The problem is when everything is deemed bad. You get the first over all pick and there's a problem with that we should check out at least what other teams are offering in trade. You finally since coach Tom got a coach with a reputation of winning and it is a problem with everything he does he tells the truth you have a problem he does not lie. The National media who now because they have to pay us some attention looks to just highlight whatever bad they can So in the end they can say we ruined a generational talent because we wouldn't trade him away. Now everything is the number two Qb in the draft this and that. Me I have been a jags fan from the start good or bad busted or mistrusted and they can take this middle finger and rotate on it with their hate. Duuuuuvvvalllllllll.
(09-01-2021, 06:18 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I'm still really hoping we bring in either Jacob Hollister or Richard Rodgers to add to the 53 man roster. I don't see our TE unit putting fear in any defenses. I can't believe we didn't put in a single waiver claim for a TE. Hopefully, we'll hear of the Jags signing one of these 2 TE's in the next few days.
Good call on Hollister you straight up nailed that
(09-01-2021, 07:58 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2021, 07:56 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]Five of the thirteen are at one position (wide receiver).. Why do people think they did that?
Honestly, I'm not sure Meyer knows what he is doing.
Really??? Now Coach Meyer cannot even build out the bottom end of a roster. The bar is set very low for head coach of this team and even with the learning curve he is among the best coaches we have ever had.
(09-05-2021, 04:40 PM)ajagsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2021, 07:58 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly, I'm not sure Meyer knows what he is doing.
Really??? Now Coach Meyer cannot even build out the bottom end of a roster. The bar is set very low for head coach of this team and even with the learning curve he is among the best coaches we have ever had.
If the coach does something the board disagrees with it's because the coach doesn't understand how to do his job. Strangely enough nobody from this board has even been interviewed for any jobs in the league.
Once this team starts winning something this will be the same people running in here acting as if they knew it all along. Or the jags decide to trade away any said player they act like they believed from the start that, that person was a Hall of Famer. All they do is complain with their miserable [BLEEP].
(09-05-2021, 05:06 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2021, 04:40 PM)ajagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Really??? Now Coach Meyer cannot even build out the bottom end of a roster. The bar is set very low for head coach of this team and even with the learning curve he is among the best coaches we have ever had.
If the coach does something the board disagrees with it's because the coach doesn't understand how to do his job. Strangely enough nobody from this board has even been interviewed for any jobs in the league.
I need you to understand that those people have been 100% correct with the last three coaches.
(09-06-2021, 12:05 AM)JaguarKick Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2021, 05:06 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]If the coach does something the board disagrees with it's because the coach doesn't understand how to do his job. Strangely enough nobody from this board has even been interviewed for any jobs in the league.
I need you to understand that those people have been 100% correct with the last three coaches.
Agreed. If you go back and read all the post on this board in the last decade, the majority of the posters have been right way more than the Jags' front office and coaches. I believe a lot of it is because the board doesn't have personal relationships with these people. Sometimes thinking someone is nice or that they are your friend, clouds your judgement about how well they are at their job. You tend to give them a way longer leash. That has happened over and over with the past GM and several coaches. The writing was on the wall, but they kept getting chance after chance. Then, when we finally have a chance to really make a real change, we keep part of the old regime (Baalke) and promote him to GM and the owner hires a HC with no professional experience, because he is friends with the guy. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure this stuff out. Any unbiased eye can see it and the O.G. posters on here are unbiased, because we aren't swayed by personal relationships. It's not that we are smarter than the owner, we just see things how they really are, because we aren't clouded by personal connections to people. It's pretty clear.
(09-06-2021, 06:54 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (09-06-2021, 12:05 AM)JaguarKick Wrote: [ -> ]I need you to understand that those people have been 100% correct with the last three coaches.
Agreed. If you go back and read all the post on this board in the last decade, the majority of the posters have been right way more than the Jags' front office and coaches. I believe a lot of it is because the board doesn't have personal relationships with these people. Sometimes thinking someone is nice or that they are your friend, clouds your judgement about how well they are at their job. You tend to give them a way longer leash. That has happened over and over with the past GM and several coaches. The writing was on the wall, but they kept getting chance after chance. Then, when we finally have a chance to really make a real change, we keep part of the old regime (Baalke) and promote him to GM and the owner hires a HC with no professional experience, because he is friends with the guy. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure this stuff out. Any unbiased eye can see it and the O.G. posters on here are unbiased, because we aren't swayed by personal relationships. It's not that we are smarter than the owner, we just see things how they really are, because we aren't clouded by personal connections to people. It's pretty clear.
