(04-29-2022, 07:52 AM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]"You have to let this [BLEEP] kid play off the edge, with his hands in the dirt. Just let him play with his natural ability over there and let him set the edge".
Isn't this what Baalke said in the press conference when he was selected?
NH3...
Yes. With Pederson also saying something along the lines of versatility. It's a valid concern. Which, again, was reiterated and echoed not even an hour ago by Jeff and Dan on 1010XL.
I didn't want to say it. I am glad they said it though. I really hope we just didn't draft a Smoot type player last night numero uno. No disrespect to Smoot. He's been a solid player.... for where he was drafted.
You don't draft a Smoot type player numero uno. Baalke thinks he just landed the next Aldon Smith. Sorry, I don't see that.
Yea DiRocco was tweeting last night about Walker not being all american or all conference. Didnt make the SEC first or second team. so at best 9th best defensive lineman in conference last year.
I'd give the first round a B. But I do think you have to take into account how the draft board lined up. Was a terrible year to be picking first overall. There wasnt a guy who deserves that status. To think a guy like Walker, who had less than 10 sacks in his career and in his best year couldnt even crack 2nd team all conference, isn't considered a major reach just shows you how bad the top of this draft was. And then as far as our second pick, it didn't appear as though any of the guys we wanted to fall were going to do so, which meant we had to trade up and get a guy that presumably was one of the last prospects left with a first round grade. Draft board just didn't fall to our favor so we had to make moves we may not have wanted to otherwise. I do think these two guys are good players who will make the defense better. Is Walker going to be a big time disruptive pass rusher? No one knows because no one has ever seen him do it. But hopefully he lives up to that billing. If he just ends up being a solid run defender that controls his gap, it'll be a wasted pick. And then Lloyd appears to be a good player that fell later than expected and we didnt have to give away too much to move up and grab him. Don't think that position is as valuable as it used to be but definitely fills a need.
Would like to see us address some of the offensive concerns with our two third round picks.
Jacksonville deserves better than this…
(04-29-2022, 07:08 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Fun fact: Devin Lloyd had 6 more sacks than Travon Walker.
Oddly enough, had we selected Devin Lloyd #1 and Travon Walker at #27 I would have felt better. LOL.
On the bright side, I think Pederson is looking to increase team speed, which should help.
(04-29-2022, 08:47 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2022, 07:08 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Fun fact: Devin Lloyd had 6 more sacks than Travon Walker.
Oddly enough, had we selected Devin Lloyd #1 and Travon Walker at #27 I would have felt better. LOL.
On the bright side, I think Pederson is looking to increase team speed, which should help.
With Walker we'll finally have someone that can run Zach Wilson down when he's showing off his wheels against us.
(04-29-2022, 08:47 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2022, 07:08 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Fun fact: Devin Lloyd had 6 more sacks than Travon Walker.
Oddly enough, had we selected Devin Lloyd #1 and Travon Walker at #27 I would have felt better. LOL.
On the bright side, I think Pederson is looking to increase team speed, which should help.
I thought Lloyd wasn't supposed to be that fast? Is that his game? I haven't paid much attention to the draft prospects this year but did notice his 40 time wasn't anything special.
(04-29-2022, 09:02 AM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2022, 08:47 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]Oddly enough, had we selected Devin Lloyd #1 and Travon Walker at #27 I would have felt better. LOL.
On the bright side, I think Pederson is looking to increase team speed, which should help.
I thought Lloyd wasn't supposed to be that fast? Is that his game? I haven't paid much attention to the draft prospects this year but did notice his 40 time wasn't anything special.
He plays extremely fast. His highlight reels is insane. 100+ tackles, 4 picks and 8 sacks last year. Had like 20+ TFL's. If they keep him clean he's going to be a Darius Leonard type LB for us. Great pick for sure.
(04-29-2022, 03:06 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]What do you say?
Even though I like Walker I didn't want him at 1. I would of said a C for that pick and then the trade up for the best LB in the draft without giving up our 3rds is the best draft trade in recent memory imo. I give a B grade so far.
R1P1: TBD. Starting at a B-. As long as he's not the next Chiasson, that grade will likely only go up from here. I'm not nearly as hopeless as some around here about the pick, I honestly saw just as much possibility of mediocrity from Hutch. I don't think there was any "wow" pick that could have made this an instant A.
Trade: A+. Gave up a few late picks to move back into the first, I don't remember the last time we were so assertive. With as many picks as we had going into this weekend, I'm happier moving up to get solid players than filling the roster with a bunch of PS/Special teams fodder.
