(12-08-2021, 11:55 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2021, 11:19 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Buddy. That's all YOU do. Check out Jags local media, twitter, national media and just about any other outlet of your choosing and you'll see that no one is behind Urban.
Even John Oesher who almost never says anything bad about the team or coaching... Even he is having doubts and appears to be questioning things.
https://www.jaguars.com/news/o-zone-dearly-beloved
A slightly bigger non-scientific sample is still a non-scientific sample.
Secondly, when has Khan ever made a decision by consulting public opinion? He doesn't need to do that. He owns the team and he has numerous current opportunities to move to another city and make much more money if the fans don't support the team here. So he doesn't need to consult Jaguar fans in order to make decisions. That's why it's absurd to think that your opinion matters when it comes to him making any decision.
Who said he does?
However, when fans are vocal, he most certainly hears it and sometimes (not all the time) it can effect coaching decisions.
(12-08-2021, 11:19 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2021, 10:52 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Since all we do is talk to each other, and maybe a few friends outside this message board, we don't know the answer to that question.
Regardless, when has Khan ever made a decision about this team by consulting public opinion? It's his team, and if the fans don't want to support it, he'll move it.
Buddy. That's all YOU do. Check out Jags local media, twitter, national media and just about any other outlet of your choosing and you'll see that no one is behind Urban.
Even John Oesher who almost never says anything bad about the team or coaching... Even he is having doubts and appears to be questioning things.
https://www.jaguars.com/news/o-zone-dearly-beloved
Yeah, he’s a company man. His responses are telling.
Ask Vic:
Jack from Jacksonville, FL
The past few postgame press conferences, Urban Meyer has given conflicting accounts about why his best player was glued to the bench during pivotal moments in multiple games. When confronted with these inconsistent statements, Meyer often says "good question" and defers to position coaches while insisting he is not a micromanager. Given his much publicized off-the-field indiscretions and now his admitted laissez faire approach to coaching, should Jaguars fans be concerned?
A friend of mine texted me a picture of the flip card from the press box on Sunday. The card had to be extended to accommodate the outrageous number of Jaguars assistant coaches and staff members listed at the bottom of the card. There were twice as many as the Rams listed, and the Rams are certainly not a bare-bones operation. The Jaguars have become comical. They have so many coaches the head coach doesn't even know why his best player isn't in the game. Shad Khan must repair this mess when the season is over.
(12-08-2021, 10:52 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2021, 10:38 AM)MIJagsFan Wrote: [ -> ]This is a legit question. You REALLY feel its "a few people on a message board"? Do you honestly believe there are more people who want Meyer to stay than to leave?
Since all we do is talk to each other, and maybe a few friends outside this message board, we don't know the answer to that question.
Regardless, when has Khan ever made a decision about this team by consulting public opinion? It's his team, and if the fans don't want to support it, he'll move it.
So then why would you say "a few people on a message board", if you don't have a way to answer that question?
(12-08-2021, 11:55 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2021, 11:19 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Buddy. That's all YOU do. Check out Jags local media, twitter, national media and just about any other outlet of your choosing and you'll see that no one is behind Urban.
Even John Oesher who almost never says anything bad about the team or coaching... Even he is having doubts and appears to be questioning things.
https://www.jaguars.com/news/o-zone-dearly-beloved
A slightly bigger non-scientific sample is still a non-scientific sample.
Secondly, when has Khan ever made a decision by consulting public opinion? He doesn't need to do that. He owns the team and he has numerous current opportunities to move to another city and make much more money if the fans don't support the team here. So he doesn't need to consult Jaguar fans in order to make decisions. That's why it's absurd to think that your opinion matters when it comes to him making any decision.
You're assuming none of his decisions are influenced by public opinion.
I'd wager it's a consideration, and at times maybe more than that.
I saw a poll recently on twitter that made it clear that jags fans are very unhappy with meyer.
I'd wager that is resonating in the Khan household.
(12-08-2021, 09:16 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Meyer: "Why am I being fired?"
Khan: "I know I just hired you, and you've only had one season, but there are a few people on a message board who say they represent "the fans" who want you fired, so I guess I have to do it. They sent me an email." I can't fire myself, so you're the next in line. Best of luck with the chop house business."
Meyer: [dumbfounded stare that we see every Sunday]
(12-08-2021, 09:30 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2021, 09:16 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Meyer: "Why am I being fired?"
Khan: "I know I just hired you, and you've only had one season, but there are a few people on a message board who say they represent "the fans" who want you fired, so I guess I have to do it. They sent me an email."
Khan: well, it started with your complete and utter failure to evaluate the roster that you inherited properly.