I think you have to keep in mind, when opinions on any particular topic are offered on this message board, you get 20 different opinions. It's not possible that we all agree, much less that we are all correct. One of us will be, because of the law of averages. You get 20 different opinions, one of them is bound to be correct. But that doesn't mean we are correct more than the front office. It just means that one of us had the correct opinion.
If you want to offer your opinion on a coaching hire, and you want to say a particular coaching hire is a bad hire, odds are you would be correct, because a great majority of NFL coaches fail and get fired. So to say, "they shouldn't have hired this guy" is a layup.
(09-06-2021, 07:27 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (09-06-2021, 06:54 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed. If you go back and read all the post on this board in the last decade, the majority of the posters have been right way more than the Jags' front office and coaches. I believe a lot of it is because the board doesn't have personal relationships with these people. Sometimes thinking someone is nice or that they are your friend, clouds your judgement about how well they are at their job. You tend to give them a way longer leash. That has happened over and over with the past GM and several coaches. The writing was on the wall, but they kept getting chance after chance. Then, when we finally have a chance to really make a real change, we keep part of the old regime (Baalke) and promote him to GM and the owner hires a HC with no professional experience, because he is friends with the guy. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure this stuff out. Any unbiased eye can see it and the O.G. posters on here are unbiased, because we aren't swayed by personal relationships. It's not that we are smarter than the owner, we just see things how they really are, because we aren't clouded by personal connections to people. It's pretty clear.
I think you have to keep in mind, when opinions on any particular topic are offered on this message board, you get 20 different opinions. It's not possible that we all agree, much less that we are all correct. One of us will be, because of the law of averages. You get 20 different opinions, one of them is bound to be correct. But that doesn't mean we are correct more than the front office. It just means that one of us had the correct opinion.
If you want to offer your opinion on a coaching hire, and you want to say a particular coaching hire is a bad hire, odds are you would be correct, because a great majority of NFL coaches fail and get fired. So to say, "they shouldn't have hired this guy" is a layup.
That's not always true. I'd be willing to bet that 80% of this board was in agreement that Dave Caldwell should've been fired before the 2020 draft. The same goes for the firing of Doug Marrone. We were almost all in agreement that he was retained at least a year too long and don't even get me started on Todd Wash and George Warhop. There were continuous messages by many, many posters saying these guys had to be fired, yet they were retained. None of us had personal relationships with these people and it was very clear to us that they were not good at their jobs, given the situation. We knew they needed to go, but they were given way too many chances and it set this franchise back. Just go back and look how many people on this board were in agreement back then. It certainly wasn't just one person or even a handful. It was the majority.
(09-06-2021, 07:47 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (09-06-2021, 07:27 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I think you have to keep in mind, when opinions on any particular topic are offered on this message board, you get 20 different opinions. It's not possible that we all agree, much less that we are all correct. One of us will be, because of the law of averages. You get 20 different opinions, one of them is bound to be correct. But that doesn't mean we are correct more than the front office. It just means that one of us had the correct opinion.
If you want to offer your opinion on a coaching hire, and you want to say a particular coaching hire is a bad hire, odds are you would be correct, because a great majority of NFL coaches fail and get fired. So to say, "they shouldn't have hired this guy" is a layup.
That's not always true. I'd be willing to bet that 80% of this board was in agreement that Dave Caldwell should've been fired before the 2020 draft. The same goes for the firing of Doug Marrone. We were almost all in agreement that he was retained at least a year too long and don't even get me started on Todd Wash and George Warhop. There were continuous messages by many, many posters saying these guys had to be fired, yet they were retained. None of us had personal relationships with these people and it was very clear to us that they were not good at their jobs, given the situation. We knew they needed to go, but they were given way too many chances and it set this franchise back. Just go back and look how many people on this board were in agreement back then. It certainly wasn't just one person or even a handful. It was the majority.
Fans almost always turn on coaches and GMs before owners do. So the fans are almost always right that the coach or GM should be fired, because most coaches and GMs get fired eventually. For every single coach we've had, there has been a sizeable contingent of fans saying he ought to be fired. It's the same with every team.
