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(05-15-2022, 05:00 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-15-2022, 04:45 PM)JaxonJag24 Wrote: [ -> ]Great article about undrafted FA TE Naz Bohannon:  Sounds like a neat experiment that could work.  Haven't heard any media griping, however, about Bohannon, a basketball player with no college football experience, taking up a roster spot.  Proves all the media pundants last year had a false agenda when it came to Jags giving Tim Tebow a shot.  At least Tebow had NFL experience.  

https://www.postandcourier.com/sports/cl...5a665.html

Rooting for the guy.  Would love to have the next Darren Waller on the club.  A weakness for so many years becomes a strength?

This has absolutely zero to do with Tim Tebow. 

Urban Meyer is long gone. He was responsible for the idiotic decision to sign Tebow and leaving the position group devoid of talent. 

Pederson on the other hand has signed one of the top free agents at the position and brought in multiple UDFA players and tryout players. Bohannon is a tryout player not under contract. 

You haven't heard media bad mouthing the move because he's a tryout player and because giving NCAA basketball players a shot at TE is now a decades old concept they've seen happen 3 dozen times. 

Giving a failed NFL player coming off of a failed MLB attempt a shot to play football at all in the NFL fittingly drew criticism. It was insanely stupid.

LOL...Sorry to have hit a nerve.  It wasn't meant to be taken so seriously.  Just making a point that people like you and the media had a bone to pick with giving someone a change to improve the team at a position of need, even if the odds were long. 

I don't expect the media to bad mouth the decision to give Bohannon a shot, nor should they.  It's a shot worth taking.  And the Jags will look like geniuses if he pans out.
(05-15-2022, 06:26 AM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-14-2022, 11:26 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]Will be funny when Ballke turns my angst into tears of joy. I hope it happens but I will not yield on my despising him. Hey I liked the other guys that failed at the job so...  we will see.

Admittance is key.

NH3...

What we have right now is extreme over payment for free agents that blew out the Wide Receivers market. And a let's check it out draft.  Better coaching and we will see what comes next.  If Baalke works out better than obvious he won't be fired.  We all had massive patience with multiple front offices so if hating him and it works out well then admitting it sure.  I hate him.
(05-15-2022, 05:16 PM)JaxonJag24 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-15-2022, 05:00 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]This has absolutely zero to do with Tim Tebow. 

Urban Meyer is long gone. He was responsible for the idiotic decision to sign Tebow and leaving the position group devoid of talent. 

Pederson on the other hand has signed one of the top free agents at the position and brought in multiple UDFA players and tryout players. Bohannon is a tryout player not under contract. 

You haven't heard media bad mouthing the move because he's a tryout player and because giving NCAA basketball players a shot at TE is now a decades old concept they've seen happen 3 dozen times. 

Giving a failed NFL player coming off of a failed MLB attempt a shot to play football at all in the NFL fittingly drew criticism. It was insanely stupid.

LOL...Sorry to have hit a nerve.  It wasn't meant to be taken so seriously.  Just making a point that people like you and the media had a bone to pick with giving someone a change to improve the team at a position of need, even if the odds were long. 

I don't expect the media to bad mouth the decision to give Bohannon a shot, nor should they.  It's a shot worth taking.  And the Jags will look like geniuses if he pans out.

Didn't mean to snap back - 

I just find the two players completely incomparable -  nearly everything about the opportunities they were given is different  -  equal in contrast to the NFL acumen of the coaches who gave these two players their opportunities.
Good signs
Mini camp has me getting excited for the season (albeit quite a long off season to go).
(05-15-2022, 05:16 PM)JaxonJag24 Wrote: [ -> ]LOL...Sorry to have hit a nerve.  It wasn't meant to be taken so seriously.  Just making a point that people like you and the media had a bone to pick with giving someone a change to improve the team at a position of need, even if the odds were long. 

I don't expect the media to bad mouth the decision to give Bohannon a shot, nor should they.  It's a shot worth taking.  And the Jags will look like geniuses if he pans out.

I think the argument is actually that the Tebow charade kept opportunities from guys exactly like Bohannon. Even turning a blind eye to the blatant nepotism, Tebow had been out of the sport for nearly a decade and was extremely small and unathletic for the job.

Bohannon is a giant who is at the peak of his athletic prime and has traits that could translate well to the position. There is a long track record of basketball players much like Bohannon becoming accomplished and even HoF TEs. Of course, it's a very long shot even for Bohannon...but it's not zero. A 33 year old 6'2" first time TE was a legitimate zero percent chance.

