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(03-08-2022, 03:42 AM)captivating Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-08-2022, 02:01 AM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]We're producing less oil in America, which is contributing to the high has prices.  There are lots of things the U.S. could have done before the Ukraine invasion, like the Keystone pipeline and more drilling in Texas, Alaska, and the Dakotas. Heck, if Biden announced that he was willing to do this, that alone would calm the markets and bring prices down. 

Anyone who doesn't think Biden bears responsibility for this mess is fooling themselves.

In April 2020, oil future dropped to -$37 a barrel.  They were paying you -$37 to take possession of a barrel of oil.  Why didn't the Government at the time step in a buy a huge inventory of oil.  They could have continued to buy at $16 a barrel.

I guess the MSM focus then was on how many people the Gov was killing due to their 'hideous mishandling' of the Pandemic. They would have gone ape [BLEEP] if the government prioritized spending money on anything else.

(03-08-2022, 07:07 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Biden is caught between 3 competing ideas: fighting inflation, cutting off Russian oil, and fighting climate change.

Cutting off Russian oil would would require a collective effort by all the Western democracies, not just the US. But if they managed to do that, the price of oil would probably go over $150 a barrel, and that would cause massive inflation and recession, and damage public support for helping Ukraine.

Presidents are often faced with a situation where they have to thread that needle. It's what made Lincoln such a great President: he managed to constantly balance competing interests.

If the standard you are setting here is Biden v. Lincoln, then we are doomed.
(03-08-2022, 03:42 AM)captivating Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-08-2022, 02:01 AM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]We're producing less oil in America, which is contributing to the high has prices.  There are lots of things the U.S. could have done before the Ukraine invasion, like the Keystone pipeline and more drilling in Texas, Alaska, and the Dakotas. Heck, if Biden announced that he was willing to do this, that alone would calm the markets and bring prices down. 

Anyone who doesn't think Biden bears responsibility for this mess is fooling themselves.

In April 2020, oil future dropped to -$37 a barrel.  They were paying you -$37 to take possession of a barrel of oil.  Why didn't the Government at the time step in a buy a huge inventory of oil.  They could have continued to buy at $16 a barrel.

Pretty sure all of the storage facilities, including the government owned ones, were full at that point. That's why the price was so ridiculous.
Biden has decided to ban Russian oil imports. It's fixing to get real y'all. 

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(03-08-2022, 12:42 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Biden has decided to ban Russian oil imports. It's fixing to get real y'all. 

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Hurry and just die of old age already.

Ukraine gives us nothing. They're not an ally. They're just a rich oligarchy that decided to spend all their money on dachas instead of a military.

I on the other hand, cannot afford $7 a gallon gas and would easily and readily go to war over that.

Also love that the old dumb female dog (Biden) said this is a way to hurt Putin.

Putin is richer than your little crackhead son Hunter you little [BLEEP] boy. He will never be hurt by this. He doesn't care about his people - just like your dumb [BLEEP] [BLEEP] doesn't. [BLEEP] Biden. [BLEEP] anyone that voted for him.
(03-08-2022, 01:31 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-08-2022, 12:42 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Biden has decided to ban Russian oil imports. It's fixing to get real y'all. 

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Hurry and just die of old age already.

Ukraine gives us nothing. They're not an ally. They're just a rich oligarchy that decided to spend all their money on dachas instead of a military.

I on the other hand, cannot afford $7 a gallon gas and would easily and readily go to war over that.

Also love that the old dumb female dog (Biden) said this is a way to hurt Putin.

Putin is richer than your little crackhead son Hunter you little [BLEEP] boy. He will never be hurt by this. He doesn't care about his people - just like your dumb [BLEEP] [BLEEP] doesn't. [BLEEP] Biden. [BLEEP] anyone that voted for him.

Let Kackela Hyena take over. Then after she finishes the job of running the country into the ground, the Dems wont have anyone to run in 2024, except for Boobegieg. Clean sweep!

Seriously, this may end up the way the lone Carter Administration did. Inflation was out of control. We had high profile foreign policy failures. There was an oil/energy crisis not unlike what we are facing now. Dems lost the POTUS for 3 terms. Lost the Senate in 1980 until 1986.
(03-08-2022, 01:31 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-08-2022, 12:42 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Biden has decided to ban Russian oil imports. It's fixing to get real y'all. 

