to jail because you stole. It is no different than if you steal so you can buy you some booze. You don't go to jail because you drink booze, you go to jail because you stole from someone. Stop comparing victimless crimes with committing crimes to support your victimless crime. Two every different things.
So in other words, you are unlike (or rather just like) commie-la Harris. Rather than address the issue at hand just ignore the "root cause" of the issue.
Is it a "victimless" crime when a person chooses to use money to put chemicals in their body rather than provide a healthy meal to their child, or would that be child abuse/endangerment? Is it a "victimless" crime if someone uses what money they have to put chemicals in their body rather than provide shelter for their children?
I have seen it with my own eyes.
I hired a guy to take care of my lawn because I'm lazy sometimes and my mower was broken down. He did a great job at first, but I started noticing that he was losing weight at an alarming rate. He then started asking for "advances" for his work. Pretty soon me mentioned that his family "wasn't going to have much of a Thanksgiving dinner" because they couldn't afford it. My wife and I gave them some groceries to help them out. The last straw was when he called us up one morning asking if he could "borrow" some money. Reluctantly we said "yes" and when he showed up to get it it was pretty clear that he was "in need of a fix". Pretty soon he started to not show up when he was supposed to, we got excuses of "broken equipment" and later found out that he was selling his equipment. We ended up firing him because he wasn't doing what we were paying him to do. He ended up getting evicted from the home that they were renting and last time I saw him he was mowing grass with a cheap push mower (not new).
The guy (to my knowledge) never stole anything from anybody, yet his family had to suffer because of his "victimless" crime. To this day I don't know if the guy is even alive or in jail anymore.
My point is, just because (to my knowledge) he never stole from anybody it doesn't make his crime (buying and using illegal drugs) "victimless".
There is no such thing as a "victimless crime".
I agree with everything here. I chose my job. But it’s people like you describe that gives the good ones a bad wrap. It’s the exact reason why those that aren’t are a holes. We get treated like the ones you talk about. Can we have a “lawn guy awareness month”?
(06-24-2021, 07:28 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (06-24-2021, 04:14 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]Any crime where there is no victim. I.E. doing or selling drugs, prostitution, collecting rain water, you know those type of things.
Really? A drug addict with no job that resorts to stealing to pay for the drugs is he involved in a victimless crime?
Would you say the same thing about an alcoholic? You guys keep trying to tie the two things together. Stealing for a fix is far different than taking a drug or drinking a drink. No matter your DoC.
(06-24-2021, 08:08 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Getting paid to get laid. I bet most of you all would flip if your daughter did it. Getting hooked on such drugs, can lead to stealing and having sex for money. These aren't good things. As far as drugs, some of the hard core drugs really do destroy a family. I've seen where a mom didn't care about her kids anymore and ditched them. You have to think about how these harder drugs are destroying families.
Years ago in California I read a story in the Fresno Bee about a woman found dead in a local flea bag motel. Turns out she was once a beauty queen and college student who had the world at her feet. She became an addict and started hustling. It was reported the night she died a group of about 10 guys passed her around and then finished her off with a hot-shot. She was still in her 20s.