(10-21-2021, 07:59 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2021, 01:19 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]The truest words ever spoken in this forum. +1
How's so? The left hated his guts the minute he stepped on that escalator and the 24 7 smear campaign started then. The left never gave him.a chance to be a president they liked.
You just upvoted Mike's worst take of all time and there are a lot of them.
You are such a Trump apologist, you fail to see his many, many flaws. It's like you worship the man, so it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that you you would disagree.
The same could've been said for Obama. The election of Trump was a direct result of the hatred of Obama by the right. They hated him, before he stepped foot on the White House lawn. In turn, the election of Biden is a direct result of the left's hatred of Trump. It's a vicious circle. I can say this as an unbiased observer, because I've hated our last 3 presidents. They've all been worthless!
(10-21-2021, 09:44 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2021, 07:59 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]How's so? The left hated his guts the minute he stepped on that escalator and the 24 7 smear campaign started then. The left never gave him.a chance to be a president they liked.
You just upvoted Mike's worst take of all time and there are a lot of them.
You are such a Trump apologist, you fail to see his many, many flaws. It's like you worship the man, so it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that you you would disagree.
The same could've been said for Obama. The election of Trump was a direct result of the hatred of Obama by the right. They hated him, before he stepped foot on the White House lawn. In turn, the election of Biden is a direct result of the left's hatred of Trump. It's a vicious circle. I can say this as an unbiased observer, because I've hated our last 3 presidents. They've all been worthless!
I can see Trumps flaws. I tend to focus on policy when it comes to politicians and we all miss Trumps policy.
(10-21-2021, 09:44 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2021, 07:59 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]How's so? The left hated his guts the minute he stepped on that escalator and the 24 7 smear campaign started then. The left never gave him.a chance to be a president they liked.
You just upvoted Mike's worst take of all time and there are a lot of them.
You are such a Trump apologist, you fail to see his many, many flaws. It's like you worship the man, so it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that you you would disagree.
The same could've been said for Obama. The election of Trump was a direct result of the hatred of Obama by the right. They hated him, before he stepped foot on the White House lawn. In turn, the election of Biden is a direct result of the left's hatred of Trump. It's a vicious circle. I can say this as an unbiased observer, because I've hated our last 3 presidents. They've all been worthless!
Trump wasn't a repudiation of Obama, it was revulsion over Hillary!
(10-21-2021, 11:17 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2021, 09:44 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]You are such a Trump apologist, you fail to see his many, many flaws. It's like you worship the man, so it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that you you would disagree.
The same could've been said for Obama. The election of Trump was a direct result of the hatred of Obama by the right. They hated him, before he stepped foot on the White House lawn. In turn, the election of Biden is a direct result of the left's hatred of Trump. It's a vicious circle. I can say this as an unbiased observer, because I've hated our last 3 presidents. They've all been worthless!
Trump wasn't a repudiation of Obama, it was revulsion over Hillary!
It was both. That is a fact.
(10-21-2021, 09:44 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2021, 07:59 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]How's so? The left hated his guts the minute he stepped on that escalator and the 24 7 smear campaign started then. The left never gave him.a chance to be a president they liked.
You just upvoted Mike's worst take of all time and there are a lot of them.
You are such a Trump apologist, you fail to see his many, many flaws. It's like you worship the man, so it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that you you would disagree.
The same could've been said for Obama. The election of Trump was a direct result of the hatred of Obama by the right. They hated him, before he stepped foot on the White House lawn. In turn, the election of Biden is a direct result of the left's hatred of Trump. It's a vicious circle. I can say this as an unbiased observer, because I've hated our last 3 presidents. They've all been worthless!
I don't think that is true for the majority. Everyone I know gave Obama a wait and see, sadly he disappointed.
(10-21-2021, 09:44 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2021, 07:59 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]How's so? The left hated his guts the minute he stepped on that escalator and the 24 7 smear campaign started then. The left never gave him.a chance to be a president they liked.
You just upvoted Mike's worst take of all time and there are a lot of them.
You are such a Trump apologist, you fail to see his many, many flaws. It's like you worship the man, so it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that you you would disagree.
The same could've been said for Obama. The election of Trump was a direct result of the hatred of Obama by the right. They hated him, before he stepped foot on the White House lawn. In turn, the election of Biden is a direct result of the left's hatred of Trump. It's a vicious circle. I can say this as an unbiased observer, because I've hated our last 3 presidents. They've all been worthless!
If a person votes based on personal flaws instead of policies they're about as dumb as people who make medical decisions based on political beliefs as opposed to actual medical advice from their physician.
There is no such thing as a spotless politician. Everyone has a flaw. It's what you're willing to put up with when it's time to vote. Obama and Trump are likely to go down in history as the two most divisive POTUS in different ways.
(10-21-2021, 12:58 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2021, 09:44 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]You are such a Trump apologist, you fail to see his many, many flaws. It's like you worship the man, so it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that you you would disagree.