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Hurry and just die of old age already.

Ukraine gives us nothing. They're not an ally. They're just a rich oligarchy that decided to spend all their money on dachas instead of a military.

I on the other hand, cannot afford $7 a gallon gas and would easily and readily go to war over that.

Also love that the old dumb female dog (Biden) said this is a way to hurt Putin.

Putin is richer than your little crackhead son Hunter you little [BLEEP] boy. He will never be hurt by this. He doesn't care about his people - just like your dumb [BLEEP] [BLEEP] doesn't. [BLEEP] Biden. [BLEEP] anyone that voted for him.

All this and gas went up from $3.99 to $4.19 at my gas station soon after Bidet's announcement. It will now cost $96 to fill my tank.
(03-08-2022, 11:56 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-08-2022, 03:42 AM)captivating Wrote: [ -> ]In April 2020, oil future dropped to -$37 a barrel.  They were paying you -$37 to take possession of a barrel of oil.  Why didn't the Government at the time step in a buy a huge inventory of oil.  They could have continued to buy at $16 a barrel.

I guess the MSM focus then was on how many people the Gov was killing due to their 'hideous mishandling' of the Pandemic.  They would have gone ape [BLEEP] if the government prioritized spending money on anything else.

(03-08-2022, 07:07 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Biden is caught between 3 competing ideas: fighting inflation, cutting off Russian oil, and fighting climate change. 

Cutting off Russian oil would would require a collective effort by all the Western democracies, not just the US.  But if they managed to do that, the price of oil would probably go over $150 a barrel, and that would cause massive inflation and recession, and damage public support for helping Ukraine. 

Presidents are often faced with a situation where they have to thread that needle.  It's what made Lincoln such a great President: he managed to constantly balance competing interests.

If the standard you are setting here is Biden v. Lincoln, then we are doomed.

Obviously, I was not comparing Biden and Lincoln.  I was simply saying, being a successful President often comes from managing two conflicting things.  

Biden is caught between his desire to punish Putin and his desire to keep the left wing of his party under control.  To me, the best thing he can do would be to send a strong signal that he intends to increase domestic production of oil.  But that would cause a rebellion in the left wing of his party.   

And interestingly, the same people who criticize Biden for high gas prices pushed him to cut off Russian oil, which will push gas prices even higher.  

It takes a great politician to be a great President.  It's why I don't like electing non-politicians to public office.
I can see how this politicianing is making our country better. Life is so much easier now that we have people with great character leading our country.
(03-05-2022, 04:19 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Who spends that much on groceries anyway. I go twice a month and my total bill is like $300. Buy generic brands. They're almost always just as good. I'll never starve. I have a pond full of fish and woods full of tasty varmints.

Late to this discussion but wanted to add my two cents lol. That's a lot of money though I do know people who have bills like that. Interestingly enough some of the people that I know of who have that type of bill are elderly couple who live by themselves. I do wonder if they are sharing some of that food with grown children/other relatives and their families. I grew up in a large family with six kids and we never (even when you adjust for inflation) ate that much money in food. But we weren't hungry or anything. My dad knew how to cook and that helped a lot.

(03-05-2022, 06:07 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]It's always going up. Like Oline pointed out though. If you're not overly picky about "organic" this or "cage free, no hormones" that? You can find plenty of options meal wise to get by on a relatively light budget. I do most of the cooking at my house anyway so my wife doesn't complain. I like buying the same [BLEEP] over and over and just making things in bulk to eat throughout the week.

Chicken and Dumplings
Beef Stew
Breakfast Bowl
Chili
Smoked Chicken or Ribs
Canned or Frozen Vegetables
Hotdogs and homestyle Fries
Spinach alfredo sauce and Pasta

All of that is relatively inexpensive if you shop right and if you have a crockpot or two laying around the house you can put most of this [BLEEP] in a pot, let it sit all day and be done with it. Just buy spices and seasoning so the [BLEEP] doesn't taste bland. Also, you can save money by making your own [BLEEP] from scratch. I make dumplings with cake flour, a pinch of salt, a little bit of milk and some baking powder. I can probably get 6 - 8 rounds of dumplings out of that Vs. buying a can of biscuits every time. They taste better too.

