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(04-21-2022, 03:23 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Free agency/Draft aside, who do you think steps up big time this coming season and why? (For the sake of this being a diverse conversation, let's leave Trevor out of it I think most of us expect him to improve)


For me it's easy, Tyson Campbell. He was our best rookie by seasons end and showed some real skill and not only that, dude has the size and speed to boot. 
Honorable mentions: Walker Little & Andre Cisco

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Josh allen
Campbell and Etienne

(04-21-2022, 06:43 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ]Josh allen
Campbell and Etienne

If a classical definition exists for "breakout year," and I'm not sure it does, it typically excludes guys who have had an impressive season prior.

If you subscribe to that supposed definition, Allen is probably off the table.

But, I agree, he's a candidate to have a productive season in 2022.

(04-21-2022, 06:52 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-21-2022, 06:43 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ]Josh allen
Campbell and Etienne

If a classical definition exists for "breakout year," and I'm not sure it does, it typically excludes guys who have had an impressive season prior.

If you subscribe to that supposed definition, Allen is probably off the table.

But, I agree, he's a candidate to have a productive season in 2022.

For Allen to break out this year, to me he needs 14 to 15 sacks and 1st team All Pro.  Then I would consider that a breakout for Allen

(04-21-2022, 07:17 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-21-2022, 06:52 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]If a classical definition exists for "breakout year," and I'm not sure it does, it typically excludes guys who have had an impressive season prior.

If you subscribe to that supposed definition, Allen is probably off the table.

But, I agree, he's a candidate to have a productive season in 2022.

For Allen to break out this year, to me he needs 14 to 15 sacks and 1st team All Pro.  Then I would consider that a breakout for Allen

I would be happy if Allen could get to 10 sacks this season 14+ and we are talking all pro!

(04-21-2022, 07:20 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-21-2022, 07:17 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]For Allen to break out this year, to me he needs 14 to 15 sacks and 1st team All Pro.  Then I would consider that a breakout for Allen

I would be happy if Allen could get to 10 sacks this season 14+ and we are talking all pro!

Thats what I said, All Pro.  He got 10.5 his rookie year and made the Pro Bowl

Assuming we draft Hutchinson, I also believe Josh Allen will have double digit sacks in 2022. I also think Foye Oluokun is gonna have a big year at ILB, but since we aren't counting free agents, I'm guessing Hutchinson, unless we draft someone other than Hutchinson #1. Then all bets are off.

(04-21-2022, 10:34 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-21-2022, 10:14 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]You have to be kidding.  Is that a serious question?

Production plus talent.  Speed, acceleration, home run hitting ability, and massive production.

Watch his college highlight reel, and note the acceleration.

Yet he lasted to our pick?

I just don't see it and I've watched the highlights. I see defenses in dime or nickel with zone coverages, never run attack schemes, when he makes those "home runs". They were playing to stop Trevor. Etienne was an afterthought.

Uhhh.....can't you say that of every Jaguars draft pick?  If he didn't last to our pick, how could we pick him?!?!?!!

(04-21-2022, 09:39 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]I'm curious what part of Etienne's game you guys saw in College that makes you think he would have had success even without his linsfranc.

I really hope you're one of the people who railed me for my take on Trevor in college, because while watching Clemson football to scout Lawrence pre-draft all I saw was absolute brilliance from ETN. No clue how the injury will affect him, but he would have most definitely been a big time player without it.

(04-22-2022, 12:21 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-21-2022, 09:39 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]I'm curious what part of Etienne's game you guys saw in College that makes you think he would have had success even without his linsfranc.

I really hope you're one of the people who railed me for my take on Trevor in college, because while watching Clemson football to scout Lawrence pre-draft all I saw was absolute brilliance from ETN. No clue how the injury will affect him, but he would have most definitely been a big time player without it.

It's easy playing both sides huh? "ahh if ETN is good, I knew/seen it all along... If he isn't any good, it definitely was only because of his injury".

Win-Win baby this [BLEEP] is easy. Can't ever be wrong when you already got an excuse to back up every take you make.

(04-21-2022, 06:52 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-21-2022, 06:43 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ]Josh allen
Campbell and Etienne

If a classical definition exists for "breakout year," and I'm not sure it does, it typically excludes guys who have had an impressive season prior.

If you subscribe to that supposed definition, Allen is probably off the table.

But, I agree, he's a candidate to have a productive season in 2022.

I don't think Allen has lived up to his expectations thus far, while I do think a 10 sack rookie season is impressive I think you could say he had a "breakout season" if he was to come out and go for 14-16 sacks for sure.

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(04-22-2022, 01:57 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-22-2022, 12:21 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]I really hope you're one of the people who railed me for my take on Trevor in college, because while watching Clemson football to scout Lawrence pre-draft all I saw was absolute brilliance from ETN. No clue how the injury will affect him, but he would have most definitely been a big time player without it.

It's easy playing both sides huh? "ahh if ETN is good, I knew/seen it all along... If he isn't any good, it definitely was only because of his injury".

Win-Win baby this [BLEEP] is easy. Can't ever be wrong when you already got an excuse to back up every take you make.

My point was that, if the guy who was saying ETN wouldn't be good with or without the injury must have not watched much of Clemsons play when Trevor was there because ETN was one of those guys that you just notice his ability when watching him play. I think ETN is an amazing player the only thing I'm worried about is how the injury affects him. What exactly are you trying to say? lol.

