Quote:Paul was a MLB in college. I think the Bills were 4-3 his rookie year, then they switched to 3-4 after. When the Jags signed him, he cited the team's 4-3 defense as one of the reasons it appealed to him. He didn't want to be an ILB on a 3-4. MLB on 4-3 always has been his natural position.
This team does not have a 3-4 personnel. If we *did* make the switch, Telvin would be the odd-man out, which is nuts considering he's the least of the problems when it comes to our linebackers. Fowler can probably transition to OLB on a 3-4 (though coverage responsibilities will be a question mark), and as I said, Skuta would be the other fit at 3-4 OLB. It makes no sense to do this and take Telvin off the field.
We literally have Odrick who was an outside end in 3-4, Malik who played some two gap end in Denver, a nose in Miller, Yannick, Fowler and Skuta can rotate at outside backer, Telvin, Jack, Poz and Skuta can rotate at inside backer.
You keep telling yourself we can't. We are playing a defense that is half the 3-4 and half 4-3. We will disagree on Telvin ability to play ilb. I think he can and his speed would be an asset in the middle of the field. Poz played in a 3-4 in buffalo if for not 5 years than 4...
He's old anyway. I wouldn't design the scheme around his skill set. He would either take his role or get gone.
Quote:We literally have Odrick who was an outside end in 3-4, Malik who played some two gap end in Denver, a nose in Miller, Yannick, Fowler and Skuta can rotate at outside backer, Telvin, Jack, Poz and Skuta can rotate at inside backer.
You keep telling yourself we can't. We are playing a defense that is half the 3-4 and half 4-3. We will disagree on Telvin ability to play ilb. I think he can and his speed would be an asset in the middle of the field. Poz played in a 3-4 in buffalo if for not 5 years than 4...
He's old anyway. I wouldn't design the scheme around his skill set. He would either take his role or get gone.
I agree that we have the front in Malik/Roy/Odrick.
It's the LBs that's the problem and where we disagree. 3-4 features and glorifies the LBs. The two ILBs need to be able to take on blockers and stop the run game. The two OLBs need to be able to rush, occasionally cover. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, but there's no way I run a 3-4 featuring Telvin and Jack in the middle.
Quote:Fowler Jack Poz Telvin
Mailk Roy Odrick
This I can go for that and Yannick instead of Telvin on pass downs or just go to a nickle defense
Quote:I agree that we have the front in Malik/Roy/Odrick.
It's the LBs that's the problem and where we disagree. 3-4 features and glorifies the LBs. The two ILBs need to be able to take on blockers and stop the run game. The two OLBs need to be able to rush, occasionally cover. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, but there's no way I run a 3-4 featuring Telvin and Jack in the middle.
Agreed. I guess the point I'm making is you see how we just talked and schemed different ways to put these guys on the field together. I feel like this coaching staff isn't doing this. It's Leo or nothing. Otto or noting. That can't fly anymore
Quote:Agreed. I guess the point I'm making is you see how we just talked and schemed different ways to put these guys on the field together. I feel like this coaching staff isn't doing this. It's Leo or nothing. Otto or noting. That can't fly anymore
Look, its easy to be frustrated. And its easy to point fingers. We're playing MMQB, but these guys have their livelihoods at stake here. They're just not holding Jack back just for the sake of it. There's a reason for it. I mean, come on. They benched Fowler, a top 3 pick, in favor of a 3rd round guy in Yannick. I really do believe that they don't think Myles is ready. And I tend to believe them based on what I've seen out of him from UCLA and in pre-season so far.
If this team panics and makes a move for the sake of making a move now, THAT is the sure fire way to lose this locker room. Everyone seems to be criticizing Gus and Wash, but I believe Ryan O or Mike Kaye sent out a tweet around the 3rd or 4th preseason after talking to players in the locker room and it was said the consensus within the locker room was that Jack wasn't ready for a full time role.
Quote:Look, its easy to be frustrated. And its easy to point fingers. We're playing MMQB, but these guys have their livelihoods at stake here. They're just not holding Jack back just for the sake of it. There's a reason for it. I mean, come on. They benched Fowler, a top 3 pick, in favor of a 3rd round guy in Yannick. I really do believe that they don't think Myles is ready. And I tend to believe them based on what I've seen out of him from UCLA and in pre-season so far.
If this team panics and makes a move for the sake of making a move now, THAT is the sure fire way to lose this locker room. Everyone seems to be criticizing Gus and Wash, but I believe Ryan O or Mike Kaye sent out a tweet around the 3rd or 4th preseason after talking to players in the locker room and it was said the consensus within the locker room was that Jack wasn't ready for a full time role.
How can you believe anything this coaching staff does is the right move?
Quote:Look, its easy to be frustrated. And its easy to point fingers. We're playing MMQB, but these guys have their livelihoods at stake here. They're just not holding Jack back just for the sake of it. There's a reason for it. I mean, come on. They benched Fowler, a top 3 pick, in favor of a 3rd round guy in Yannick. I really do believe that they don't think Myles is ready. And I tend to believe them based on what I've seen out of him from UCLA and in pre-season so far.
If this team panics and makes a move for the sake of making a move now, THAT is the sure fire way to lose this locker room. Everyone seems to be criticizing Gus and Wash, but I believe Ryan O or Mike Kaye sent out a tweet around the 3rd or 4th preseason after talking to players in the locker room and it was said the consensus within the locker room was that Jack wasn't ready for a full time role.
Losing the locker room might be a good thing. We might start winning games.
Myles Jack was playing the in 4Q on a few plays. He whiffed on a tackle in open field. He couldn't get off a block on a run directly at him. He sat too far back in a zone to allow a first down right in front him. Those were on consecutive plays.
Sure maybe he needs to be on the field and make those mistakes to get better, but don't just assume he will get on the field be great all of sudden.
Even Ramsey had trouble yesterday with bumping guys off routes, not setting the edge, and not playing the ball.
We are playing for 2017 anyway, why not get him game time and let him learn?
Quote:How is it a 4-4 with 3 lineman?
I had it as a 4-4 but changed it. It won't work because of only 3 DB's and we'd get torched after watching yesterday's game.
We did so good stopping the run with Skuta and Poz no way we could take them out. It's not like they ran for 150 yards on us and Danny Woodhead was already averaging 9 yards a carry when he went out.
If you put Jack in, we would struggle too much! Wait....
Quote:Myles Jack was playing the in 4Q on a few plays. He whiffed on a tackle in open field. He couldn't get off a block on a run directly at him. He sat too far back in a zone to allow a first down right in front him. Those were on consecutive plays.
Sure maybe he needs to be on the field and make those mistakes to get better, but don't just assume he will get on the field be great all of sudden.
Even Ramsey had trouble yesterday with bumping guys off routes, not setting the edge, and not playing the ball.
I'm not gonna judge a guy getting in a game when its a blowout, at that point the game was over and they just throw him out there, how about gameplaning him into the defense during the week, maybe he will be ready
Quote:I'm not gonna judge a guy getting in a game when its a blowout, at that point the game was over and they just throw him out there, how about gameplaning him into the defense during the week, maybe he will be ready
I don't understand this at all.
1. He is rookie playing in a real NFL for the first time ever. He should be going all out, trying to earn more playing time. Now he could have been over pursuing or thinking too much. That happens to rookies, but you still judge the tape to help him get better.
2. This is the NFL. You only have 5 LB on the active roster. Everyone of them is in all the game plan and strategy meetings all week. Everyone one is being told what they should do if they have to go into the game. "Next man up" is the pervasive NFL culture. You are supposed to always be ready.