This video is not directly Jaguars related...but keep reading...and watching.
The Jaguars have botched the draft in more ways than I can imagine.
While, to my knowledge, the Jaguars haven't done what the Saints managed to do in 1975, there are still way too many parallels to the Jaguars than I care to think about.
Parallels like having a young, highly drafted QB prospect and not giving him enough help at WR. Parallels like extended periods of losing. Parallels like trading away talented players. Parallels like seeing players you should have drafted go on to great careers while your guy is out of the league with minimal impact.
https://youtu.be/E0OESxxDoLY
We HAVE to get MUCH MUCH better drafting.
(04-27-2022, 07:53 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]This video is not directly Jaguars related...but keep reading...and watching.
The Jaguars have botched the draft in more ways than I can imagine.
While, to my knowledge, the Jaguars haven't done what the Saints managed to do in 1975, there are still way too many parallels to the Jaguars than I care to think about.
Parallels like having a young, highly drafted QB prospect and not giving him enough help at WR. Parallels like extended periods of losing. Parallels like trading away talented players. Parallels like seeing players you should have drafted go on to great careers while your guy is out of the league with minimal impact.
https://youtu.be/E0OESxxDoLY
We HAVE to get MUCH MUCH better drafting.
I don't even need to watch the video, the Jaguars have drafted horrendously because they either have either had no ability to evaluate talent, or they have ignored talent for need. I believe Harris and Caldwell could evaluate talent decently, but constantly passed up talent early in drafts for filling roster holes, which is extremely stupid. I don't think Gene Smith could evaluate talent and didn't understand value, either. Baalke's record doesn't make me hopeful, but the team's owner either doesn't understand the importance of good talent evaluation, or just doesn't care.
The thing I noticed is that we dont seem to ever get any explosive weapons on offense. The nearest thing to that more recently would be a fournette wich a lot of people didnt like here. Where are the great offensive weapons for the jags over the years?
(04-27-2022, 08:17 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022, 07:53 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]This video is not directly Jaguars related...but keep reading...and watching.
The Jaguars have botched the draft in more ways than I can imagine.
While, to my knowledge, the Jaguars haven't done what the Saints managed to do in 1975, there are still way too many parallels to the Jaguars than I care to think about.
Parallels like having a young, highly drafted QB prospect and not giving him enough help at WR. Parallels like extended periods of losing. Parallels like trading away talented players. Parallels like seeing players you should have drafted go on to great careers while your guy is out of the league with minimal impact.
https://youtu.be/E0OESxxDoLY
We HAVE to get MUCH MUCH better drafting.
I don't even need to watch the video, the Jaguars have drafted horrendously because they either have either had no ability to evaluate talent, or they have ignored talent for need. I believe Harris and Caldwell could evaluate talent decently, but constantly passed up talent early in drafts for filling roster holes, which is extremely stupid. I don't think Gene Smith could evaluate talent and didn't understand value, either. Baalke's record doesn't make me hopeful, but the team's owner either doesn't understand the importance of good talent evaluation, or just doesn't care.
It took the Saints some 21 years to make their first playoffs.
While it didn't take the Jaguars anywhere near that long to make its first playoffs, our draft history HAS led us to 1 playoff berth within the last 14 seasons. If our poor drafting continues, we could share a comparable fate to the Saints. SMH.
(04-27-2022, 08:32 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]The thing I noticed is that we dont seem to ever get any explosive weapons on offense. The nearest thing to that more recently would be a fournette wich a lot of people didnt like here. Where are the great offensive weapons for the jags over the years?
Dating back to 2000, we missed on Soward, R. Williams. Matt Jones, Justin Blackmon, amd Leonard Fournette.
Those first four receivers failed at least in part due to substance dependence issues. Soward and Blackmon had the toold to be explosive as hell, but they couldn't stay sober enough to do anything. Fournette had some explosiveness, but the team got rid of him because they saw him as a bit of a knucklehead. Tamps, of course, snapped him up and made two straight playoffs, winning a Super Bowl.
When we actually come close to hitting on a player, we promptly let him go.
I'm getting the sense that Josh Allen will be the next productive player to go, having not met his potential here because they purged the defense of the help needed to enable him to thrive.
