(03-14-2022, 04:52 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]No, I in fact do not think a new playbook was drafted to end the year. But I do think that Bevell was either calling poor plays, not asserting his position with his head coach, or using a flawed playbook during his time as OC. It's highly likely that it was one or more of these causes for the poor offensive showing we had for weeks on end. I'll grant that the megalomaniac in charge previously would hamstring any coach, but either Bevell was unable to find plays in the book that agreed with both our roster's ability and the coach's vision, he did not take effort to convince the coach to take his recommended plays each week into the gameplan, or just tried to force the team to do things that did not suit them.
To add to your point. It is extraordinarily rare for a playbook to dramatically change or shift during the course of the season. These is too much terminology, timing and systems in place to install, practice and perfect major changes during a season -- even during a bye week.
It may be possible to emphasize different parts of a playbook that were not previously, or build on specific concepts over the course of several weeks. But whole sale shifts do not typically happen.
Better headline: Pederson plans to repair damaged caused to Franchise QB by supremely incompetent former Head Coach/Scratching Post and horrifically bad offensive play caller.
You guys have your opinions on Bev and I'll keep mine. But with him calling plays, the Seahawks got to back-to-back Super Bowls, winning the first, and he'll become an offensive coordinator again, calling plays again. It's too bad he carried the stigma of Meyer here, but growth has come out of that season, both for Bevell and the players and other staff he worked with.
(03-15-2022, 04:33 PM)JaggedSioux Wrote: [ -> ]You guys have your opinions on Bev and I'll keep mine. But with him calling plays, the Seahawks got to back-to-back Super Bowls, winning the first, and he'll become an offensive coordinator again, calling plays again. It's too bad he carried the stigma of Meyer here, but growth has come out of that season, both for Bevell and the players and other staff he worked with.
You're just gonna ignore his time with the Vikings and Lions?
No one is arguing he got to 2 SB's, but they had the No. 1 defense both years and No 1 and 4th TO ratio both years. Plus the Packers completely falling overselves to lose that second NFC title game.
You cannot credit him with that peak and ignore the rest of his resume.
(03-15-2022, 04:41 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2022, 04:33 PM)JaggedSioux Wrote: [ -> ]You guys have your opinions on Bev and I'll keep mine. But with him calling plays, the Seahawks got to back-to-back Super Bowls, winning the first, and he'll become an offensive coordinator again, calling plays again. It's too bad he carried the stigma of Meyer here, but growth has come out of that season, both for Bevell and the players and other staff he worked with.
You're just gonna ignore his time with the Vikings and Lions?
No one is arguing he got to 2 SB's, but they had the No. 1 defense both years and No 1 and 4th TO ratio both years. Plus the Packers completely falling overselves to lose that second NFC title game.
You cannot credit him with that peak and ignore the rest of his resume.
Not ignoring anything. With the Vikes, he helped them get within a game of the Super Bowl, but the Saints resorted to being headhunters and the whole Bountygate fiasco. Favre throwing across his body for the game-sealing interception didn't help matters.
HOF QB Favre and SB champion Matt Stafford have both openly credited Bevell and his play design.
And of course the Hawks had a great defense,but with fewer dollars of the salary cap going his way, Bev consistently put together offenses in Seattle that finished in the top 10 DVOA, allwhile fostering the development of Russell Wilson. You don't get to two straight Super Bowls without a highly functioning offense.
Bevell is trash. JaggedSue is a looney stalker type who probably has Bevell's dirty drawers hanging framed on his wall.
(03-15-2022, 05:22 PM)JaggedSioux Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2022, 04:41 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]You're just gonna ignore his time with the Vikings and Lions?
No one is arguing he got to 2 SB's, but they had the No. 1 defense both years and No 1 and 4th TO ratio both years. Plus the Packers completely falling overselves to lose that second NFC title game.
You cannot credit him with that peak and ignore the rest of his resume.
Not ignoring anything. With the Vikes, he helped them get within a game of the Super Bowl, but the Saints resorted to being headhunters and the whole Bountygate fiasco. Favre throwing across his body for the game-sealing interception didn't help matters.
HOF QB Favre and SB champion Matt Stafford have both openly credited Bevell and his play design.
And of course the Hawks had a great defense,but with fewer dollars of the salary cap going his way, Bev consistently put together offenses in Seattle that finished in the top 10 DVOA, allwhile fostering the development of Russell Wilson. You don't get to two straight Super Bowls without a highly functioning offense.
Play Design is
not the same thing as Play Calling.
(03-15-2022, 05:30 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Bevell is trash. JaggedSue is a looney stalker type who probably has Bevell's dirty drawers hanging framed on his wall.
You're kind of goofy, aren't you?
(03-15-2022, 05:34 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2022, 05:22 PM)JaggedSioux Wrote: [ -> ]Not ignoring anything. With the Vikes, he helped them get within a game of the Super Bowl, but the Saints resorted to being headhunters and the whole Bountygate fiasco. Favre throwing across his body for the game-sealing interception didn't help matters.
HOF QB Favre and SB champion Matt Stafford have both openly credited Bevell and his play design.
And of course the Hawks had a great defense,but with fewer dollars of the salary cap going his way, Bev consistently put together offenses in Seattle that finished in the top 10 DVOA, allwhile fostering the development of Russell Wilson. You don't get to two straight Super Bowls without a highly functioning offense.
Play Design is not the same thing as Play Calling.
Fully aware
To me Bevell didn’t adapt to the talent we had, he just implemented his system. We know our wr’s struggled to get get seperation in man coverage yet you rarely seen play’s schematically designed to beat man coverage. There wasn’t enough of rub routes, crossing routes to beat man coverage vs. relying on guys to win.1 on 1.
(03-15-2022, 05:50 PM)Adub28 Wrote: [ -> ]To me Bevell didn’t adapt to the talent we had, he just implemented his system. We know our wr’s struggled to get get seperation in man coverage yet you rarely seen play’s schematically designed to beat man coverage. There wasn’t enough of rub routes, crossing routes to beat man coverage vs. relying on guys to win.1 on 1.
The funny play where Shenault slips into his receiving partner was ironically designed as a rub/crossing route.
(03-15-2022, 05:44 PM)JaggedSioux Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2022, 05:30 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Bevell is trash. JaggedSue is a looney stalker type who probably has Bevell's dirty drawers hanging framed on his wall.
You're kind of goofy, aren't you?
(03-15-2022, 05:34 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]Play Design is not the same thing as Play Calling.
Fully aware
Says Darrell Bevell's stalker.
(03-15-2022, 05:50 PM)Adub28 Wrote: [ -> ]To me Bevell didn’t adapt to the talent we had, he just implemented his system. We know our wr’s struggled to get get seperation in man coverage yet you rarely seen play’s schematically designed to beat man coverage. There wasn’t enough of rub routes, crossing routes to beat man coverage vs. relying on guys to win.1 on 1.
On Bevell's behalf, the WR's in the last half of the season were so poor at the routes they were running, it may have been hard to perform rub/crossing routes correctly.
Prehaps we need to get sponsored by flextape to help pederson fix the cracks
(03-15-2022, 07:38 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ]Prehaps we need to get sponsored by flextape to help pederson fix the cracks
....that or the local proctologist.