(02-19-2022, 10:45 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (02-18-2022, 01:28 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]between the accusations of breaking his kid's arm and verbally threatening/intimidating his g/f, yeah, I want no part of that waste of carbon. there's a pattern too coincidental to deny, regardless of whether charges were filed or not.
So if I accuse you of something with no proof or corroboration that should be enough to ban you from the board right?
There's definitely a pattern from your posts worth banning especially remembering my days from the politics section imo
think you have me confused with mikesez.
I like that you equate domestic abuse with message board posting. That says all that needs to be said, really. I'm not going to rehash the details of his past. You can read his wiki if you want. Maybe the two of them bring the worst out of each other, but it's not a pretty scene and I don't need to win enough to have someone like him on my team. YMMV.
(02-21-2022, 10:19 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (02-19-2022, 10:45 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]So if I accuse you of something with no proof or corroboration that should be enough to ban you from the board right?
There's definitely a pattern from your posts worth banning especially remembering my days from the politics section imo
think you have me confused with mikesez.
I like that you equate domestic abuse with message board posting. That says all that needs to be said, really. I'm not going to rehash the details of his past. You can read his wiki if you want. Maybe the two of them bring the worst out of each other, but it's not a pretty scene and I don't need to win enough to have someone like him on my team. YMMV.
I was thinking of mikesez... sucks getting old.
Anyway... innocent until proven guilty.
And really I don't care whether he's on the team or not. Not everyone is a boy scout. Not every baby mama is an angel. And every football team probably has a few questionable dudes on it. Everyone has a past that they can learn and grow from. Perhaps he did some bad stuff... what has he been charged with and what has he gotten into lately? That stuff matters. Hill and Rice aren't the same situation.
I'll be damned if I say a guy can't do his job... he is allowed to work in the NFL so he can play for us if our FO wants him.
and I was hoping this thread would die out....
(02-21-2022, 11:43 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]and I was hoping this thread would die out....
As soon as it does, I'll be starting a Lawrence on the trade block thread.
To recap, Josh Allen is not on the trade block.
Jags would be morons to entertain trading Josh Allen. That being said, we are the damn Jaguars.
(02-28-2022, 05:48 AM)JaguarWC Wrote: [ -> ]Jags would be morons to entertain trading Josh Allen. That being said, we are the damn Jaguars.
If they could somehow get a premium like they did for Ramsey, it would be a great move tbh. I like Allen, He's had moments here and there but he's not been all that great.
(03-08-2022, 04:20 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (02-28-2022, 05:48 AM)JaguarWC Wrote: [ -> ]Jags would be morons to entertain trading Josh Allen. That being said, we are the damn Jaguars.
If they could somehow get a premium like they did for Ramsey, it would be a great move tbh. I like Allen, He's had moments here and there but he's not been all that great.
You have got to be kidding. We traded Ramsey for CJ Henderson and K'Lavon Chaisson. You think that was a great move? A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
(03-08-2022, 07:10 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2022, 04:20 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]If they could somehow get a premium like they did for Ramsey, it would be a great move tbh. I like Allen, He's had moments here and there but he's not been all that great.
You have got to be kidding. We traded Ramsey for CJ Henderson and K'Lavon Chaisson. You think that was a great move? A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
I think what he was referring to was the fact that we got 2 first round picks for the guy. That was a good haul. The problem was that the front office squandered those those picks by reaching on bad players/fits when almost everyone on this board was in agreement at the time that we should've chosen Tristan Wirfs and Justin Jefferson with our 2020 first round selections. In actuality, the selections we received in the Ramsey deal were used on K'Lavon Chaisson, Travis Etienne and Jordan Smith. It's not like that's much better though. The problem wasn't the actual trade itself, it was who the front office chose with those picks. Chaisson has been a bust, Etienne got hurt with probably the worst non-life threatening injury a skill position player could suffer and Smith doesn't even see the field. A competent front office could've turned those picks into something really good.
(03-08-2022, 07:10 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2022, 04:20 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]If they could somehow get a premium like they did for Ramsey, it would be a great move tbh. I like Allen, He's had moments here and there but he's not been all that great.
You have got to be kidding. We traded Ramsey for CJ Henderson and K'Lavon Chaisson. You think that was a great move? A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
That's not what we traded Ramsey for. We got 2 1sts and a 4th. We could of gotten Wirfs and JJ on rookie deals which would of been way better than Ramsey
Wirfs and JJ was the top players on DJ or Kipers board at the time al9ng with most people on this board. Dj and Kiper>>>>>>>>>> DC. It just once again proved how bad Caldwell was at evaluating talent. One of the worst in the history of the league.
