(09-02-2021, 09:16 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2021, 06:31 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Several reasons.
First, the WR group on the active roster is thin. Only 5 guys, of whom I think 3 are nursing injuries.
Secondly, it's good to have players who know the offense, so they can come in and play on a moment's notice, and all 5 of those guys were in training camp so they know the offense. Having been in camp and knowing the offense is enough of a factor that a player on the waiver wire has to be substantially better than the player they would cut to make room for him. And it appears that Meyer/Baalke didn't think the players available were good enough to offset the fact that they were not in training camp and don't know them.
Third, they just like those guys, and want to keep them.
You have to keep in mind, it's not really a 53 man roster. With the new practice squad rules, it's really a 69 man roster. In the past, the practice squad was (I think) 8 guys, any of whom could be claimed by another team at any time. Now, the practice squad is 16 guys. 6 of them can be veterans, and 4 of them can be protected against claim by another team.
Also, consider this: if we kept 7 WRs on our 53 man roster, which is plausible, that would be 13% of our 53. If we keep 10 WRs on our active + practice squad roster, that would be 14%. Not a big difference.
I have to say, there are a lot of people on this message board who see the Jaguars doing something they don't understand or immediately agree with, and their default reaction is, "Urban Meyer and Trent Baalke are stupid and don't know what they are doing." I take the opposite approach. I try to understand why they might be doing whatever it is that I initially don't understand. But I know a message board would be boring if everyone did that, and I also know from experience that if I call people out for this lack of self-awareness, the response would be, "What, I'm not supposed to question things?"
We're just following the evidence, given some of the baffling and strange decisions and choices this new regime has been making since taking over.
Like I said, if people had more self-awareness, the world would be a boring place. So, I'm not trying to tell you to stop.
(09-02-2021, 06:55 AM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2021, 06:31 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Several reasons.
First, the WR group on the active roster is thin. Only 5 guys, of whom I think 3 are nursing injuries.
Secondly, it's good to have players who know the offense, so they can come in and play on a moment's notice, and all 5 of those guys were in training camp so they know the offense. Having been in camp and knowing the offense is enough of a factor that a player on the waiver wire has to be substantially better than the player they would cut to make room for him. And it appears that Meyer/Baalke didn't think the players available were good enough to offset the fact that they were not in training camp and don't know them.
Third, they just like those guys, and want to keep them.
You have to keep in mind, it's not really a 53 man roster. With the new practice squad rules, it's really a 69 man roster. In the past, the practice squad was (I think) 8 guys, any of whom could be claimed by another team at any time. Now, the practice squad is 16 guys. 6 of them can be veterans, and 4 of them can be protected against claim by another team.
Also, consider this: if we kept 7 WRs on our 53 man roster, which is plausible, that would be 13% of our 53. If we keep 10 WRs on our active + practice squad roster, that would be 14%. Not a big difference.
I have to say, there are a lot of people on this message board who see the Jaguars doing something they don't understand or immediately agree with, and their default reaction is, "Urban Meyer and Trent Baalke are stupid and don't know what they are doing." I take the opposite approach. I try to understand why they might be doing whatever it is that I initially don't understand. But I know a message board would be boring if everyone did that, and I also know from experience that if I call people out for this lack of self-awareness, the response would be, "What, I'm not supposed to question things?"
To this I Concur especially how some message board Gurus thinks that they know more than the GM and HC. As a fan and fan only, being disappoint by the staff's decision making process only allows you to vent via. this message board i.e. social media.
We have an entirely new coaching staff, an entirely new offensive/defensive scheme, we've rolled over the roster and we've yet to hit the playing field. Let It Play Out FANS.
Time Will Tell.
NH3...
I got the exact same response when I hated the Quincy Williams draft pick. The former third rounder just got cut after contributing extremely little to the team. Sometimes the fans are right. Head coaches and general managers get fired all the time. Baalke got fired as general manager when his team progressively kept getting worse and worse and worse over time. Just because you have the title, it doesn't necessarily mean you are good at it. Even if you are good at it, it still doesn't mean that you can't be wrong on one decision. I think people on this board should absolutely question every decision. Agree with it if you like it. Disagree with it if you hate it. That's the whole point of the board. If I just wanted to hear the Jaguars talking points, I can read an article on Jaguars.com. You don't need a message board for it. People who just blindly agree with every decision quickly lose credibility with me and I don't value their opinions very much.
The Practice Squad looks good.... Cotton is back!!
It's the practice squad. Does it really make a difference?