Then, granted a partnership with Trent Baalke to control personnel decisions of the team, you failed to upgrade any position on the roster except kick returner and rotational DT. Other position groups regressed. Things really starting to get shaky when you didn’t understand that a rookie quarterback would benefit greatly from a run game - you know - with that 1000 yard rusher you had lingering on the bench for the first two weeks of the season. But instead, you asked a rookie quarterback to fling the ball all over the field with a wide array of low completion percentage passes and we’ve watched the kid struggle week after week while you have no answer to help him. You were given a very rare opportunity to Utilize an abundance of cap Space and a wealth of capital. In the modern era of NFL football, we have seen general managers & head coaches in similar situations reverse the course of a struggling franchise in a short period of time. Not only were you unable to do this, you seem to have made this roster less competitive while implementing offensive game plans week after week that have analysts all over the country shaking their heads in dismay. I’ve searched for a glimmer of hope in your body of work thus far that would make me consider retaining you and allowing you an opportunity to redeem yourself. I have found no such glimmer. You have until the end of the week to clear out your things. Please leave your entry credentials with the security desk on your way out. Good luck.
FTFY
Don't you dare make Khan look smart in this whole thing.
Probably more "We're getting raked through the coals in the media, and that's the opposite of why I brought you in. I get paid whether we win or lose, just don't make me look like a fool, was that too much to ask?"
(12-08-2021, 10:38 AM)MIJagsFan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2021, 09:16 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Meyer: "Why am I being fired?"
Khan: "I know I just hired you, and you've only had one season, but there are a few people on a message board who say they represent "the fans" who want you fired, so I guess I have to do it. They sent me an email."
This is a legit question. You REALLY feel its "a few people on a message board"? Do you honestly believe there are more people who want Meyer to stay than to leave?
....or that the only reason the owner would justifiably fire this dude is because a section of the fanbase complained?
(12-08-2021, 11:55 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2021, 11:19 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Buddy. That's all YOU do. Check out Jags local media, twitter, national media and just about any other outlet of your choosing and you'll see that no one is behind Urban.
Even John Oesher who almost never says anything bad about the team or coaching... Even he is having doubts and appears to be questioning things.
https://www.jaguars.com/news/o-zone-dearly-beloved
A slightly bigger non-scientific sample is still a non-scientific sample.
Secondly, when has Khan ever made a decision by consulting public opinion? He doesn't need to do that. He owns the team and he has numerous current opportunities to move to another city and make much more money if the fans don't support the team here. So he doesn't need to consult Jaguar fans in order to make decisions. That's why it's absurd to think that your opinion matters when it comes to him making any decision.
we have no control over roster decisions either, so we should be apathetic about JRob being benched, too?
we have no control over Urbz's responses to or the questions from the media, so we should take it in stride when he drops another ASCII shrug when talking about the direction of his team?
we have no control over hiring and firings, so we should not care if Urban hires inept assistants and staff that are going to alienate his players?
Guess what? Chris Doyle was gone within a day due to public outcry over his hiring. Shad stressed public image after the Cayman Nebraska video went viral and fans and media were ranking the shiny new coach over the coals. Urbz has already told the media that he is going to be more hands-on with roster and depth decisions in the wake of JRob's situation (TBD whether that holds true). The media have their finger on the pulse of the fanbases of teams on which they report; if fans are asking the questions, they're going to be asking them, too. Shad's not going to want to look like a bonehead, whether it's in the eye of the lowly Duval fanbase or the talking heads in Bristol, CT.
I think you underestimate the impact of a vocal dissenting public, scientific sample or not.
(12-08-2021, 01:46 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Ask Vic:
Jack from Jacksonville, FL
The past few postgame press conferences, Urban Meyer has given conflicting accounts about why his best player was glued to the bench during pivotal moments in multiple games. When confronted with these inconsistent statements, Meyer often says "good question" and defers to position coaches while insisting he is not a micromanager. Given his much publicized off-the-field indiscretions and now his admitted laissez faire approach to coaching, should Jaguars fans be concerned?
A friend of mine texted me a picture of the flip card from the press box on Sunday. The card had to be extended to accommodate the outrageous number of Jaguars assistant coaches and staff members listed at the bottom of the card. There were twice as many as the Rams listed, and the Rams are certainly not a bare-bones operation. The Jaguars have become comical. They have so many coaches the head coach doesn't even know why his best player isn't in the game. Shad Khan must repair this mess when the season is over.
but he's (Vic, not you, biscuit!) just a curmudgeon to most people on this board.
(12-08-2021, 11:19 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2021, 10:52 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Since all we do is talk to each other, and maybe a few friends outside this message board, we don't know the answer to that question.
Regardless, when has Khan ever made a decision about this team by consulting public opinion? It's his team, and if the fans don't want to support it, he'll move it.
Buddy. That's all YOU do. Check out Jags local media, twitter, national media and just about any other outlet of your choosing and you'll see that no one is behind Urban.
Even John Oesher who almost never says anything bad about the team or coaching... Even he is having doubts and appears to be questioning things.
https://www.jaguars.com/news/o-zone-dearly-beloved
The answers of Oesher are very telling.
The answer about the impact of the Robinson situation being "big" speaks for itself.
This could be tied to Dilla's recent screenshot and posts which show It wont just be a locker room only issue (he even posted a text he got from an NFL player on the situation).
What a mess.
(12-06-2021, 12:21 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Come on, people. Shad Khan isn't going to fire a head coach who hasn't even finished his first season.
KABOOM!!
Great call, Marty. Oh, wait, that's me.