(12-01-2021, 09:43 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2021, 08:14 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.tesla.com/trips/ can tell you how much charging you need, and the route to take that has the charging along the way.
I checked, for a long range model 3 the Jax to Pittsburgh trip is a little more than 15 hours with about 2 hours worth of charging along the way.
It seems unnecessary to exaggerate the time needed to the extent you have above.
After waiting in line for gas the other day I'm looking forward to a time when I can get a decent electric car and have a full tank every morning when I leave for work and no need to go to the gas station every week.
I was simply going on the fact that the avg Tesla gets ~ 250 miles per charge and the avg charging time to sustain full charge is 10 hours. I see the links below related to a model 3 is 275-350 miles per full charge (likely the minimum going through mountains) and the hours to sustain full charge is 8.5 to 10 hours.
https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+mo...e&ie=UTF-8
https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+mo...nt=gws-wiz
Tesla superchargers can give you 200 miles with a 15 minute charge. This is where I was going earlier with different vendors having proprietary level 3 charging technology (proving Mike wrong yet again) and how that will impact charging infrastructure and mass EV adoption.
(12-01-2021, 09:43 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2021, 08:14 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.tesla.com/trips/ can tell you how much charging you need, and the route to take that has the charging along the way.
I checked, for a long range model 3 the Jax to Pittsburgh trip is a little more than 15 hours with about 2 hours worth of charging along the way.
It seems unnecessary to exaggerate the time needed to the extent you have above.
After waiting in line for gas the other day I'm looking forward to a time when I can get a decent electric car and have a full tank every morning when I leave for work and no need to go to the gas station every week.
I was simply going on the fact that the avg Tesla gets ~ 250 miles per charge and the avg charging time to sustain full charge is 10 hours. I see the links below related to a model 3 is 275-350 miles per full charge (likely the minimum going through mountains) and the hours to sustain full charge is 8.5 to 10 hours.
https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+mo...e&ie=UTF-8
https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+mo...nt=gws-wiz
Where are you getting the idea that it takes ten hours to charge a Tesla? The website I linked tells you the route and the charge times. Like I said, including charge times your trip takes around 15 hours, not several days. Unless you'd rather take several days, of course.
(12-01-2021, 10:04 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2021, 09:43 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]I was simply going on the fact that the avg Tesla gets ~ 250 miles per charge and the avg charging time to sustain full charge is 10 hours. I see the links below related to a model 3 is 275-350 miles per full charge (likely the minimum going through mountains) and the hours to sustain full charge is 8.5 to 10 hours.
https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+mo...e&ie=UTF-8
https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+mo...nt=gws-wiz
Tesla superchargers can give you 200 miles with a 15 minute charge. This is where I was going earlier with different vendors having proprietary level 3 charging technology (proving Mike wrong yet again) and how that will impact charging infrastructure and mass EV adoption.
Not to mention the rolling brownouts we'll have when the power grid overheats.
(12-01-2021, 11:05 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2021, 09:43 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]I was simply going on the fact that the avg Tesla gets ~ 250 miles per charge and the avg charging time to sustain full charge is 10 hours. I see the links below related to a model 3 is 275-350 miles per full charge (likely the minimum going through mountains) and the hours to sustain full charge is 8.5 to 10 hours.
https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+mo...e&ie=UTF-8
https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+mo...nt=gws-wiz
Where are you getting the idea that it takes ten hours to charge a Tesla? The website I linked tells you the route and the charge times. Like I said, including charge times your trip takes around 15 hours, not several days. Unless you'd rather take several days, of course.
Your second link says it will take 8.5 - 10 hours, right there at the top of the page.
You would think EVs could harness solar energy to increase their range. They are already ugly as sin, so what is a few solar panels on the roof going to hurt?
(12-01-2021, 11:22 AM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2021, 11:05 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Where are you getting the idea that it takes ten hours to charge a Tesla? The website I linked tells you the route and the charge times. Like I said, including charge times your trip takes around 15 hours, not several days. Unless you'd rather take several days, of course.
Your second link says it will take 8.5 - 10 hours, right there at the top of the page.
Not my link, and not the right answer, anyway. That's an estimate of how long it would take to fully charge the car with it in your garage using 220v. The link I gave shows how long it would actually take to charge the car on a road trip like the one hurricane is talking about using the Tesla chargers that are specifically designed for fast charging, not having the car in your garage using slow charging.
Or is someone planning to make the trip to Pittsburgh charging up in their own garage every night?
The problem is electric cars are still a bit expensive. I would love to see the price come down. You make them cheap and see what happens then.
Dont forget the cost of battery replacement. i owned a Honda hybrid for 5 years and replaced the battery pack twice during that time frame. $2K for an after market. 4k for the OEM.
If everyone has their battery die twice in five years or 120,000 miles Tesla will be going out of business, because they cover it that long.
https://www.tesla.com/support/vehicle-warranty
Do you also set aside money to buy a new engine for your car every few years?
(12-01-2021, 03:03 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]If everyone has their battery die twice in five years or 120,000 miles Tesla will be going out of business, because they cover it that long. https://www.tesla.com/support/vehicle-warranty
Do you also set aside money to buy a new engine for your car every few years?
