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(04-25-2022, 11:33 AM)iapetus Wrote: [ -> ]Trade all our picks and future picks for a punter.

If that was the only way to keep us from drafting Travon Walker, I'd do it.

(04-25-2022, 12:12 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-25-2022, 11:33 AM)iapetus Wrote: [ -> ]Trade all our picks and future picks for a punter.

If that was the only way to keep us from drafting Travon Walker, I'd do it.

But Walker has so much POTENTIAL! 

(04-25-2022, 12:12 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-25-2022, 11:33 AM)iapetus Wrote: [ -> ]Trade all our picks and future picks for a punter.

If that was the only way to keep us from drafting Travon Walker, I'd do it.

Have we reached the point where if we don't draft exactly the players you want, you're going to have a complete meltdown?

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that.  After all, if everyone had humility and self-awareness, it would be a very boring message board.

(04-25-2022, 12:24 PM)Sibelius Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-25-2022, 12:12 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]If that was the only way to keep us from drafting Travon Walker, I'd do it.

But Walker has so much POTENTIAL! 

Just like Taven and Chaisson

(04-25-2022, 12:12 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-25-2022, 11:33 AM)iapetus Wrote: [ -> ]Trade all our picks and future picks for a punter.

If that was the only way to keep us from drafting Travon Walker, I'd do it.

Worst possible outcome appears to be coming true. Baalke has final say, and he's deadset on playing smartest man in the room, bypassing his new head coach's preference for O-line, which will put them at odds. 

He wants Walker, who's a pure project with measurables not production. He'll be a good run stopping end like Renaldo Wynn, but never post double digit sacks. I hope this gets Baalke fired. He's not a consensus builder.

https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/33...portsbooks

I also think he'll pick defense again at #33, with a linebacker, which is like the running back of defense. Pederson will be fuming.

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(04-25-2022, 12:24 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-25-2022, 12:12 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]If that was the only way to keep us from drafting Travon Walker, I'd do it.

Have we reached the point where if we don't draft exactly the players you want, you're going to have a complete meltdown?

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that.  After all, if everyone had humility and self-awareness, it would be a very boring message board.

I'm going to have a meltdown over Walker. The only one who values him in the top 3 is Baalke. At this point I'd be OK with a handful of players at #1, including both O-tackles, Hutch, or Sauce. I'd also love a trade down. Picking Walker is like Alualu all over again. No one else values him there. It's smartest man in the room BS.

(04-25-2022, 12:24 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-25-2022, 12:12 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]If that was the only way to keep us from drafting Travon Walker, I'd do it.

Have we reached the point where if we don't draft exactly the players you want, you're going to have a complete meltdown?

Walker is the exception. Nearly every football analysts in the country says Hutchinson is the better prospect and he fits our system. Walker is way less productive and doesn't fit our scheme. I just read where Todd McShay said nearly every scout, coach and owner he has talked to prefers Hutchinson, yet the Jaguars appear to be leaning the opposite way. This goes right along with our pattern over the last 10 years. It's why we are constantly picking in the upper quarter of the draft and being laughed at by the rest of the league. We never take the "safe" pick. We always seem to do something goofy and it bites us in the butt. I thought we would've learned something when we reached on C.J. Henderson and K'Lavon Chaisson. I hope we finally do the smart thing and stay away from risks.

I'm willing to bet that the pick will not be Walker.

(04-25-2022, 10:44 AM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-25-2022, 09:16 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]This is such a broad question. I can think of horrible things this team has already done and then it's not hard to make it one step worse.

Here's a pretty easy one.

The Jags take one of the Tackles at #1. Then they resign Cam to a Fiver. Then the #1 pick can't beat out either Cam or Little for a Tackle spot and we spent a #1 for a Guard.

Then it gets worse for us here because Olinematters gets to brag about it for a decade.

They will take Ekwonu and you will like it. 

Little will be traded for a 5th to Rams where he will go on to have a HoF career. Don't forget, it's been my opinion for quite a while now that they may take O-line at 1 and the reasoning is that they're not as high on Little as people on this board.