This isn't the same thing as me claiming Trevor was underwelming in college compared to the hype he got. This is me simply saying that I have very little doubt that ETN would transition to the pros and be a good player. His injury dosen't change my opinion of him. I was one of the people on the board during the draft who didn't get mad when we took him. The injury was unfortunate i'm extremely hopeful that he will still be himself post-injury since he's so young.

With the TE spotlight on acquired free agent Evan Engram, I think Dan Arnold is going to be the one to shine this year.

Kind of sad that nobody listed Chaisson.  What a terrible pick --- so far we got nothing in exchange for Jalen Ramsey !!!

I just want to point out that everyone is saying Campbell, Little, Etienne, and Cisco. These are all guys that we drafted in one year. Maybe Baalke actually knows what he is doing in the draft? It gives me hope. I also understand that most of our talented players leave after their rookie deal is finished but still. Also, an underrated name may be Shaq Quarterman, it is a flyer but he will definitely be getting a lot of PT since our LB group is so thin. He didn’t seem terrible when he was subbed in I saw potential, what do y’all think?

(04-22-2022, 10:26 AM)Jagsman Wrote: [ -> ]I just want to point out that everyone is saying Campbell, Little, Etienne, and Cisco. These are all guys that we drafted in one year. Maybe Baalke actually knows what he is doing in the draft? It gives me hope. I also understand that most of our talented players leave after their rookie deal is finished but still. Also, an underrated name may be Shaq Quarterman, it is a flyer but he will definitely be getting a lot of PT since our LB group is so thin. He didn’t seem terrible when he was subbed in I saw potential, what do y’all think?

It's more hope than anything else.

I doubt anyone has any real confidence in any of these players being stars.

(04-22-2022, 03:37 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-21-2022, 06:52 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]If a classical definition exists for "breakout year," and I'm not sure it does, it typically excludes guys who have had an impressive season prior.

If you subscribe to that supposed definition, Allen is probably off the table.

But, I agree, he's a candidate to have a productive season in 2022.

I don't think Allen has lived up to his expectations thus far, while I do think a 10 sack rookie season is impressive I think you could say he had a "breakout season" if he was to come out and go for 14-16 sacks for sure.

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(04-22-2022, 01:57 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]It's easy playing both sides huh? "ahh if ETN is good, I knew/seen it all along... If he isn't any good, it definitely was only because of his injury".

Win-Win baby this [BLEEP] is easy. Can't ever be wrong when you already got an excuse to back up every take you make.

My point was that, if the guy who was saying ETN wouldn't be good with or without the injury must have not watched much of Clemsons play when Trevor was there because ETN was one of those guys that you just notice his ability when watching him play. I think ETN is an amazing player the only thing I'm worried about is how the injury affects him. What exactly are you trying to say? lol.

This isn't the same thing as me claiming Trevor was underwelming in college compared to the hype he got. This is me simply saying that I have very little doubt that ETN would transition to the pros and be a good player. His injury dosen't change my opinion of him. I was one of the people on the board during the draft who didn't get mad when we took him. The injury was unfortunate i'm extremely hopeful that he will still be himself post-injury since he's so young.

I don't have much faith in tiny scrawny Running Backs.

(04-22-2022, 10:28 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-22-2022, 10:26 AM)Jagsman Wrote: [ -> ]I just want to point out that everyone is saying Campbell, Little, Etienne, and Cisco. These are all guys that we drafted in one year. Maybe Baalke actually knows what he is doing in the draft? It gives me hope. I also understand that most of our talented players leave after their rookie deal is finished but still. Also, an underrated name may be Shaq Quarterman, it is a flyer but he will definitely be getting a lot of PT since our LB group is so thin. He didn’t seem terrible when he was subbed in I saw potential, what do y’all think?

It's more hope than anything else.

I doubt anyone has any real confidence in any of these players being stars.

This is very true.  It also demonstrates that none of them had breakout rookie seasons, although Campbell was the only player to see any playing time of significance.

Let's face it, when you have generational talent like Andrew Wingard in the secondary, I'd be surprised if Cisco ever sees the field here in Jacksonville.

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(04-22-2022, 10:33 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-22-2022, 03:37 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think Allen has lived up to his expectations thus far, while I do think a 10 sack rookie season is impressive I think you could say he had a "breakout season" if he was to come out and go for 14-16 sacks for sure.

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My point was that, if the guy who was saying ETN wouldn't be good with or without the injury must have not watched much of Clemsons play when Trevor was there because ETN was one of those guys that you just notice his ability when watching him play. I think ETN is an amazing player the only thing I'm worried about is how the injury affects him. What exactly are you trying to say? lol.

This isn't the same thing as me claiming Trevor was underwelming in college compared to the hype he got. This is me simply saying that I have very little doubt that ETN would transition to the pros and be a good player. His injury dosen't change my opinion of him. I was one of the people on the board during the draft who didn't get mad when we took him. The injury was unfortunate i'm extremely hopeful that he will still be himself post-injury since he's so young.

I don't have much faith in tiny scrawny Running Backs.

Barry Sanders was 5'8" - 203 lbs

I don't think Etienne is Sanders by any stretch - but Pederson definitely had a package of plays in Philly for the scat-back-type player. I'm sure he can utilize ETN's skillset in his Jags playbook effectively - and his  5'10" - 215 lb stature won't diminish that at all.