The same could've been said for Obama. The election of Trump was a direct result of the hatred of Obama by the right. They hated him, before he stepped foot on the White House lawn. In turn, the election of Biden is a direct result of the left's hatred of Trump. It's a vicious circle. I can say this as an unbiased observer, because I've hated our last 3 presidents. They've all been worthless!
I don't think that is true for the majority. Everyone I know gave Obama a wait and see, sadly he disappointed.
There were people who gave Trump a wait and see as well, that he then disappointed them. These were people who didn't vote for Trump but gave him a chance after he won. It was only about 5% of voters based on polling, but I was one of them.
(10-21-2021, 12:15 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2021, 11:17 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Trump wasn't a repudiation of Obama, it was revulsion over Hillary!
It was both. That is a fact.
You're both wrong. It was a rejection of establishment Republicans.
(10-21-2021, 08:33 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (10-20-2021, 05:54 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]This is what happens when you make political opponents your enemy. If society would have had this visceral a reaction to the DNC in 2015, when all but one said they saw Republicans as the greatest threat to the US, maybe we would have bought ourselves some time. Ronster is a product of hypocrisy and mistrust brought about by the weaponizing of our institutions against his political party. I think he, and others like him, are losing their own values by adopting the values of democrats, but until moderates say enough, you're just going to get more of this.
You're just making an excuse for why a crappy person is crappy.
You need to learn how to disassociate. You're invested in showing your superiority over Ronster. Doesn't make sense to me.
(10-21-2021, 02:03 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2021, 08:33 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]You're just making an excuse for why a crappy person is crappy.
You need to learn how to disassociate. You're invested in showing your superiority over Ronster. Doesn't make sense to me.
And what doesn't make sense to me is wishing millions of people should die in this country because they don't agree with your political views.
So forgive me if I call out someone who makes such ridiculous claims. And you can continue making excuses for the people who feel this way, including Ronster.
(10-21-2021, 01:20 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2021, 09:44 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]You are such a Trump apologist, you fail to see his many, many flaws. It's like you worship the man, so it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that you you would disagree.
The same could've been said for Obama. The election of Trump was a direct result of the hatred of Obama by the right. They hated him, before he stepped foot on the White House lawn. In turn, the election of Biden is a direct result of the left's hatred of Trump. It's a vicious circle. I can say this as an unbiased observer, because I've hated our last 3 presidents. They've all been worthless!
If a person votes based on personal flaws instead of policies they're about as dumb as people who make medical decisions based on political beliefs as opposed to actual medical advice from their physician.
There is no such thing as a spotless politician. Everyone has a flaw. It's what you're willing to put up with when it's time to vote. Obama and Trump are likely to go down in history as the two most divisive POTUS in different ways.
Sadly, the last few elections have been more of a "popularity" thing rather than policy thing.
(10-21-2021, 01:23 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2021, 12:15 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]It was both. That is a fact.
You're both wrong. It was a rejection of establishment Republicans.
Not really. I have said many times before that I didn't vote for Trump in the primary, but I voted for him in the general election because it was pretty much "anyone but Hillary". In the 2020 election I voted for Trump because I saw the good that he had done during his first (only) term. He stood up to China, helped broker some peace in the middle east, worked on actually securing the southern border and the economy was booming just to name a few accomplishments. In addition to that he exposed the MSM for what it is, though many people don't like the way "how" he exposed it.
His downfall was his personality and presentation. Too many people were "triggered" because of his tweets.
I don't want to start the "election was stolen" debate because it doesn't matter at this point. I do find it odd that he had thousands of people showing up to his campaign events while Biden had tens of people showing up if/when he did anything public. I find it odd that when I went to bed Trump had a pretty good lead and when I woke up in the morning "suddenly" there was a surge of Biden votes.
To get back to my original point, FSG is right. I do think that far more votes went to Trump in 2016 not necessarily as a repudiation of Obama (though there were some I'm sure), it was revulsion over Hillary.
(10-21-2021, 03:34 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2021, 01:23 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]You're both wrong. It was a rejection of establishment Republicans.
Not really. I have said many times before that I didn't vote for Trump in the primary, but I voted for him in the general election because it was pretty much "anyone but Hillary". In the 2020 election I voted for Trump because I saw the good that he had done during his first (only) term. He stood up to China, helped broker some peace in the middle east, worked on actually securing the southern border and the economy was booming just to name a few accomplishments. In addition to that he exposed the MSM for what it is, though many people don't like the way "how" he exposed it.
His downfall was his personality and presentation. Too many people were "triggered" because of his tweets.
I don't want to start the "election was stolen" debate because it doesn't matter at this point. I do find it odd that he had thousands of people showing up to his campaign events while Biden had tens of people showing up if/when he did anything public. I find it odd that when I went to bed Trump had a pretty good lead and when I woke up in the morning "suddenly" there was a surge of Biden votes.