I can only hope Trevor Lawrence doesn't leave here screaming.
(04-27-2022, 08:32 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]The thing I noticed is that we dont seem to ever get any explosive weapons on offense. The nearest thing to that more recently would be a fournette wich a lot of people didnt like here. Where are the great offensive weapons for the jags over the years?
Fournette wasn't explosive, which was part of what made taking him so dumb.
(04-27-2022, 08:50 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022, 08:17 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]I don't even need to watch the video, the Jaguars have drafted horrendously because they either have either had no ability to evaluate talent, or they have ignored talent for need. I believe Harris and Caldwell could evaluate talent decently, but constantly passed up talent early in drafts for filling roster holes, which is extremely stupid. I don't think Gene Smith could evaluate talent and didn't understand value, either. Baalke's record doesn't make me hopeful, but the team's owner either doesn't understand the importance of good talent evaluation, or just doesn't care.
It took the Saints some 21 years to make their first playoffs.
While it didn't take the Jaguars anywhere near that long to make its first playoffs, our draft history HAS led us to 1 playoff berth within the last 14 seasons. If our poor drafting continues, we could share a comparable fate to the Saints. SMH.
I agree, drafting has been the problem for decades. The good news is drafting the QB is the hardest part, now either Baalke has to show he can hit the layups, or Khan needs to replace him quick.
I think having a coach that can figure out how to make good use of talent helps a lot, too, so at least we have that
(04-27-2022, 08:58 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022, 08:32 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]The thing I noticed is that we dont seem to ever get any explosive weapons on offense. The nearest thing to that more recently would be a fournette wich a lot of people didnt like here. Where are the great offensive weapons for the jags over the years?
Dating back to 2000, we missed on Soward, R. Williams. Matt Jones, Justin Blackmon, amd Leonard Fournette.
Those first four receivers failed at least in part due to substance dependence issues. Soward and Blackmon had the toold to be explosive as hell, but they couldn't stay sober enough to do anything. Fournette had some explosiveness, but the team got rid of him because they saw him as a bit of a knucklehead. Tamps, of course, snapped him up and made two straight playoffs, winning a Super Bowl.
When we actually come close to hitting on a player, we promptly let him go.
I'm getting the sense that Josh Allen will be the next productive player to go, having not met his potential here because they purged the defense of the help needed to enable him to thrive.
I can only hope Trevor Lawrence doesn't leave here screaming.
None of those guys had the kind of athletic attributes to justify their draft position except for maybe Matt Jones, which is a sad indictment.
However, I think the team will at least succeed at improving substantially because of Trevor and Pedersen, though without good drafting the team will only get so far.
This is a good blunder. Trading up to get Derrick Cox only to watch the Patriots use those traded picks to select Rob Gronkowski and Julian Edelman. need I say more
The real disaster, however, occurred when we drafted QB Leftwich over DE Terrell Suggs and then the next year (since we had our QB) selected WR Reggie Williams over QB Big Ben --- that was the beginning of the end.
(04-27-2022, 08:58 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022, 08:32 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]The thing I noticed is that we dont seem to ever get any explosive weapons on offense. The nearest thing to that more recently would be a fournette wich a lot of people didnt like here. Where are the great offensive weapons for the jags over the years?
Dating back to 2000, we missed on Soward, R. Williams. Matt Jones, Justin Blackmon, amd Leonard Fournette.
Those first four receivers failed at least in part due to substance dependence issues. Soward and Blackmon had the toold to be explosive as hell, but they couldn't stay sober enough to do anything. Fournette had some explosiveness, but the team got rid of him because they saw him as a bit of a knucklehead. Tamps, of course, snapped him up and made two straight playoffs, winning a Super Bowl.
When we actually come close to hitting on a player, we promptly let him go.
I'm getting the sense that Josh Allen will be the next productive player to go, having not met his potential here because they purged the defense of the help needed to enable him to thrive.
I can only hope Trevor Lawrence doesn't leave here screaming.
Fournette needs a perfectly functioning offensive line just to get past the line of scrimmage.
He just sucks. He plain sucks.
(04-27-2022, 09:06 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022, 08:58 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Dating back to 2000, we missed on Soward, R. Williams. Matt Jones, Justin Blackmon, amd Leonard Fournette.