R1P27: A. An aggressive move to go get the LB they believe is the best fit for our D. Looks like we could have stayed put and taken him or Dean, but I like that we were decisive and went after the one we wanted most.
(04-29-2022, 07:31 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Hicken says the Patriots were going to take Lloyd, which is why we traded to get him.
I absolutely believe that, too. I think we shook them, the guy they took would have probably been avail at 65. Was very surprised when they didn't take Dean as the consolation prize.
Like with all drafts ranking them now is futile. My opinion of the 3 Hutch, Thibs and Walker.
Hutch
Plays too upright, feel he is better with his hand on the ground in a 4-3. Too light to play inside. Hutch uses his hands to disengage. Arms in the 8th percentile so they are short (32"). Slowest of the DE's at 4.74 - 40. Can he run down an NFL QB? Stetson Bennett just ran away from him the few times he came free.
Thibs
Reminds me of a lighter Myles Garret. Best bend and burst of the DE's. Second fastest behind Walker. Played in the PAC10 where he was far superior to most everyone he came up against. (except Utah who made him disappear twice) How will he do once he faces the increased talent in the NFL? Arms 33" for the arm fetish guys
Walker
Was asked to 2 gap more than anyone else this year and was good at it. That is why he seemed to be hanging around the tackle at times. He is as good as Hutch on the run, but was not asked to be a pass rusher so very limited moves. He will need these to be effective against nfl linemen. Fastest of the 3 which is amazing as he is 272lbs, 20 more than Thibs and 10 more than Hutch. Will be a bit of a project as a pass rusher. For those of you with arm fetishes his are the longest at 35 1/2 inches long. (95th percentile)
Who will flash first? Who will be all-pro? Who will in the end be the best choice for their team? Stay tuned for the season next year !!
I can totally understand the negativity about the Walker pick considering the team's horrible history with first round picks. Despite that fact, I prefer to believe those who considered Walker to be the pass rusher/defensive lineman with the highest ceiling. He will immediately be a big asset in run defense, something which is must needed with Henry and Taylor in the AFC South. Whether or not he can become an elite pass rusher is TBD. He definitely has the physical traits to succeed in this manner and I'll rely on his excellent work ethic plus the coaching of Brentson Buckner and Mike Caldwell to teach him pass rushing techniques. Hutchinson was certainly a more popular pick, but I can't disagree with those who believe his upside is limited.
The Devin Lloyd trade was a slam dunk winner. Giving up so little to get a player most considered the draft's best linebacker was masterful. While Walker's college stats were underwhelming, Lloyd flashed in all areas. He plays much faster than his timed speed.
Grading a draft class is fun, but totally meaningless. NOBODY knows with certainty how these guys will do once they reach the NFL. I'll give this draft 2 grades: B based on the players' college performance and A based on what these 2 players can achieve if used correctly by the coaching staff.
(04-29-2022, 10:37 AM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]I can totally understand the negativity about the Walker pick considering the team's horrible history with first round picks. Despite that fact, I prefer to believe those who considered Walker to be the pass rusher/defensive lineman with the highest ceiling. He will immediately be a big asset in run defense, something which is must needed with Henry and Taylor in the AFC South. Whether or not he can become an elite pass rusher is TBD. He definitely has the physical traits to succeed in this manner and I'll rely on his excellent work ethic plus the coaching of Brentson Buckner and Mike Caldwell to teach him pass rushing techniques. Hutchinson was certainly a more popular pick, but I can't disagree with those who believe his upside is limited.
The Devin Lloyd trade was a slam dunk winner. Giving up so little to get a player most considered the draft's best linebacker was masterful. While Walker's college stats were underwhelming, Lloyd flashed in all areas. He plays much faster than his timed speed.
Grading a draft class is fun, but totally meaningless. NOBODY knows with certainty how these guys will do once they reach the NFL. I'll give this draft 2 grades: B based on the players' college performance and A based on what these 2 players can achieve if used correctly by the coaching staff.
I think all will be forgiven if he keeps Henry under 20 yards and scoreless in a game.
I give Travon Walker a B-. I had him as a top 15 player coming into this draft. But, number one overall was not a good spot. He's still raw. You use the number one overall pick for a likely safer pick. However, I like the potential. It's a huge risk. His biggest strength is stopping the run. If it works, Baalke makes himself look good. But, his history drafting raw, athletic freaks is not so good. I'll just watch how this plays out.