To get back to my original point, FSG is right. I do think that far more votes went to Trump in 2016 not necessarily as a repudiation of Obama (though there were some I'm sure), it was revulsion over Hillary.
I agree to an extent, but I don't think he would make it through the primaries without L2L's point about voters being antiestablishment. So, in essence it's both.
(10-21-2021, 03:12 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2021, 01:20 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]If a person votes based on personal flaws instead of policies they're about as dumb as people who make medical decisions based on political beliefs as opposed to actual medical advice from their physician.
There is no such thing as a spotless politician. Everyone has a flaw. It's what you're willing to put up with when it's time to vote. Obama and Trump are likely to go down in history as the two most divisive POTUS in different ways.
Sadly, the last few elections have been more of a "popularity" thing rather than policy thing.
Sadly too true and I can't see how this can be fixed.
(10-21-2021, 03:34 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2021, 01:23 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]You're both wrong. It was a rejection of establishment Republicans.
Not really. I have said many times before that I didn't vote for Trump in the primary, but I voted for him in the general election because it was pretty much "anyone but Hillary". In the 2020 election I voted for Trump because I saw the good that he had done during his first (only) term. He stood up to China, helped broker some peace in the middle east, worked on actually securing the southern border and the economy was booming just to name a few accomplishments. In addition to that he exposed the MSM for what it is, though many people don't like the way "how" he exposed it.
His downfall was his personality and presentation. Too many people were "triggered" because of his tweets.
I don't want to start the "election was stolen" debate because it doesn't matter at this point. I do find it odd that he had thousands of people showing up to his campaign events while Biden had tens of people showing up if/when he did anything public. I find it odd that when I went to bed Trump had a pretty good lead and when I woke up in the morning "suddenly" there was a surge of Biden votes.
To get back to my original point, FSG is right. I do think that far more votes went to Trump in 2016 not necessarily as a repudiation of Obama (though there were some I'm sure), it was revulsion over Hillary.
KingIngram got it right. There's a reason Trump won the primaries. There were many Republicans who felt like the establishment was no longer speaking to them. These people gave Trump the nod. After that, it was anything but Hillary. Even then, I believe that motivation was spurred on by the idea that the right can't do anything to stop the left and that the institutions were too politicized to trust the democrats. Trump just proved it.
(10-21-2021, 02:25 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2021, 02:03 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]You need to learn how to disassociate. You're invested in showing your superiority over Ronster. Doesn't make sense to me.
And what doesn't make sense to me is wishing millions of people should die in this country because they don't agree with your political views.
So forgive me if I call out someone who makes such ridiculous claims. And you can continue making excuses for the people who feel this way, including Ronster.
Who's making an excuse? You have a dude that has come to see one party a certain way. How did it get like that?
The middle does not hold the left accountable for their transgressions against this country. Do a search of my posts here 5 years ago. I was warning this would happen. I'm not making excuses. I'm pointing out cause and effect. The Ronsters go away when we get some accountability and integrity in our institutions. It's simple. That will change when people like you stop focusing on the powerless Ronsters and redirect that ire at the stupid [BLEEP] politicians, journalists, and elites that are funding this [BLEEP]. Seriously, dude. You are every bit the problem you claim Ronster to be, because you're too dense to see what's in front of your face.
The main reason Trump won in the primaries is because the rules of the primaries are dumb.
More Republicans voted for Trump's opponents than voted for Trump.
If all the Republicans had united behind Rubio or Cruz early enough, or if the voting rules were different, Trump doesn't win.
If the Republican party used the same rules for primaries as Democrats (where second and third place in each state still gets delegates), there would have been a brokered convention, and Trump would not have won that.
You have a way convoluting everything.
(10-21-2021, 07:51 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]You have a way convoluting everything.
Like you, I'm capable of finding my own narrative.
(10-21-2021, 07:31 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2021, 02:25 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]And what doesn't make sense to me is wishing millions of people should die in this country because they don't agree with your political views.
So forgive me if I call out someone who makes such ridiculous claims. And you can continue making excuses for the people who feel this way, including Ronster.
Who's making an excuse? You have a dude that has come to see one party a certain way. How did it get like that?
The middle does not hold the left accountable for their transgressions against this country. Do a search of my posts here 5 years ago. I was warning this would happen. I'm not making excuses. I'm pointing out cause and effect. The Ronsters go away when we get some accountability and integrity in our institutions. It's simple. That will change when people like you stop focusing on the powerless Ronsters and redirect that ire at the stupid [BLEEP] politicians, journalists, and elites that are funding this [BLEEP]. Seriously, dude. You are every bit the problem you claim Ronster to be, because you're too dense to see what's in front of your face.
Yea. I’ll definitely go back and check your posts from 5 years ago just so you can feel good about yourself…..
I will however call people out who wrongly believe half the country should die because they have a different political view than themselves.