Those first four receivers failed at least in part due to substance dependence issues. Soward and Blackmon had the toold to be explosive as hell, but they couldn't stay sober enough to do anything. Fournette had some explosiveness, but the team got rid of him because they saw him as a bit of a knucklehead. Tamps, of course, snapped him up and made two straight playoffs, winning a Super Bowl.
When we actually come close to hitting on a player, we promptly let him go.
I'm getting the sense that Josh Allen will be the next productive player to go, having not met his potential here because they purged the defense of the help needed to enable him to thrive.
I can only hope Trevor Lawrence doesn't leave here screaming.
Fournette needs a perfectly functioning offensive line just to get past the line of scrimmage.
He just sucks. He plain sucks.
Well he performed well in 2017 and had good moments in 2018 (Buffalo). He also showed the ability to break off long runs (a sign of explosiveness).
(04-27-2022, 09:06 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]This is a good blunder. Trading up to get Derrick Cox only to watch the Patriots use those traded picks to select Rob Gronkowski and Julian Edelman. need I say more
The real disaster, however, occurred when we drafted QB Leftwich over DE Terrell Suggs and then the next year (since we had our QB) selected WR Reggie Williams over QB Big Ben --- that was the beginning of the end.
Well, but that dynamic is repeated every time you miss on an early draft choice.
We drafted Soward? We miss on LB Keith Bulluck.
We drafted Reggie Williams and miss out on Lee Evans abd Ben Roethlsberger
We draft Matt Jones and miss out on Aaron freaking Rodgers.
We draft Derrick Harvey? Say bye to Joe Flacco, Jerod Mayo, Ryan Clady, Aqib Talib, and Chris Johnson
ad infinitum...ad nauseum.
Shaking My Head in Dismay.
But tomorrow is a new day! We have the chance to get things right.
(04-27-2022, 09:06 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022, 08:58 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Dating back to 2000, we missed on Soward, R. Williams. Matt Jones, Justin Blackmon, amd Leonard Fournette.
Those first four receivers failed at least in part due to substance dependence issues. Soward and Blackmon had the toold to be explosive as hell, but they couldn't stay sober enough to do anything. Fournette had some explosiveness, but the team got rid of him because they saw him as a bit of a knucklehead. Tamps, of course, snapped him up and made two straight playoffs, winning a Super Bowl.
When we actually come close to hitting on a player, we promptly let him go.
I'm getting the sense that Josh Allen will be the next productive player to go, having not met his potential here because they purged the defense of the help needed to enable him to thrive.
I can only hope Trevor Lawrence doesn't leave here screaming.
Fournette needs a perfectly functioning offensive line just to get past the line of scrimmage.
He just sucks. He plain sucks.
Fournette lead our incompetent offense to the playoffs in spite of Blake Bortles. We rode his coat tail in 2017 but unfortunately, I think all of the carries at LSU and with the Jags finally did him in but he did help to carry the Bucs though the playoffs and to a Super Bowl victory.
(04-27-2022, 09:18 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022, 09:06 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Fournette needs a perfectly functioning offensive line just to get past the line of scrimmage.
He just sucks. He plain sucks.
Well he performed well in 2017 and had good moments in 2018 (Buffalo). He also showed the ability to break off long runs (a sign of explosiveness).
He's STILL riding on the coattails of knocking down the Honey Badger (while he was in HS) and Fournette was in middle school.
Big [BLEEP] deal. The honey badger is smaller than my kids.
I will agree to disagree with some of you about Fournette. He was the main reason the jags had any offense to go on the 2017 run. With bortles at qb, (not to good at qb) the other teams D could key in on stopping fournette, and he still made it work along with the offense line help ofcourse and a great defense.
Back to 2022. This is the most important time for the jags. We need a good draft and then let Pederson and staff coach em up leading to hopefully a memorable exciting season.
(04-27-2022, 09:39 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]I will agree to disagree with everyone about Fournette. He was the main reason the jags had any offense to go along on the 2017 run. With bortles at qb, (not to good at qb) the other teams D could key in on stopping fournette, and he still made it work along with the offense line help ofcourse and a great defense.
Back to 2022. This is the most important time for the jags. We need a good draft and then let Pederson and staff coach em up leading to hopefully a memorable exciting season.