And for the trade up for Devin Lloyd, A+. He is an all-around LB who was a great value pick that low in the first. He will be successful and possible Pro Bowler in his rookie season. You pair him inside with another tackle machine in Foyesade Oluokun and this defense is going to be fun to watch.
Walker is a hard pick to judge. He could be the best player in the draft or a hilariously terrible bust. Since we didn’t pass on a Lawrence level prospect at the top I guess I’m fine with it.
The Lloyd puck has me more excited honestly. He is my favorite first rd pick (excluding Lawrence) since Allen.
I'd go with a D for Walker and a B for Lloyd. Overall, C-.
Lloyd sounds great . . . I would have preferred trading up to get Linderbaum. Or waited for #33 for Pickens or Lloyd.
(04-29-2022, 10:10 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2022, 07:31 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Hicken says the Patriots were going to take Lloyd, which is why we traded to get him.
I absolutely believe that, too. I think we shook them, the guy they took would have probably been avail at 65. Was very surprised when they didn't take Dean as the consolation prize.
No doubt in my mind the Pats would have taken Lloyd.
For the record, the Pats Message Board is exploding right now -- they are pissed with their pick.
https://www.patsfans.com/new-england-pat...le-strange-[BLEEP].1158338/
(04-29-2022, 11:30 AM)Sibelius Wrote: [ -> ]I'd go with a D for Walker and a B for Lloyd. Overall, C-.
Lloyd sounds great . . . I would have preferred trading up to get Linderbaum. Or waited for #33 for Pickens or Lloyd.
If Linderbaum had been there I believe they would have taken him. I do not believe Lloyd would have made it past the Pats.
(04-29-2022, 07:20 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2022, 07:13 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Pardons if someone already posted this but Dan Hicken says since the advent of the modern draft in 1967, this is the first overall pick to be taken who didn't earn All American and/or All Conference honors.
Looks like the Jaguars have gone full Jaguars so far in the draft.
Trading back into the first for a linebacker who probably would have still been there at 33 is so Jaguars...
I'm not a college football expert, but Walker, to me, looks like a slightly less terrible Taven. Really him crashing into a parked car a few weeks ago should have been enough to move them off of him. I don't think Hutchinson will be great, either, but I don't get paid millions to figure out who to pick. I expect the Jaguars to just not Jag it up, and of course they did.
There's reasons to criticize the Walker pick, but I don't see how the car accident is a big deal. Car accidents are common. No one was hurt and he didn't even receive a citation.
As for Lloyd, you never know for sure, but it's highly unlikely he would have been there at 33. I checked 10 different rankings of draft prospects. The worst of the 10 had him as the 28th ranked prospect. The average ranking was 18th with half having him in the top 15 players. Many think New England at the next pick would have taken him.
(04-29-2022, 07:25 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Will everyone who said they are going to quit the team, because of the Walker pick, go ahead and quit? Just go away. Don't drag it out.
I know OLM said it, but to his credit, he did leave. (He is one that will be missed though. I liked his input to this site.)
Who else are you talking about?
(04-29-2022, 12:54 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-29-2022, 07:20 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Looks like the Jaguars have gone full Jaguars so far in the draft.
Trading back into the first for a linebacker who probably would have still been there at 33 is so Jaguars...
I'm not a college football expert, but Walker, to me, looks like a slightly less terrible Taven. Really him crashing into a parked car a few weeks ago should have been enough to move them off of him. I don't think Hutchinson will be great, either, but I don't get paid millions to figure out who to pick. I expect the Jaguars to just not Jag it up, and of course they did.
There's reasons to criticize the Walker pick, but I don't see how the car accident is a big deal. Car accidents are common. No one was hurt and he didn't even receive a citation.
As for Lloyd, you never know for sure, but it's highly unlikely he would have been there at 33. I checked 10 different rankings of draft prospects. The worst of the 10 had him as the 28th ranked prospect. The average ranking was 18th with half having him in the top 15 players. Many think New England at the next pick would have taken him.
(04-29-2022, 07:25 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Will everyone who said they are going to quit the team, because of the Walker pick, go ahead and quit? Just go away. Don't drag it out.
I know OLM said it, but to his credit, he did leave. (He is one that will be missed though. I liked his input to this site.)
Who else are you talking about?
He won’t be gone for long. He should have to submit to hazing when he comes back though.
Disappointed with the Walker pick, but I’m happy to give it a chance, odd that someone above mentioned Aldon Smith, because all throughout this process I was thinking Baalke might have thought that Walker could be that guy all along.
As for the Lloyd pick, I am ecstatic, guy will come in one day and play, but more importantly he is a very high character guy and a leader, perfect for us.