(03-05-2022, 03:43 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-05-2022, 06:07 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]It's always going up. Like Oline pointed out though. If you're not overly picky about "organic" this or "cage free, no hormones" that? You can find plenty of options meal wise to get by on a relatively light budget. I do most of the cooking at my house anyway so my wife doesn't complain. I like buying the same [BLEEP] over and over and just making things in bulk to eat throughout the week.

Exactly. For instance I save money by looking what kind of meat is on sale that week. I buy ground beef instead of ground chuck or ground round. I buy chicken thighs instead of chicken breasts, not only because they are much cheaper, but because at the grocery stores near me, I the chicken aisles have nearly been wiped out of all the premium (white meat) cuts of chicken. I will buy a family size pack of chicken thighs and then I take it home and break it down into packs of 2 each. I have a cheap vacuum sealer and I put them in the deep freeze. When I do this, I get meals for pennies on the dollar. Always buy meat in bulk and break it down when you get home and portion it out. The savings is ridiculous. I buy whole pork loins and break them down into butterfly chops as well. I can get 5-8 meals off of one $12 pork loin, depending on how thick you cut them. I was raised in the country as well, so I'm not opposed to eating some things other people might not even look at. I love chicken gizzards and hearts. You can buy those dirt cheap. 

There is also a grocery store near me that is in an out of the way, small town that only the residents know about. They have the best tasting meat and they have a daily sale case that they keep stocked all the time (everything there is still in date.) All the meat in the case is 5 packs for $20. They can have anything from ground beef to strip steaks to Turkey legs, to pork roast to sausage to chicken breast and many more. I'll go there like 3 times a year and spend like $200 and I get a ton of meat. I then bring it home and package it up for the deep freeze. I have quality meat year round for cheap. My whole family goes there to get meat. The beef is very good. In fact, I quit buying beef from the large chain grocery closer to my house, because the meat started having no flavor and had the consistency of shoe leather. The stuff I buy now always comes out tender and juicy.

Yeah, and there is noting wrong with store brand stuff. Some store brand stuff tastes better than the name brand stuff IMO. I've liked some store brand stuff like food lion and some of the higher ends stores stuff like Lowes Food and Harris's Teeter's brand better than some of the name brand stuff. Some store brand stuff is healthier as well. 

Making home cooked meals is also a good idea. It often tastes better and is usually cheaper and healthier. I love Chicken Thighs and think they are best part of the chicken. They are cheaper and juicer than the other parts of the chicken. I like to buy them and cook with them. Ground Turkey is cheaper where I live then ground beef/beef product sometimes. So that maybe can be an option for people at times, if it's cheaper where they live. Take advantage of sales and coupons. The food lions where I live often have close out sales or manager specials, those are things that people can look for at their local grocery stores. Sometimes Food Lion will have meat on sale at very good prices, including healthier meets like vegetarian fed meats. People here don't eat that as much and often times those meats will go on sale. I know everyone may not eat Pork for various reasons, but if you do/can eat it, that's a cheaper meat to eat at times. And sometimes you can find certain types of beef for cheap as well. 

I recently found some store brand (Taste of Inspirations) frappucino style coffee drinks for .90 each. They taste about as good as the Starbucks brand and are like 1/3 (if not more) of Starbuck's price. The Taste of Inspiration brand is like Food Lion's higher end store brand, but often times I can find cheaper products from that brand in closeout sales from the store. That brand has a lot of tasty products in it.

Walmart still has a lot of very cheap products. Their cheeses were pretty cheap here including stuff like goat cheese, though I suspect that will go up. Publix isn't really cheap no matter how you slice or dice it lol. I really only go there for their subs, or some desserts like ice cream (and I recently found some on sale), frozen yogurt and I used to buy immune shooters from them. Other than that I don't buy a bunch of groceries from Publix. Cheaper, more local grocery stores could be the way to go if people have them around. 