(03-08-2022, 10:06 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2022, 07:10 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]You have got to be kidding. We traded Ramsey for CJ Henderson and K'Lavon Chaisson. You think that was a great move? A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
That's not what we traded Ramsey for. We got 2 1sts and a 4th. We could of gotten Wirfs and JJ on rookie deals which would of been way better than Ramsey
Wirfs and JJ was the top players on DJ or Kipers board at the time al9ng with most people on this board. Dj and Kiper>>>>>>>>>> DC. It just once again proved how bad Caldwell was at evaluating talent. One of the worst in the history of the league.
Sure. We "could of" hit on both picks. How likely is that?
(03-08-2022, 10:06 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2022, 07:10 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]You have got to be kidding. We traded Ramsey for CJ Henderson and K'Lavon Chaisson. You think that was a great move? A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
That's not what we traded Ramsey for. We got 2 1sts and a 4th. We could of gotten Wirfs and JJ on rookie deals which would of been way better than Ramsey
Wirfs and JJ was the top players on DJ or Kipers board at the time al9ng with most people on this board. Dj and Kiper>>>>>>>>>> DC. It just once again proved how bad Caldwell was at evaluating talent. One of the worst in the history of the league.
You're missing the point.
Keeping a sure thing is safer than gambling that thing away for potential hits or misses.
(03-08-2022, 10:43 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2022, 10:06 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]That's not what we traded Ramsey for. We got 2 1sts and a 4th. We could of gotten Wirfs and JJ on rookie deals which would of been way better than Ramsey
Wirfs and JJ was the top players on DJ or Kipers board at the time al9ng with most people on this board. Dj and Kiper>>>>>>>>>> DC. It just once again proved how bad Caldwell was at evaluating talent. One of the worst in the history of the league.
You're missing the point.
Keeping a sure thing is safer than gambling that thing away for potential hits or misses.
That is generally true. In this case the player forced his way out. And so the point stands that those two number one picks could have been very good impact players for us except for the incompetence of our front office.
(03-08-2022, 07:10 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2022, 04:20 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]If they could somehow get a premium like they did for Ramsey, it would be a great move tbh. I like Allen, He's had moments here and there but he's not been all that great.
You have got to be kidding. We traded Ramsey for CJ Henderson and K'Lavon Chaisson. You think that was a great move? A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Totally agree. Plus, Allen is a grown up, not a spoiled diva.
(03-08-2022, 12:16 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2022, 10:43 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You're missing the point.
Keeping a sure thing is safer than gambling that thing away for potential hits or misses.
That is generally true. In this case the player forced his way out. And so the point stands that those two number one picks could have been very good impact players for us except for the incompetence of our front office.
Exactly. It was a steal what we got for Ramsey we just had the wrong GM. We don't need to trade Allen away
There is no future for this tean. You have to make Lawrence's first contract pay off. Why get future picks for this front office?
Support the coaches plans and get better. Allen is good enough and is talented.
(03-08-2022, 12:16 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2022, 10:43 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You're missing the point.
Keeping a sure thing is safer than gambling that thing away for potential hits or misses.
That is generally true. In this case the player forced his way out. And so the point stands that those two number one picks could have been very good impact players for us except for the incompetence of our front office.
If you are trying to turn from the general truth of the bird-in-hand concept toward a specific real world application of it - you should be turning toward the specifics of the Josh Allen scenario as he is the topic at hand. Not Ramsey.
While Ramsey forced his way out, we are under no such pressure from Allen and trading him for picks would be foolish IMO.
(03-08-2022, 01:58 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2022, 12:16 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]That is generally true. In this case the player forced his way out. And so the point stands that those two number one picks could have been very good impact players for us except for the incompetence of our front office.
Exactly. It was a steal what we got for Ramsey we just had the wrong GM. We don't need to trade Allen away
It wasn't a steal. It was market value.
Having the front office squander the picks is exactly why it would have been smarter to keep the player.
In Ramsey's case, keeping the player likely would have ultimately proven impossible.
(03-08-2022, 06:17 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2022, 12:16 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]That is generally true. In this case the player forced his way out. And so the point stands that those two number one picks could have been very good impact players for us except for the incompetence of our front office.
If you are trying to turn from the general truth of the bird-in-hand concept toward a specific real world application of it - you should be turning toward the specifics of the Josh Allen scenario as he is the topic at hand. Not Ramsey.
While Ramsey forced his way out, we are under no such pressure from Allen and trading him for picks would be foolish IMO.
The immediate context was your reply about flagatorsandjags comment about Ramsey. That's why I responded to it and not Josh Allen. I agree with you that we'd be crazy to trade Allen. It's why your statement is true as an operating principle.
(03-08-2022, 07:10 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2022, 04:20 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]If they could somehow get a premium like they did for Ramsey, it would be a great move tbh. I like Allen, He's had moments here and there but he's not been all that great.
You have got to be kidding. We traded Ramsey for CJ Henderson and K'Lavon Chaisson. You think that was a great move? A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Well for one, CJ Henderson was our original pick that year so it was Chaisson and ETN, but let me be clear. Our GM picked crappy players, we could have drafted Wirfs - justin jefferson that year if Caldwell was me lmao.