Giving Bohannon a chance at this stage of the offseason makes all of the sense in the world.
(05-15-2022, 07:47 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-15-2022, 05:16 PM)JaxonJag24 Wrote: [ -> ]LOL...Sorry to have hit a nerve.  It wasn't meant to be taken so seriously.  Just making a point that people like you and the media had a bone to pick with giving someone a change to improve the team at a position of need, even if the odds were long. 

I don't expect the media to bad mouth the decision to give Bohannon a shot, nor should they.  It's a shot worth taking.  And the Jags will look like geniuses if he pans out.

I think the argument is actually that the Tebow charade kept opportunities from guys exactly like Bohannon. Even turning a blind eye to the blatant nepotism, Tebow had been out of the sport for nearly a decade and was extremely small and unathletic for the job.

Bohannon is a giant who is at the peak of his athletic prime and has traits that could translate well to the position. There is a long track record of basketball players much like Bohannon becoming accomplished and even HoF TEs. Of course, it's a very long shot even for Bohannon...but it's not zero. A 33 year old 6'2" first time TE was a legitimate zero percent chance.

Giving Bohannon a chance at this stage of the offseason makes all of the sense in the world.

Tebow isnt small and is far from unathletic lol.  Yes he is short though for TE, older, and just isnt a TE.
(05-15-2022, 07:54 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Tebow isnt small and is far from unathletic lol.  Yes he is short though for TE, older, and just isnt a TE.

He was athletic when he was drafted, he was not athletic at all last year at 33 years old.
Nope. Not gonna take the bait.
(05-15-2022, 08:27 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Nope. Not gonna take the bait.

No?

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(05-15-2022, 04:45 PM)JaxonJag24 Wrote: [ -> ]Great article about undrafted FA TE Naz Bohannon:  Sounds like a neat experiment that could work.  Haven't heard any media griping, however, about Bohannon, a basketball player with no college football experience, taking up a roster spot.  Proves all the media pundants last year had a false agenda when it came to Jags giving Tim Tebow a shot.  At least Tebow had NFL experience.  

https://www.postandcourier.com/sports/cl...5a665.html

Rooting for the guy.  Would love to have the next Darren Waller on the club.  A weakness for so many years becomes a strength?

(emphasis added)

Under normal circumstances I would be incredulous over this, but then I realize you're a Tebow fan, and you guys still have shrines to him.

There is a WORLD of difference between this situation and Tebow.

First off, this guy is 22 and just out of college and has not even reached his athletic prime.  There is still a chance for him to get better and play the position for years to come.  Tebow was 34 last year, and hadn't played (failed at) ANY sport in YEARS.  Even assuming he could make the transition to TE, how long do you think he'd be able to play the position?

Secondly, this guy is 6-6 with a prototypical TE's build.  Tebow was barely 6-2 and built like a FB.
The experiment of former college basketball player turned successful NFL TE has been repeated with success numerous times.  Tony Gonzalez, Antonio Gates, and even Marcus Pollard exemplify successful examples of college basketball players who have the physical/athletic overlap with the TE position to justify giving an experiment a legitimate shot.

Furthermore, Tebow had a few chances in the NFL to show what he could and could not do.  We all know or should know that Tebow got his shot to play QB and failed miserably.  He was given a few chances to catch the ball in the NFL and failed at that, too.  He was given a shot at minor league baseball...not out of his legitimate baseball skills, but as a cheap shot at selling tickets to Tebow cultists.  Finally, the Jaguars put the Tebow nightmarish experiment to an end when he was exposed for the world to see trying to block.  Even Urban Meyer had to end that eye rolling and embarrassing tryout.