I'm also fortunate to be able to shop at the Commissary on base sometimes. The food there is way cheaper than anywhere else. They had bacon there recently under $3. And they have small packs of chicken legs and thighs for under $2 and $3.  Some of them will let people enter them with a family member or friend, who has an ID Card. Granted you may have to give the money to your family member/friend to pay (the one near me is fine with people doing that), but that may be an alternative, for people near military communities who can get on a base. Though I know that isn't an option for most people. 

People may have to change the way they shop. More people may have to take the time when they can get it and just go in a store and meal plan based off of what's on sell. The days of just throwing any and everything in a shopping cart (like some people do) and not checking how much it cost may not be over for some right now.
I cook every single meal we eat and we eat everything. Neither of our parents raised us to be wasteful.

I don't understand people who eat out several times a week.
(03-09-2022, 05:27 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]I cook every single meal we eat and we eat everything. Neither of our parents raised us to be wasteful.

I don't understand people who eat out several times a week.

I literally cook everything from scratch..

From pasta to butter.

It still costs a [BLEEP] ton of money for a family... and Biden's [BLEEP] elitism isn't helping.
(03-09-2022, 05:29 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-09-2022, 05:27 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]I cook every single meal we eat and we eat everything. Neither of our parents raised us to be wasteful.

I don't understand people who eat out several times a week.

I literally cook everything from scratch..

From pasta to butter.

It still costs a [BLEEP] ton of money for a family... and Biden's [BLEEP] elitism isn't helping.

It's been lots of fun listening to the $16 million dollar man Colbert tell us how he's happy to 'sacrifice for Ukraine' and pay even up to $15 per gallon, and if that's too much for the rest of us, then we can always just buy an EV. Tone deaf elitism never gets old, i suppose. Why hasn't this guy been raked over the coals by his own liberal kind as a white privileged paternalist? Hypothetical question for sure; we already know why.
(03-09-2022, 05:29 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-09-2022, 05:27 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]I cook every single meal we eat and we eat everything. Neither of our parents raised us to be wasteful.

I don't understand people who eat out several times a week.

I literally cook everything from scratch..

From pasta to butter.

It still costs a [BLEEP] ton of money for a family... and Biden's [BLEEP] elitism isn't helping.

You make butter? That's awesome. I need to learn how to make heavy cream. It's getting hard to find it in stores and I use it daily as creamer in my coffee.
(03-09-2022, 05:44 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-09-2022, 05:29 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]I literally cook everything from scratch..

From pasta to butter.

It still costs a [BLEEP] ton of money for a family... and Biden's [BLEEP] elitism isn't helping.

It's been lots of fun listening to the $16 million dollar man Colbert tell us how he's happy to 'sacrifice for Ukraine' and pay even up to $15 per gallon, and if that's too much for the rest of us, then we can always just buy an EV.  Tone deaf elitism never gets old, i suppose.  Why hasn't this guy been raked over the coals by his own liberal kind as a white privileged paternalist?  Hypothetical question for sure; we already know why.

I come from a military family... not one of them would sacrifice our livelihoods for another country. They risked their lives in actual war. It's a little different. One makes sure your kids are okay.. the other makes sure politicians can get elected.
(03-09-2022, 05:27 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]I cook every single meal we eat and we eat everything. Neither of our parents raised us to be wasteful.

I don't understand people who eat out several times a week.

If I eat out, it normally consist of eating in my car after going through the drive-up window and ordering off the value menu.
(03-09-2022, 05:44 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-09-2022, 05:29 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]I literally cook everything from scratch..

From pasta to butter.

It still costs a [BLEEP] ton of money for a family... and Biden's [BLEEP] elitism isn't helping.

It's been lots of fun listening to the $16 million dollar man Colbert tell us how he's happy to 'sacrifice for Ukraine' and pay even up to $15 per gallon, and if that's too much for the rest of us, then we can always just buy an EV.  Tone deaf elitism never gets old, i suppose.  Why hasn't this guy been raked over the coals by his own liberal kind as a white privileged paternalist?  Hypothetical question for sure; we already know why.

