(02-12-2022, 07:24 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (02-12-2022, 01:23 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]The mandate for truck drivers who cross the border will be removed as all the other mandates are being gradually removed. But there's no way the Canadian government could remove it while the truckers were still blocking the border.
Huh?
Trudeau - “The mandate is lifted”
Everyone goes home.
That would set a precedent that would encourage people to think that they could blackmail a democratically elected government into doing whatever they want. It would invite mob rule.
(02-13-2022, 08:21 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (02-12-2022, 07:24 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Huh?
Trudeau - “The mandate is lifted”
Everyone goes home.
That would set a precedent that would encourage people to think that they could blackmail a democratically elected government into doing whatever they want. It would invite mob rule.
Agreed. Governments cannot give into this. Ask Portland, they know.
(02-12-2022, 12:49 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]The convoy is doing it all wrong. They need to loot, burn and destroy under the auspices of social justice. THEN, the government will support their actions.
Either strategy results in screwing business owners and their employees.
(02-13-2022, 11:09 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (02-12-2022, 12:49 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]The convoy is doing it all wrong. They need to loot, burn and destroy under the auspices of social justice. THEN, the government will support their actions.
Either strategy results in screwing business owners and their employees.
Both of which contribute to higher prices and supply shortages affecting everyone.
(02-13-2022, 08:21 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (02-12-2022, 07:24 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Huh?
Trudeau - “The mandate is lifted”
Everyone goes home.
That would set a precedent that would encourage people to think that they could blackmail a democratically elected government into doing whatever they want. It would invite mob rule.
Trudeau has science on his side to lift the mandates IF he chooses to use science. Biden too for that matter. The pandemic is now an endemic and it is time to start treating it as such.
(02-13-2022, 04:56 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (02-13-2022, 08:21 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]That would set a precedent that would encourage people to think that they could blackmail a democratically elected government into doing whatever they want. It would invite mob rule.
Trudeau has science on his side to lift the mandates IF he chooses to use science. Biden too for that matter. The pandemic is now an endemic and it is time to start treating it as such.
Of course, but he cannot do it while people are, figuratively speaking, holding a gun to his head.
If he did that, he would invite others to shut things down in order to get what they want. That's not how a free society with a democratically elected government should operate.
(02-14-2022, 07:34 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (02-13-2022, 04:56 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Trudeau has science on his side to lift the mandates IF he chooses to use science. Biden too for that matter. The pandemic is now an endemic and it is time to start treating it as such.
Of course, but he cannot do it while people are, figuratively speaking, holding a gun to his head.
If he did that, he would invite others to shut things down in order to get what they want. That's not how a free society with a democratically elected government should operate.
Except when a free society chooses to act this way because a 'democratically elected government' no longer acts as such.
(02-14-2022, 10:14 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ] (02-14-2022, 07:34 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Of course, but he cannot do it while people are, figuratively speaking, holding a gun to his head.
If he did that, he would invite others to shut things down in order to get what they want. That's not how a free society with a democratically elected government should operate.
Except when a free society chooses to act this way because a 'democratically elected government' no longer acts as such.
So you think mob rule is one of the acceptable characteristics of a free society?
(02-14-2022, 10:41 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (02-14-2022, 10:14 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Except when a free society chooses to act this way because a 'democratically elected government' no longer acts as such.
So you think mob rule is one of the acceptable characteristics of a free society?
This doesn't sound like 'mob rule' to me. Check the 'fiery protests' of 2020 if you want a definition of that. This seems basically peaceful. Certainly by comparison. Correct me if I may have missed an reported act of aggression or violence.
(02-14-2022, 10:50 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ] (02-14-2022, 10:41 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]So you think mob rule is one of the acceptable characteristics of a free society?
This doesn't sound like 'mob rule' to me. Check the 'fiery protests' of 2020 if you want a definition of that. This seems basically peaceful. Certainly by comparison. Correct me if I may have missed an reported act of aggression or violence.
You think it's okay for people to break the law in an attempt to force the government to do what they want, any time they don't agree with government policy?
(02-14-2022, 11:03 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (02-14-2022, 10:50 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]This doesn't sound like 'mob rule' to me. Check the 'fiery protests' of 2020 if you want a definition of that. This seems basically peaceful. Certainly by comparison. Correct me if I may have missed an reported act of aggression or violence.
You think it's okay for people to break the law in an attempt to force the government to do what they want, any time they don't agree with government policy?
if that's your definition, then include congressmen/women, senators, governors, presidents and countless government officials as participants in that philosophy.
(02-14-2022, 11:42 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ] (02-14-2022, 11:03 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]You think it's okay for people to break the law in an attempt to force the government to do what they want, any time they don't agree with government policy?
if that's your definition, then include congressmen/women, senators, governors, presidents and countless government officials as participants in that philosophy.
That's not an answer.
Do you think it's okay for people to break the law in an attempt to force the government to do what they want, any time they don't agree with government policy?
(02-14-2022, 11:52 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (02-14-2022, 11:42 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]if that's your definition, then include congressmen/women, senators, governors, presidents and countless government officials as participants in that philosophy.
That's not an answer.
Do you think it's okay for people to break the law in an attempt to force the government to do what they want, any time they don't agree with government policy?
In certain situations. Civil disobedience. I'm pretty sure MLK and others were charged with breaking the 'law' during the civil rights unrest.
(02-14-2022, 12:00 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ] (02-14-2022, 11:52 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]That's not an answer.
Do you think it's okay for people to break the law in an attempt to force the government to do what they want, any time they don't agree with government policy?
In certain situations. Civil disobedience. I'm pretty sure MLK and others were charged with breaking the 'law' during the civil rights unrest.
And he went to jail. Do you think people who engage in civil disobedience should go to jail?
(02-14-2022, 07:34 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (02-13-2022, 04:56 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Trudeau has science on his side to lift the mandates IF he chooses to use science. Biden too for that matter. The pandemic is now an endemic and it is time to start treating it as such.
Of course, but he cannot do it while people are, figuratively speaking, holding a gun to his head.
If he did that, he would invite others to shut things down in order to get what they want. That's not how a free society with a democratically elected government should operate.
You mean like in the 70’s when Canadian Truckers shut down the borders for 10 days until their demands were met?
(02-14-2022, 01:50 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (02-14-2022, 07:34 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Of course, but he cannot do it while people are, figuratively speaking, holding a gun to his head.
If he did that, he would invite others to shut things down in order to get what they want. That's not how a free society with a democratically elected government should operate.
You mean like in the 70’s when Canadian Truckers shut down the borders for 10 days until their demands were met?
Do you think anyone should be allowed to shut down the border until their demands are met?
What if BLM shut down the border until we met their demand that we defund the police? Would that be okay with you?
(02-14-2022, 01:25 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (02-14-2022, 12:00 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]In certain situations. Civil disobedience. I'm pretty sure MLK and others were charged with breaking the 'law' during the civil rights unrest.
And he went to jail. Do you think people who engage in civil disobedience should go to jail?
Not always. Do you think MLK should have gone to jail for peacefully marching for his civil rights?
(02-14-2022, 02:21 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ] (02-14-2022, 01:25 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]And he went to jail. Do you think people who engage in civil disobedience should go to jail?
Not always. Do you think MLK should have gone to jail for peacefully marching for his civil rights?
Any time he broke the law, he should have gone to jail, and he said so himself. He was willing to go to jail.
My opinion is, any time someone breaks the law they should suffer the penalties as set forth in the law.
Respectfully, 6 million Jews under the German Nazi regime would disagree with you. Im not trying to conflate this blockade with that, but this is how poison seeds of conformity are planted.