Somehow, I have to think if Charles Schultz's Peanuts kids ever grew up, I'd have to think even Linus gave up his security blanket and, more importantly, abandoned his blind devotion to the Great Pumpkin after years and years of waiting in vain for him to show up in the pumpkin patch.  You'd think his parents, other responsible adults, and even his more sensible peers would eventually have been able to convince him to realize there's no need for the blanket and zero basis for belief in the Great Pumpkin, just like most sensible adults do not believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the tooth fairy.  Some Jaguars fans who have ostensibly abandoned their allegiance to the Jaguars for persistent failure, even though there is evidence this team has not only been competent, but actually contending.  Most of the key figures from the Jaguars last playoff team in2017 are still in the league, even if only Cam Robinson remains with the team.  Ramsey, Ngakoue, Campbell, Allen Robinson, and even Marcedes Lewis are still active.  Linder just retired this off season.  This year marks the 5th year removed from that team. But through the draft, we know there is a chance (no matter how remote it may seem with Baalke) the Jaguars may turn things around.  But Tebow fans are stubbornly, petulantly, and even blissfully unmoored by reality.  Tebow had a wildly successful college career which is now THIRTEEN (13) years in our rear view mirrors.  His initial run in the NFL was nowhere near as successful as his college career.  He failed as an NFL QB.  Teams experimented with him at FB and he failed at that.  His fame afforded him the chance at minor league baseball and he failed at that.  That was nearly a decade ago.  After years removed from competitive team sports, Urban Meyer, known as perhaps the WORST NFL head coach in history foolishly gave him a chance to play a position due to what he did in college some 13 years ago.  He was ill equipped to play because of his lack of experience at the position, his physical attributes, his age, his lack of skills and rust.  Tebow failed again.  Meyer is gone.  Tebow himself has moved on.  For [BLEEP]'s sake, please do the same!

(05-15-2022, 05:16 PM)JaxonJag24 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-15-2022, 05:00 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]This has absolutely zero to do with Tim Tebow. 

Urban Meyer is long gone. He was responsible for the idiotic decision to sign Tebow and leaving the position group devoid of talent. 

Pederson on the other hand has signed one of the top free agents at the position and brought in multiple UDFA players and tryout players. Bohannon is a tryout player not under contract. 

You haven't heard media bad mouthing the move because he's a tryout player and because giving NCAA basketball players a shot at TE is now a decades old concept they've seen happen 3 dozen times. 

Giving a failed NFL player coming off of a failed MLB attempt a shot to play football at all in the NFL fittingly drew criticism. It was insanely stupid.

LOL...Sorry to have hit a nerve.  It wasn't meant to be taken so seriously.  Just making a point that people like you and the media had a bone to pick with giving someone a change to improve the team at a position of need, even if the odds were long. 

I don't expect the media to bad mouth the decision to give Bohannon a shot, nor should they.  It's a shot worth taking.  And the Jags will look like geniuses if he pans out.

Don't delude yourself even further.  It wasn't just the media who hated the move.

NFL players past and present hated the move.  Long time NFL fans hated the move.  The only people who liked the move were Tebow, Urban Meyer and Tebow cultists.
Enough of this Tebow stuff. the only thing we will get out of the rookie camp is

How well/fast they learn the new system.
What areas of their game needs improvement.
How dedicated to improving they are.
How they react to coaching.
I would say how fast/quick they really are but they are in shorts so that will have to wait a bit.
(05-15-2022, 05:28 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-15-2022, 06:26 AM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]Admittance is key.

NH3...

What we have right now is extreme over payment for free agents that blew out the Wide Receivers market. And a let's check it out draft.  Better coaching and we will see what comes next.  If Baalke works out better than obvious he won't be fired.  We all had massive patience with multiple front offices so if hating him and it works out well then admitting it sure.  I hate him.

You're entitled to such hatred but you must Honestly have an reason for your Hatred. As of yet, Baalke hasn't given none of us Jaguar fans an reason to Hate him. Not One. IJS.

NH3...
(05-16-2022, 05:34 AM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-15-2022, 05:28 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]What we have right now is extreme over payment for free agents that blew out the Wide Receivers market. And a let's check it out draft.  Better coaching and we will see what comes next.  If Baalke works out better than obvious he won't be fired.  We all had massive patience with multiple front offices so if hating him and it works out well then admitting it sure.  I hate him.

You're entitled to such hatred but you must Honestly have an reason for your Hatred. As of yet, Baalke hasn't given none of us Jaguar fans an reason to Hate him. Not One. IJS.

NH3...

Baalke inherited the Meyer debacle. That was Khan’s decision, not his. Couple that with another season of record setting bad football and his (perhaps undeserved?) Machiavellian reputation from SF and the guy hasn’t had a single season in the clear to prove his worth while here. This is that year. I think we can offer an honest opinion of his work at the end of this season.
(05-14-2022, 08:23 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Meanwhile, tacks WR Treylon Burks struggled his first day of minicamp.