Both of my family vehicles get 40 mpg.  I saw this coming.  A lot of people saw it coming. 
Ever since the 1970s, no one should have ever stopped paying attention to fuel economy. 
We should have done a better job zoning for mass transit and high density housing.  There are a lot of people who would live in places where people don't need cars, if we built more places like that.  I'd stay in the burbs, but many would not.  
But complaining does us no good at this juncture.  Let's get to work.
(03-09-2022, 05:29 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-09-2022, 05:27 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]I cook every single meal we eat and we eat everything. Neither of our parents raised us to be wasteful.

I don't understand people who eat out several times a week.

I literally cook everything from scratch..

From pasta to butter.

It still costs a [BLEEP] ton of money for a family... and Biden's [BLEEP] elitism isn't helping.

Are you Amish?  I remember visiting Landcaster as a kid.  I’m guessing your not Amish, live in Landcaster or churn your own butter.  If you do, major kudos,sir!

(03-09-2022, 08:22 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-09-2022, 05:44 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]It's been lots of fun listening to the $16 million dollar man Colbert tell us how he's happy to 'sacrifice for Ukraine' and pay even up to $15 per gallon, and if that's too much for the rest of us, then we can always just buy an EV.  Tone deaf elitism never gets old, i suppose.  Why hasn't this guy been raked over the coals by his own liberal kind as a white privileged paternalist?  Hypothetical question for sure; we already know why.

Both of my family vehicles get 40 mpg. g.  A lot of people saw it coming. 
Ever since the 1970s, no one should have ever stopped paying attention to fuel economy. 
We should have done a better job zoning for mass transit and high density housing.  There are a lot of people who would live in places where people don't need cars, if we built more places like that.  I'd stay in the burbs, but many would not.  
But complaining does us no good at this juncture.  Let's get to work.

To the bold:  you don’t say!

But I am sure you did see it coming.

(03-09-2022, 08:00 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-09-2022, 05:27 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]I cook every single meal we eat and we eat everything. Neither of our parents raised us to be wasteful.

I don't understand people who eat out several times a week.

If I eat out, it normally consist of eating in my car after going through the drive-up window and ordering off the value menu.

I very rarely eat fast food.  But when I do, I want to pull off and eat it.  My wife wants to drive and eat.  Drives me nuts.  It’s stupid, for one, unsafe for another.  I’d rather arrive hungry than dead.  Good grief
(03-09-2022, 08:27 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-09-2022, 05:29 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]I literally cook everything from scratch..

From pasta to butter.

It still costs a [BLEEP] ton of money for a family... and Biden's [BLEEP] elitism isn't helping.

Are you Amish?  I remember visiting Landcaster as a kid.  I’m guessing your not Amish, live in Landcaster or churn your own butter.  If you do, major kudos,sir!

(03-09-2022, 08:22 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Both of my family vehicles get 40 mpg. g.  A lot of people saw it coming. 
Ever since the 1970s, no one should have ever stopped paying attention to fuel economy. 
We should have done a better job zoning for mass transit and high density housing.  There are a lot of people who would live in places where people don't need cars, if we built more places like that.  I'd stay in the burbs, but many would not.  
But complaining does us no good at this juncture.  Let's get to work.

To the bold:  you don’t say!

But I am sure you did see it coming.

(03-09-2022, 08:00 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]If I eat out, it normally consist of eating in my car after going through the drive-up window and ordering off the value menu.

I very rarely eat fast food.  But when I do, I want to pull off and eat it.  My wife wants to drive and eat.  Drives me nuts.  It’s stupid, for one, unsafe for another.  I’d rather arrive hungry than dead.  Good grief

I can't eat and drive. I'm not that coordinated. I'd end up in a ditch.
(03-09-2022, 09:52 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-09-2022, 08:27 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]Are you Amish?  I remember visiting Landcaster as a kid.  I’m guessing your not Amish, live in Landcaster or churn your own butter.  If you do, major kudos,sir!


To the bold:  you don’t say!

But I am sure you did see it coming.


I very rarely eat fast food.  But when I do, I want to pull off and eat it.  My wife wants to drive and eat.  Drives me nuts.  It’s stupid, for one, unsafe for another.  I’d rather arrive hungry than dead.  Good grief

I can't eat and drive. I'm not that coordinated. I'd end up in a ditch.

Lol. That makes two of us.
Gas went up to $4.39 yesterday at the beach. No end in sight either.
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