But if you want to say the fans on this message board have been right about a variety of things more often than the coaches and GMs, for example whom we should draft or free agents we should hire, take a look back at mock drafts, or posts about an upcoming free agency period, and you can see there is never a unanimity of opinion. So someone will always have a good pick in round 2 or round 3 or round 1, but most people will pick at least as many busts as the coaches and GMs do.
So sure, one fan is always right. Because there were 20 fans offering 20 different opinions and one happened to hit it right. But you can't say "the fans" because there are no "the fans" when it comes to opinions about things. Opinions are all over the map.
(09-06-2021, 08:56 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (09-06-2021, 07:47 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]That's not always true. I'd be willing to bet that 80% of this board was in agreement that Dave Caldwell should've been fired before the 2020 draft. The same goes for the firing of Doug Marrone. We were almost all in agreement that he was retained at least a year too long and don't even get me started on Todd Wash and George Warhop. There were continuous messages by many, many posters saying these guys had to be fired, yet they were retained. None of us had personal relationships with these people and it was very clear to us that they were not good at their jobs, given the situation. We knew they needed to go, but they were given way too many chances and it set this franchise back. Just go back and look how many people on this board were in agreement back then. It certainly wasn't just one person or even a handful. It was the majority.
Fans almost always turn on coaches and GMs before owners do. So the fans are almost always right that the coach or GM should be fired, because most coaches and GMs get fired eventually. For every single coach we've had, there has been a sizeable contingent of fans saying he ought to be fired. It's the same with every team.
But if you want to say the fans on this message board have been right about a variety of things more often than the coaches and GMs, for example whom we should draft or free agents we should hire, take a look back at mock drafts, or posts about an upcoming free agency period, and you can see there is never a unanimity of opinion. So someone will always have a good pick in round 2 or round 3 or round 1, but most people will pick at least as many busts as the coaches and GMs do.
So sure, one fan is always right. Because there were 20 fans offering 20 different opinions and one happened to hit it right. But you can't say "the fans" because there are no "the fans" when it comes to opinions about things. Opinions are all over the map.
We're specifically talking about coaching and GM decisions and in those cases, the people on this board were right and there was a ton of them. Not just one guy. This discussion has nothing to do with who we should have drafted. Of course you have many varying opinions on those issues. No one is disputing that, but when it comes to keeping coaches and GM's who have failed at their jobs, there is no question, the majority of people on this board were right.
(09-06-2021, 09:02 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (09-06-2021, 08:56 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Fans almost always turn on coaches and GMs before owners do. So the fans are almost always right that the coach or GM should be fired, because most coaches and GMs get fired eventually. For every single coach we've had, there has been a sizeable contingent of fans saying he ought to be fired. It's the same with every team.
But if you want to say the fans on this message board have been right about a variety of things more often than the coaches and GMs, for example whom we should draft or free agents we should hire, take a look back at mock drafts, or posts about an upcoming free agency period, and you can see there is never a unanimity of opinion. So someone will always have a good pick in round 2 or round 3 or round 1, but most people will pick at least as many busts as the coaches and GMs do.
So sure, one fan is always right. Because there were 20 fans offering 20 different opinions and one happened to hit it right. But you can't say "the fans" because there are no "the fans" when it comes to opinions about things. Opinions are all over the map.
We're specifically talking about coaching and GM decisions and in those cases, the people on this board were right and there was a ton of them. Not just one guy. This discussion has nothing to do with who we should have drafted. Of course you have many varying opinions on those issues. No one is disputing that, but when it comes to keeping coaches and GM's who have failed at their jobs, there is no question, the majority of people on this board were right.
You keep ignoring my point. The fans almost always turn on the coach and GM before the owner does. And, coaches and GMs most often wind up getting fired, no matter who they are. Eventually, they get fired, and the fans that wanted them fired pat themselves on the back for being right. But what's the big deal about being right in that situation? Pick any coach or GM in the league. Odds are, they will eventually get fired. In 1995, and every year after that, there were fans who thought Tom Coughlin should be fired. For every single coach we've had, there was a contingent of fans who thought he should be fired. It's the same with every team.
You should keep that in mind before you start giving the fans credit for being right on the last 3 coaches. It's meaningless.