Baalke drafted Little. I think Little should be competing with Cam at his natural position at left tackle. He did fine when he started there late in the season. It's Robinson who should be competing with Taylor at right tackle. But maybe the new O-line coach thinks the world of Robinson.

(04-25-2022, 12:33 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-25-2022, 12:24 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Have we reached the point where if we don't draft exactly the players you want, you're going to have a complete meltdown?

Walker is the exception. Nearly every football analysts in the country says Hutchinson is the better prospect and he fits our system. Walker is way less productive and doesn't fit our scheme. I just read where Todd McShay said nearly every scout, coach and owner he has talked to prefers Hutchinson, yet the Jaguars appear to be leaning the opposite way. This goes right along with our pattern over the last 10 years. It's why we are constantly picking in the upper quarter of the draft and being laughed at by the rest of the league. We never take the "safe" pick. We always seem to do something goofy and it bites us in the butt. I thought we would've learned something when we reached on C.J. Henderson and K'Lavon Chaisson. I hope we finally do the smart thing and stay away from risks.

I agree. If I were a GM, I'd go consensus and safe all the way in the first round. You want upside paired with definite production. You get fired when first round picks become busts. You don't get fired right away for base hits and doubles. We've had many strikeouts, like Henderson and Taven. That's what did in Caldwell. 

For pass rushers, I want someone like Hutch who already has an arsenal of pass-rush moves, not someone who has to be motivated and taught moves. If they don't have anything but a bull rush or speed, it evidences a lack of work ethic and passion for the game. Fowler was just an athlete with speed coming out. Chaisson was even worse -- little production and undersized. 

If I'm Pederson, and Baalke picks Walker over my objection, I'm meeting with Khan and requesting final say in future drafts. Make a power play right there at the height of your power coming in new and having a blank slate. And I would say it's because everyone in the draft room but Baalke wanted Hutch or one of the tackles.

(04-25-2022, 12:33 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]We never take the "safe" pick.

Sure we do. Jalen Ramsey was the safe pick. So was Justin Blackmon. In 2013 they went safe, as Bleacher Report said:

"More importantly, they wouldn't have found a better value pick than Joeckel, who may be the best player of this draft class."

SB Nation agreed:

"Joeckel was our top-rated player in the draft this year"

Bucky Brooks gushed on NFL.com:

"BEST PICK: Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M
Jacksonville Jaguars, Round 1, No. 2 overall

The second overall pick should always be considered a "can't miss" prospect, but the Jaguars deserve credit for ignoring other pressing needs in favor of a cornerstone player for GM David Caldwell's rebuilding project."

(04-25-2022, 12:33 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]I'm willing to bet that the pick will not be Walker.

If you are willing to back that up you can get pretty solid odds for that right now.

They trade out of #1 for Super Bowl Champion Blaine Gabbart. Come home, all is forgiven! We kiss your ring!

(04-25-2022, 12:33 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]I'm willing to bet that the pick will not be Walker.

God, I hope you're right.

(04-25-2022, 03:14 PM)iapetus Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-25-2022, 12:33 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]We never take the "safe" pick.

Sure we do. Jalen Ramsey was the safe pick. So was Justin Blackmon. In 2013 they went safe, as Bleacher Report said:

"More importantly, they wouldn't have found a better value pick than Joeckel, who may be the best player of this draft class."

SB Nation agreed:

"Joeckel was our top-rated player in the draft this year"

Bucky Brooks gushed on NFL.com:

"BEST PICK: Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M
Jacksonville Jaguars, Round 1, No. 2 overall

The second overall pick should always be considered a "can't miss" prospect, but the Jaguars deserve credit for ignoring other pressing needs in favor of a cornerstone player for GM David Caldwell's rebuilding project."

Jalen Ramsey was a very long time ago. Justin Blackmon had all kinds of red flags coming into the draft. He was a safe pick, regarding his abilities, but he was a huge risk when it came to off the field stuff. 

People like to say Joeckel was a safe pick, but I couldn't disagree more I didn't have him in my top 15. I hated him coming into that draft. He was a typical Texas A&M OT, which mean't he was all finesse and lacked functional strength. He got beat by bull rushers in college and they destroyed him in the NFL. Back then, the Aggies kept churning out the same kind of OT over and over and none of them worked out.