This board is chocked full of cynical gurus…good luck with that
We have signed QB Kyle Lauletta and TE Matt Sokol to the practice squad and placed WR Tavon Austin on injured reserve
Hey that lauletta guy is the qb that lit us up in preseason for the browns. Haha nice
(09-02-2021, 10:37 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Hey that lauletta guy is the qb that lit us up in preseason for the browns. Haha nice
Indeed. I don’t know if he was trying out for the Browns or the Jags.
So, when a team signs a 3rd string QB, it seems like they would keep him away from everyone else, in order to avoid the situation Denver got into last year, when all of their QBs had to go into Covid protocol.
Just a random comment.
(09-03-2021, 07:12 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]So, when a team signs a 3rd string QB, it seems like they would keep him away from everyone else, in order to avoid the situation Denver got into last year, when all of their QBs had to go into Covid protocol.
Just a random comment.
Are vaccinated players required to quarantine if exposed?
(09-03-2021, 07:12 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]So, when a team signs a 3rd string QB, it seems like they would keep him away from everyone else, in order to avoid the situation Denver got into last year, when all of their QBs had to go into Covid protocol.
Just a random comment.
That would make practice a challenge.
(09-02-2021, 09:26 AM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2021, 06:55 AM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]To this I Concur especially how some message board Gurus thinks that they know more than the GM and HC. As a fan and fan only, being disappoint by the staff's decision making process only allows you to vent via. this message board i.e. social media.
We have an entirely new coaching staff, an entirely new offensive/defensive scheme, we've rolled over the roster and we've yet to hit the playing field. Let It Play Out FANS.
Time Will Tell.
NH3...
I got the exact same response when I hated the Quincy Williams draft pick. The former third rounder just got cut after contributing extremely little to the team. Sometimes the fans are right. Head coaches and general managers get fired all the time. Baalke got fired as general manager when his team progressively kept getting worse and worse and worse over time. Just because you have the title, it doesn't necessarily mean you are good at it. Even if you are good at it, it still doesn't mean that you can't be wrong on one decision. I think people on this board should absolutely question every decision. Agree with it if you like it. Disagree with it if you hate it. That's the whole point of the board. If I just wanted to hear the Jaguars talking points, I can read an article on Jaguars.com. You don't need a message board for it. People who just blindly agree with every decision quickly lose credibility with me and I don't value their opinions very much.
Let's add Blake Bortles, Taven Bryan, Nick Foles, etc. to this list.
We ALL have opinions and I personally respect each and every one of them. The fact of the matter is that Boo Coo fans have an tendency to be Pessimistic when team's decisions doesn't reflect their personal wish list(s). If the front office appeased each and every wish list, where would this team be?
I said that to say this. There's millions of wish lists and only 3-5 front office personnel per team that makes the overall decisions. Respect their decisions until you can't anymore. This regime is unproven at this point to which we as Fans need to support said decisions instead of slandering because they the front office made a decision that they individually don't like.
I'm an Optimist as everyone can TELL of which My Glass is more than half full. At this point our team (in its infancy) needs Optimism, not Pessimism.
Also, the value of one person's opinion of another person's opinion is simply an opinion. We ALL have that right. Do we not?
NH3...
(09-03-2021, 07:40 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (09-03-2021, 07:12 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]So, when a team signs a 3rd string QB, it seems like they would keep him away from everyone else, in order to avoid the situation Denver got into last year, when all of their QBs had to go into Covid protocol.
Just a random comment.
Are vaccinated players required to quarantine if exposed?
Great question. I looked it up, and I guess the answer is, no.
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-covid-19-ou...elled-game
If a vaccinated person tests positive and is asymptomatic, he or she will be isolated and contact tracing will promptly occur. The positive individual will be permitted to return to duty after two negative tests at least 24-hours apart and will thereafter be tested every two weeks or as directed by the medical staffs. Vaccinated individuals will not be subject to quarantine as a result of close contact with an infected person.
• If an unvaccinated person tests positive, the protocols from 2020 will remain in effect. The person will be isolated for a period of 10 days and will then be permitted to return to duty if asymptomatic.
(09-03-2021, 07:08 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2021, 10:37 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Hey that lauletta guy is the qb that lit us up in preseason for the browns. Haha nice
Indeed. I don’t know if he was trying out for the Browns or the Jags.
I was unaware until I watched his highlights of which I said, "That's the Guy Officer, he's the one that did all the damage". LOL. I'm impressed w/his play BUT concerned that he could be plucked from our PS. NEVERTHELESS, he's on our team until he isn't.
Time Will Tell.
NH3...
(09-03-2021, 08:48 AM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-03-2021, 07:08 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Indeed. I don’t know if he was trying out for the Browns or the Jags.
I was unaware until I watched his highlights of which I said, "That's the Guy Officer, he's the one that did all the damage". LOL. I'm impressed w/his play BUT concerned that he could be plucked from our PS. NEVERTHELESS, he's on our team until he isn't.