Anyways, this is an important draft and season. This has to shift from a
Fournette sucks. For always and forever.
He doesn't deserve his ring - especially since REAL RBs like MJD (who created ALL his runs) or Freddy T who could outmuscle and outrun Fournette even today, never even got the chance. [BLEEP] 3.4nette.
Wow, Archie really taught Peyton well; their releases and drop backs look almost identical.
(04-27-2022, 09:36 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022, 09:18 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Well he performed well in 2017 and had good moments in 2018 (Buffalo). He also showed the ability to break off long runs (a sign of explosiveness).
He's STILL riding on the coattails of knocking down the Honey Badger (while he was in HS) and Fournette was in middle school.
Big [BLEEP] deal. The honey badger is smaller than my kids.
I never heard anything about that until reading your post just now.
Somehow I don't think the Jaguars cared about that when they went to the playoffs with him in 2017, or the Bucs cared about all of that when they picked him up after the Jaguars cut him and they went to the Super Bowl.
(04-27-2022, 09:41 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022, 09:39 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]I will agree to disagree with everyone about Fournette. He was the main reason the jags had any offense to go along on the 2017 run. With bortles at qb, (not to good at qb) the other teams D could key in on stopping fournette, and he still made it work along with the offense line help ofcourse and a great defense.
Back to 2022. This is the most important time for the jags. We need a good draft and then let Pederson and staff coach em up leading to hopefully a memorable exciting season.
Anyways, this is an important draft and season. This has to shift from a
Fournette sucks. For always and forever.
He doesn't deserve his ring - especially since REAL RBs like MJD (who created ALL his runs) or Freddy T who could outmuscle and outrun Fournette even today, never even got the chance. [BLEEP] 3.4nette.
Fred taylor, mjd and #27 fournette. My favorite 3 jags running backs. I still dont get the fournette hate. The guy is a throw back running back. With a nice combination of power and speed. He catches the ball well and picks up some easy yards for your qb. He will most likely have a good season for the bucs. Brady loves him. I wonder why?
(04-27-2022, 09:47 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022, 09:41 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Fournette sucks. For always and forever.
He doesn't deserve his ring - especially since REAL RBs like MJD (who created ALL his runs) or Freddy T who could outmuscle and outrun Fournette even today, never even got the chance. [BLEEP] 3.4nette.
Fred taylor, mjd and #27 fournette. My favorite 3 jags running backs. I still dont get the fournette hate. The guy is a throw back running back. With a nice combination of power and speed. He catches the ball well and picks up some easy yards for your qb. He will most likely have a good season for the bucs. Brady loves him. I wonder why?
Exactly.
The Jaguars have a propensity of trading away their best players. Jaguars fans typically applaud the moves, saying they can't wait to be rid of these guys, and saying the Jaguars can't win with those guys. Only those guys go to other teams and contribute to Super Bowl wins dating back to Andre Rison.
Shaking my head in dismay.
Get better, Jaguars!
(04-27-2022, 09:47 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2022, 09:41 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Fournette sucks. For always and forever.
He doesn't deserve his ring - especially since REAL RBs like MJD (who created ALL his runs) or Freddy T who could outmuscle and outrun Fournette even today, never even got the chance. [BLEEP] 3.4nette.
Fred taylor, mjd and #27 fournette. My favorite 3 jags running backs. I still dont get the fournette hate. The guy is a throw back running back. With a nice combination of power and speed. He catches the ball well and picks up some easy yards for your qb. He will most likely have a good season for the bucs. Brady loves him. I wonder why?
The fournette "hate" is simple.
He lacked the vision and decisiveness to get through the few holes created by the line in Jax quickly and missed opportunities to move the chains.
He put quite a bit of that on tape as a Jag.
He has played better amongst improved talent and coaching.
Being waived also seemed to motivate a guy that may have shown some complacency in Jax.
(04-27-2022, 08:32 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]The thing I noticed is that we dont seem to ever get any explosive weapons on offense. The nearest thing to that more recently would be a fournette wich a lot of people didnt like here. Where are the great offensive weapons for the jags over the years?
Vic's repeated WRs are a dime a dozen trope may have done more damage to this fanbase than almost anything else.