(04-25-2022, 03:14 PM)iapetus Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-25-2022, 12:33 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]We never take the "safe" pick.

Sure we do. Jalen Ramsey was the safe pick. So was Justin Blackmon. In 2013 they went safe, as Bleacher Report said:

"More importantly, they wouldn't have found a better value pick than Joeckel, who may be the best player of this draft class."

SB Nation agreed:

"Joeckel was our top-rated player in the draft this year"

Bucky Brooks gushed on NFL.com:

"BEST PICK: Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M
Jacksonville Jaguars, Round 1, No. 2 overall

The second overall pick should always be considered a "can't miss" prospect, but the Jaguars deserve credit for ignoring other pressing needs in favor of a cornerstone player for GM David Caldwell's rebuilding project."

I had a feeling Joeckel would come up. I think that year was an anomaly, and think most on here agree that Caldwell got a pass there. That was a horrible draft class, and most scouts believed Fischer and Joeckel were the best tackles. Sure, Caldwell could've picked Lane Johnson instead and been declared later a super scout, but overall you have a higher batting average playing it safe than being smartest man in the room -- e.g., Matt Jones, Alualu, Taven, and soon-to-be Walker.

Look at the train wreck of 2013:
https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/4/27/4...nd-results

(04-25-2022, 12:29 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-25-2022, 12:24 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Have we reached the point where if we don't draft exactly the players you want, you're going to have a complete meltdown?

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that.  After all, if everyone had humility and self-awareness, it would be a very boring message board.

I'm going to have a meltdown over Walker. The only one who values him in the top 3 is Baalke. At this point I'd be OK with a handful of players at #1, including both O-tackles, Hutch, or Sauce. I'd also love a trade down. Picking Walker is like Alualu all over again. No one else values him there. It's smartest man in the room BS.

...will the meltdown change the pick?

Because if it will, go ahead and start now as a preemptive strike.

(04-25-2022, 03:46 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Jalen Ramsey was a very long time ago. Justin Blackmon had all kinds of red flags coming into the draft. He was a safe pick, regarding his abilities, but he was a huge risk when it came to off the field stuff.

Not seeing that in any scouting reports from the time. There's a mention of a single DUI, but character-wise they talk up his love of the game.

(04-25-2022, 04:38 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-25-2022, 12:29 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]I'm going to have a meltdown over Walker. The only one who values him in the top 3 is Baalke. At this point I'd be OK with a handful of players at #1, including both O-tackles, Hutch, or Sauce. I'd also love a trade down. Picking Walker is like Alualu all over again. No one else values him there. It's smartest man in the room BS.

...will the meltdown change the pick?

Because if it will, go ahead and start now as a preemptive strike.

I think he already has.

I will be bummed if Walker is the pick. Just like I was bummed when we took Chaison. Both picks are going to be made on physical traits, not in game production. I just don't see it working out. Plus the fans will hate it.

(04-25-2022, 05:54 PM)iapetus Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-25-2022, 03:46 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Jalen Ramsey was a very long time ago. Justin Blackmon had all kinds of red flags coming into the draft. He was a safe pick, regarding his abilities, but he was a huge risk when it came to off the field stuff.

Not seeing that in any scouting reports from the time. There's a mention of a single DUI, but character-wise they talk up his love of the game.

That DUI was a major red flag and there were rumors at the time that he may have an issue with alcohol. After getting burned by Blackmon, I really changed my stance on drug and alcohol related red flags. I loved Blackmon and believed the issue was no big deal. I was wrong. Now, I wouldn't touch players with any of those kind of issues until day 3 of the draft, if at all.

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(04-25-2022, 06:36 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]I will be bummed if Walker is the pick. Just like I was bummed when we took Chaison. Both picks are going to be made on physical traits, not in game production. I just don't see it working out. Plus the fans will hate it.

We've blown so many picks. It still makes me sick to my stomach that we basically traded Jalen Ramsey for nothing.