Apples and oranges. Combustion engines have a lot more moving parts than a battery, and inherently need more maintenance, but not usually wholesale replacement. Plus, with that statement equating a battery with an engine, you are implying that I'm going to replace an engine every 5 years. How often does that happen to anyone? Rechargable batteries/battery packs wear out faster than engines, especially in electric cars where the engines have fewer movable parts. And I keep cars a long time, the hybrid was a 2003 and i just got rid of it last year after an accident and the other 2 cars are a 2002 and 2003. Never had to replace a whole engine in any of them.
(12-01-2021, 03:19 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2021, 03:03 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]If everyone has their battery die twice in five years or 120,000 miles Tesla will be going out of business, because they cover it that long. https://www.tesla.com/support/vehicle-warranty
Do you also set aside money to buy a new engine for your car every few years?
Apples and oranges. Combustion engines have a lot more moving parts than a battery, and inherently need more maintenance, but not usually wholesale replacement. Plus, with that statement equating a battery with an engine, you are implying that I'm going to replace an engine every 5 years. How often does that happen to anyone? Rechargable batteries/battery packs wear out faster than engines, especially in electric cars where the engines have fewer movable parts.
Also, old engines go to the scrapyard to be recycled. What happens with old EV batteries? Honest question.
(12-01-2021, 11:05 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2021, 09:43 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]I was simply going on the fact that the avg Tesla gets ~ 250 miles per charge and the avg charging time to sustain full charge is 10 hours. I see the links below related to a model 3 is 275-350 miles per full charge (likely the minimum going through mountains) and the hours to sustain full charge is 8.5 to 10 hours.
https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+mo...e&ie=UTF-8
https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+mo...nt=gws-wiz
Where are you getting the idea that it takes ten hours to charge a Tesla? The website I linked tells you the route and the charge times. Like I said, including charge times your trip takes around 15 hours, not several days. Unless you'd rather take several days, of course.
You are the only person that asks where I'm getting the idea when I posted the link right in my post.
Your link didn't work. 404 error message.
(12-01-2021, 03:23 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2021, 11:05 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Where are you getting the idea that it takes ten hours to charge a Tesla? The website I linked tells you the route and the charge times. Like I said, including charge times your trip takes around 15 hours, not several days. Unless you'd rather take several days, of course.
You are the only person that asks where I'm getting the idea when I posted the link right in my post.
Your link didn't work. 404 error message.
There was an extra / on the link. Try below for their trip planner and enter that you want to go from Jax to Pittsburgh
https://www.tesla.com/trips
The reason I was confused was because your link was about home charging, not Tesla supercharger charging, why would you think your charge speed on your home circuit is what you'd get at a fast charger designed to help people use an electric car to travel long distances? It's not. Now, two hours of charging distributed over 15 hours of trip time may still be more than you can stand, and that's fine, but it doesn't take multiple days to drive a thousand miles in a Tesla.
(12-01-2021, 03:21 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2021, 03:19 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Apples and oranges. Combustion engines have a lot more moving parts than a battery, and inherently need more maintenance, but not usually wholesale replacement. Plus, with that statement equating a battery with an engine, you are implying that I'm going to replace an engine every 5 years. How often does that happen to anyone? Rechargable batteries/battery packs wear out faster than engines, especially in electric cars where the engines have fewer movable parts.
Also, old engines go to the scrapyard to be recycled. What happens with old EV batteries? Honest question.
They are not considered hazardous waste and they can be recycled.
I'm still curious to know how this is better than gasoline. Resources are still being used, just in different ways. Plus we have a LONG way to go before the power grids are able to support all of this and the price of the cars and home charging stations has to come down quite a bit before the average American can afford it.
The first step should be shoring up the current power grid infrastructure and building what is needed to support all of this, then move to phasing in EVs. But logic doesn't have a place in any of this when it comes to the mindset of the progressive left.
(11-30-2021, 05:53 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (11-30-2021, 05:31 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]The grid is only one of the 10 problems. EV manufacturers aren't going to reluctantly produce charging stations that work on other automobiles. The charging infrastructure is going to he a gigantic mess. Elon Musk has already gotten a massive head start on all the other manufacturers, and they are going to attach themselves to the government teet for some of that "infrastructure" money.
False. All plug in cars in North America use the same type of plug.
(11-30-2021, 05:25 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]Say everyone gets electric cars, they’re no longer dependent on gas prices to get around. What happens to the power grid with that much more drawing from it? Coal is the most common source of fuel for electric plants, guess the coal mining industry is gonna get a boost from the increased demand.
Is it really “green” if you’re just replacing one fossil fuel for another?
Which is why we should also be pushing for more and more solar and wind power to come online.
If the electric company uses natural gas (methane) for your electric car, even that is better for the environment than driving a typical gasoline powered car or truck.
Solar and wind power kill thousands and thousands of birds each year.
How'd that solar/wind mess work out for Texas earlier this year?
What about the destruction of the planet digging (using fossil fuels) for the lithium? That they pack on a barge and ship to China (using fossil fuels) , and ship back (using fossil fuels), that once they are exhausted they are hazardous waste.
Good ideas here
We should be running cars on hydrogen, in my opinion. The roads would be constantly wet but meh.
(12-02-2021, 12:33 PM)Hard_Eight Wrote: [ -> ]How'd that solar/wind mess work out for Texas earlier this year?
What about the destruction of the planet digging (using fossil fuels) for the lithium? That they pack on a barge and ship to China (using fossil fuels) , and ship back (using fossil fuels), that once they are exhausted they are hazardous waste.
Good ideas here
We should be running cars on hydrogen, in my opinion. The roads would be constantly wet but meh.
Yes, and the explosions would be minor...