Time Will Tell.
NH3...
BUT, we can protect 4 guys on the practice squad each week, so maybe we will protect him.
(09-02-2021, 05:38 PM)Jags@dajugular Wrote: [ -> ]We have signed QB Kyle Lauletta and TE Matt Sokol to the practice squad and placed WR Tavon Austin on injured reserve
People were comparing him to Tony Romo when coming out lol
(09-01-2021, 08:56 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2021, 08:28 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I am more inclined to blame Baalke because he has GM experience and should know how the practice squad works.
Whichever of the two are to blame, that indeed is odd to have so many players at one position.
I think we sometimes say Meyer because he is the face of the organization, but it is really a combination of Meyer and Baalke.
Another way of looking at our practice squad is that it is 10 offense and 3 defense. Considering our active roster was 21 offense and 29 defense, this would put the combined roster back into balance with 31 offense to 32 defense. It's not the approach that I thought they would take. I assumed that they would sign around 3 offensive players off waivers and then cut the defense to offset it. It's also still very glaring that there was no quarterback or tight end claimed off waivers or signed to the practice squad. I'm hoping that they are negotiating with veterans who have been cut. I'm a Jaguars fan and want to believe the best in Meyer/Baalke, but they keep disappointing me at every phase of the off-season. I think there were a number of waiver wire players that would have upgraded this team. Another missed opportunity and I expect that this season we'll be given a lot of the line that "you can't turn around a team in one year". You can turn around a team quickly if you make the right moves. I just don't see us making the right moves.
Well, as long as Trevor Lawrence is who we think he is, most of this won't matter. If he hits his ceiling, he will elevate everyone and make us a playoff contender for the next decade and a half. I am skeptical, but I am hopeful we do have the all so elusive elite QB on the roster now. True elite QBs will make poor look average, average look good and good players elite. Give a Brady or Manning type an elite WR, and they do what Moss did in 2007.
(09-03-2021, 08:05 AM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2021, 09:26 AM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]I got the exact same response when I hated the Quincy Williams draft pick. The former third rounder just got cut after contributing extremely little to the team. Sometimes the fans are right. Head coaches and general managers get fired all the time. Baalke got fired as general manager when his team progressively kept getting worse and worse and worse over time. Just because you have the title, it doesn't necessarily mean you are good at it. Even if you are good at it, it still doesn't mean that you can't be wrong on one decision. I think people on this board should absolutely question every decision. Agree with it if you like it. Disagree with it if you hate it. That's the whole point of the board. If I just wanted to hear the Jaguars talking points, I can read an article on Jaguars.com. You don't need a message board for it. People who just blindly agree with every decision quickly lose credibility with me and I don't value their opinions very much.
Let's add Blake Bortles, Taven Bryan, Nick Foles, etc. to this list.
We ALL have opinions and I personally respect each and every one of them. The fact of the matter is that Boo Coo fans have an tendency to be Pessimistic when team's decisions doesn't reflect their personal wish list(s). If the front office appeased each and every wish list, where would this team be?
I said that to say this. There's millions of wish lists and only 3-5 front office personnel per team that makes the overall decisions. Respect their decisions until you can't anymore. This regime is unproven at this point to which we as Fans need to support said decisions instead of slandering because they the front office made a decision that they individually don't like.
I'm an Optimist as everyone can TELL of which My Glass is more than half full. At this point our team (in its infancy) needs Optimism, not Pessimism.
Also, the value of one person's opinion of another person's opinion is simply an opinion. We ALL have that right. Do we not?
NH3...
I just used Quincy Williams since he's the most recent example. There's plenty of other cases where some fans were right and the team was right. The Jaguars have mostly struggled over the last ten years. The people who have mostly been negative on here have also mostly been right. The people who blindly defended the team were mostly wrong. History is overwelmingly on the side of the people you are criticizing.
There's some people who only want to hear good news. While I prefer good news to bad news, I want the truth. I would rather listen to bad news that is true versus good news that is false, one-sided, unsubstantiated or misleading. If someone only wants to hear positives about the Jaguars, then I suggest that they read the O-zone or other articles on Jaguars.com. You don't need a message board for that. To me, the whole point of a message board is to get diverse opinions and opinions are only meaningful if they are honest. If you think the Jaguars should do X and they do Y and then you blindly defend Y, then you are not being honest. If someone wants to do that, fine. I would just like them to understand that if their goal is change people's minds, it's helpful to be credible. If someone 100% always blindly defends the Jaguars, their opinions aren't credible. While there may be an occasional troll on this board, I think most of the regulars are just being honest when they criticize the Jaguars. They shouldn't be criticized for that.