You know what? I've been right on every coach and GM we've had. Ever. Because it has always reached a point where I called for them to be fired. So I'm right on the last 5 coaches. Big deal.
(09-06-2021, 09:10 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (09-06-2021, 09:02 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]We're specifically talking about coaching and GM decisions and in those cases, the people on this board were right and there was a ton of them. Not just one guy. This discussion has nothing to do with who we should have drafted. Of course you have many varying opinions on those issues. No one is disputing that, but when it comes to keeping coaches and GM's who have failed at their jobs, there is no question, the majority of people on this board were right.
You keep ignoring my point. The fans almost always turn on the coach and GM before the owner does. And, coaches and GMs most often wind up getting fired, no matter who they are. Eventually, they get fired, and the fans that wanted them fired pat themselves on the back for being right. But what's the big deal about being right in that situation? Pick any coach or GM in the league. Odds are, they will eventually get fired. In 1995, and every year after that, there were fans who thought Tom Coughlin should be fired. For every single coach we've had, there was a contingent of fans who thought he should be fired. It's the same with every team.
You should keep that in mind before you start giving the fans credit for being right on the last 3 coaches. It's meaningless.
You know what? I've been right on every coach and GM we've had. Ever. Because it has always reached a point where I called for them to be fired. So I'm right on the last 5 coaches. Big deal.
But you're ignoring my point that the fans are right, because they don't have a personal relationship with the people that should be fired, therefore they see things more clearly than an owner or GM see things. With the fans, it's all about wins and losses, period. Owners and GM's tend to give a lot more leeway, because their judgement is clouded by personal relationships they have with these under-performing people and often times it ends up setting the team back. This isn't about coaches or GM's "eventually" getting fired. It's about firing them before their own poor performances hinder the team's future. Sure, bad coaches and GM's will eventually get fired, but in many cases they are fired after they have set the team back a year or two with bad performances.
Good for you. That accuracy is most likely because as I stated a couple of times, you and the majority of the rest of the fans see things clearly. We don't have personal relationships getting in the way of good business decisions.
(09-05-2021, 04:40 PM)ajagsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2021, 07:58 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly, I'm not sure Meyer knows what he is doing.
Really??? Now Coach Meyer cannot even build out the bottom end of a roster. The bar is set very low for head coach of this team and even with the learning curve he is among the best coaches we have ever had.
Since he hasn't even coached a game that counts yet, all we can really say is that he is "among the coaches we have had". I disagree with a lot of his decisions thus far, but no matter if you agree or disagree with his decisions, we kind of have to wait until we see some results on the field before truly grading him.
O-line and Marty. Y'all are both making good, even valid points. But as I see it, Kahn wasn't invested nearly enough for too long. Admittedly not knowing football well enough was a good honest disclosure on his part but he waited far too long to do anything about it. By the time he Did get involved deeply he brought in Coughlin and promptly backed off again, This proved costly and I feel he felt kinda trapped into having to keep Caldwell and Marrone. Ultimately this led to the chance to get Trevor and he realized he may never get better a chance to get both a franchise QB but also a big time coach. This necessitated dumping Marrone and Caldwell. Meyer's reputation, at least as a winning coach, is hard to top. Was he the right choice? Time will tell as NH3 (or is it Snowwolf?) likes to end his posts. As to Baalke, well, I am not his biggest fan either but he was a part of their success for at least a little while so I will reserve judgement for now. And while most fans wanted a total cleaning of the house, that is just not realistic. Look at the scouts that were retained initially. Most if not all have now been replaced. There is no such thing as an instant fix for a football operations on the scale of an NFL team and Kahn is, in the end, a very astute business man Give this revamped outfit some time is my take. I liked the hire of Meyer and the staff he has brought in has some serious street cred in my opinion. I also like the draft picks they took. Losing ETN hurts but that's football... next man up. I just know I am excited for the next chapter of Jaguars football and it is not all, well maybe mostly it is, because of Trevor.
Jags signed Duke Johnson to the practice squad.
I like it.
Just get him on the game day roster, he's better than any other guy but JRob.
(09-06-2021, 10:52 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Just get him on the game day roster, he's better than any other guy but JRob.
They may want to give him a couple of weeks to learn the offense.
It's the practice squad. Big deal.