@You hate to see it@

They took him to replace AJ brown, they may be lucky if he replaces Julio Jones.
(05-16-2022, 09:05 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-14-2022, 08:23 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Meanwhile, tacks WR Treylon Burks struggled his first day of minicamp.

@You hate to see it@

They took him to replace AJ brown, they may be lucky if he replaces Julio Jones.

He's got asthma but only had one noteworthy bad attack during his college career, so it's probably not a big deal. I'm rooting against his team but I'd hate to see him die on the field from such a thing.
(05-16-2022, 07:00 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-16-2022, 05:34 AM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]You're entitled to such hatred but you must Honestly have an reason for your Hatred. As of yet, Baalke hasn't given none of us Jaguar fans an reason to Hate him. Not One. IJS.

NH3...

Baalke inherited the Meyer debacle. That was Khan’s decision, not his. Couple that with another season of record setting bad football and his (perhaps undeserved?) Machiavellian reputation from SF and the guy hasn’t had a single season in the clear to prove his worth while here. This is that year. I think we can offer an honest opinion of his work at the end of this season.

I 90% agree here. 

The problem I have is that Baalke shrank to Khan's bad decision on Meyer, and he shrank on a number of Meyer's bad personnel decisions subsequently. I'm of the opinion that your General Manager should be the voice of reason in these instances and he failed to have positive impact on the outcome. I credit him some complicity for 2021.

One of my working theories on Khan keeping him is that he may have (however timidly) told Khan that Meyer was a bad idea or a gamble at best, and that's why Khan is trusting him now. 

Regardless, he's done some good things this offseason, and last year's draft may turn out alright in the end.
(05-15-2022, 05:28 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-15-2022, 06:26 AM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]Admittance is key.

NH3...

What we have right now is extreme over payment for free agents that blew out the Wide Receivers market. And a let's check it out draft.  Better coaching and we will see what comes next.  If Baalke works out better than obvious he won't be fired.  We all had massive patience with multiple front offices so if hating him and it works out well then admitting it sure.  I hate him.

One of my favorite Vic Ketchman quotes - "If sports make you hate, you've lost perspective." 

There's a big gap between distrust (which he's likely due) and hatred. I hope Baalke gives you reason to celebrate his time with us.

(05-16-2022, 09:12 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-16-2022, 09:05 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]@You hate to see it@

They took him to replace AJ brown, they may be lucky if he replaces Julio Jones.

He's got asthma but only had one noteworthy bad attack during his college career, so it's probably not a big deal. I'm rooting against his team but I'd hate to see him die on the field from such a thing.

Oh, absolutely not wishing him any ill will, but I certainly hope he does find comfort in the climate controlled environs of the locker room while the rest of the team sweats out another practice. Big Grin
(05-15-2022, 04:45 PM)JaxonJag24 Wrote: [ -> ]Great article about undrafted FA TE Naz Bohannon:  Sounds like a neat experiment that could work.  Haven't heard any media griping, however, about Bohannon, a basketball player with no college football experience, taking up a roster spot.  Proves all the media pundants last year had a false agenda when it came to Jags giving Tim Tebow a shot.  At least Tebow had NFL experience.  

LOL .... Tebow had already failed in football and baseball and is 10+ years older than he was when he failed, so his risk of failure once again in football was only heightened upon his return at age 33.   Bohannon never failed in the NFL so I'd rather take my chance on an unknown commodity than someone that already failed and was only given the opportunity because his former college football coach likes him (whereas all other teams knew he had a zero chance to make it in the NFL at that time).
(05-16-2022, 09:25 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-15-2022, 05:28 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]What we have right now is extreme over payment for free agents that blew out the Wide Receivers market. And a let's check it out draft.  Better coaching and we will see what comes next.  If Baalke works out better than obvious he won't be fired.  We all had massive patience with multiple front offices so if hating him and it works out well then admitting it sure.  I hate him.

One of my favorite Vic Ketchman quotes - "If sports make you hate, you've lost perspective." 

There's a big gap between distrust (which he's likely due) and hatred. I hope Baalke gives you reason to celebrate his time with us.

(05-16-2022, 09:12 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]He's got asthma but only had one noteworthy bad attack during his college career, so it's probably not a big deal. I'm rooting against his team but I'd hate to see him die on the field from such a thing.

Oh, absolutely not wishing him any ill will, but I certainly hope he does find comfort in the climate controlled environs of the locker room while the rest of the team sweats out another practice. Big Grin

The opposite would be 

"If sports make you love, you've lost all hope"
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