(08-16-2022, 01:50 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (08-15-2022, 03:33 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]Wrong! Considering ANYTHING other than a candidate's qualifications is discriminatory in some way, be it race, gender, age, religious beliefs, etc.
It is discriminatory but it's not racist.
(08-16-2022, 11:47 AM)Talented Kalamari Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody wants to live in a high crime neighborhood. Also, saying that black kids need only black teachers is extremely racist.
I think saying that black students do better with black teachers is simply admitting to the racism of the students.
It's not racism for you to gravitate towards someone who looks like you. When you see a person who may be like you succeeding and caring, it can be reassuring and affirming. That said, people need to start making themselves aware of the reality that the raising people UP to a standard is progressive and dropping people below a standard is regressive. If the group isn't being made better by these types of changes, those changes need to go. And, despite what Mikey says, putting color restrictions on teachers has not elevated the students in minority communities.
(08-16-2022, 02:38 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (08-16-2022, 01:50 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]It is discriminatory but it's not racist.
I think saying that black students do better with black teachers is simply admitting to the racism of the students.
It's not racism for you to gravitate towards someone who looks like you. When you see a person who may be like you succeeding and caring, it can be reassuring and affirming. That said, people need to start making themselves aware of the reality that the raising people UP to a standard is progressive and dropping people below a standard is regressive. If the group isn't being made better by these types of changes, those changes need to go. And, despite what Mikey says, putting color restrictions on teachers has not elevated the students in minority communities.
Unless of course they are white children, then they better adapt or they are racist. Got it...
(08-16-2022, 02:38 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (08-16-2022, 01:50 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]It is discriminatory but it's not racist.
I think saying that black students do better with black teachers is simply admitting to the racism of the students.
It's not racism for you to gravitate towards someone who looks like you. When you see a person who may be like you succeeding and caring, it can be reassuring and affirming. That said, people need to start making themselves aware of the reality that the raising people UP to a standard is progressive and dropping people below a standard is regressive. If the group isn't being made better by these types of changes, those changes need to go. And, despite what Mikey says, putting color restrictions on teachers has not elevated the students in minority communities.
I don't think anyone's done a controlled study on the teacher race versus student race question. As far as I understand, it is all correlation. But it is a strong correlation, and I wouldn't blame a school system for making a policy based on the correlation.
(08-16-2022, 05:22 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-16-2022, 02:38 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]It's not racism for you to gravitate towards someone who looks like you. When you see a person who may be like you succeeding and caring, it can be reassuring and affirming. That said, people need to start making themselves aware of the reality that the raising people UP to a standard is progressive and dropping people below a standard is regressive. If the group isn't being made better by these types of changes, those changes need to go. And, despite what Mikey says, putting color restrictions on teachers has not elevated the students in minority communities.
I don't think anyone's done a controlled study on the teacher race versus student race question. As far as I understand, it is all correlation. But it is a strong correlation, and I wouldn't blame a school system for making a policy based on the correlation.
We know Mike, you are for whatever the leftwing cause there is and you staunchly and vigorously defend them every single time. Just admit it, be proud. YOU are a left wing ideologue. I bet you work for the government in some fashion..
(08-16-2022, 06:11 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ] (08-16-2022, 05:22 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] I don't think anyone's done a controlled study on the teacher race versus student race question. As far as I understand, it is all correlation. But it is a strong correlation, and I wouldn't blame a school system for making a policy based on the correlation.
We know Mike, you are for whatever the leftwing cause there is and you staunchly and vigorously defend them every single time. Just admit it, be proud. YOU are a left wing ideologue. I bet you work for the government in some fashion..
Have you ever listened to someone's opinion, and said to yourself "That's way too right-wing for me"?
I used to work at Habitat for Humanity in Jacksonville. I wondered for some time why houses were being built in the very neighborhoods the homebuyers, nine out of ten being black, were already living in. Why would they want to live in the areas they were trying to get out of?
#1 reason was they couldn't afford to buy even a Habitat home in other parts of Jacksonville. An interest free mortgage loan is great but it doesn't cover the yearly cost of property tax and other such costs. Homebuyers are educated on every aspect of buying and owning a house so these extra costs are considered in the qualification process.
Sometimes stuff has exactly nothing to do with racism. Go figure.
(08-16-2022, 07:04 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-16-2022, 06:11 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]We know Mike, you are for whatever the leftwing cause there is and you staunchly and vigorously defend them every single time. Just admit it, be proud. YOU are a left wing ideologue. I bet you work for the government in some fashion..
Have you ever listened to someone's opinion, and said to yourself "That's way too right-wing for me"?
Nah. If you’re not right you’re wrong. Or left. Either way, no.
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(08-16-2022, 07:53 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]I used to work at Habitat for Humanity in Jacksonville. I wondered for some time why houses were being built in the very neighborhoods the homebuyers, nine out of ten being black, were already living in. Why would they want to live in the areas they were trying to get out of?
#1 reason was they couldn't afford to buy even a Habitat home in other parts of Jacksonville. An interest free mortgage loan is great but it doesn't cover the yearly cost of property tax and other such costs. Homebuyers are educated on every aspect of buying and owning a house so these extra costs are considered in the qualification process.
Sometimes stuff has exactly nothing to do with racism. Go figure.
Jacksonville and Miami both have black neighborhoods that are so large, so poor, and with so few other-race people living in them, that there is no easy solution in the short term. These neighborhoods are obviously relics of massive amounts of past racism, so, Habijax's decisions certainly have something to do with racism, even though Habijax themselves are innocent.
I volunteered for Habijax most saturdays in 2001 and 2002. We may have seen each other there.
(08-16-2022, 08:10 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-16-2022, 07:53 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]I used to work at Habitat for Humanity in Jacksonville. I wondered for some time why houses were being built in the very neighborhoods the homebuyers, nine out of ten being black, were already living in. Why would they want to live in the areas they were trying to get out of?
#1 reason was they couldn't afford to buy even a Habitat home in other parts of Jacksonville. An interest free mortgage loan is great but it doesn't cover the yearly cost of property tax and other such costs. Homebuyers are educated on every aspect of buying and owning a house so these extra costs are considered in the qualification process.
Sometimes stuff has exactly nothing to do with racism. Go figure.
Jacksonville and Miami both have black neighborhoods that are so large, so poor, and with so few other-race people living in them, that there is no easy solution in the short term. These neighborhoods are obviously relics of massive amounts of past racism, so, Habijax's decisions certainly have something to do with racism, even though Habijax themselves are innocent.
I volunteered for Habijax most saturdays in 2001 and 2002. We may have seen each other there.
I volunteered a couple weeks a year for Habijax as well thru the early 2000s. Even met former POTUS Jimmy Carter one time. To his credit, it wasnt just a photo op for him and Rosalyn; they both worked a full day. As it was explained to me by a number of field superintendents in charge of the construction, most of the material, expertise, and even the land was donated by local and national builders, in exchange for tax deductions and positive publicity. In most cases, they would buy the cheap land tracts in more run down areas because....it was cheap. They certainly were not giving away thier prime developable land so that stock 1000 sf residences could be built. The hope was that one or more new homes in a poor area might help boost real estate values there and stimulate more building and renovation, but usually the opposite occured. Sadly, the Habijax homes eventually got as grungy and run down as the area surrounding them.
(08-16-2022, 08:10 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-16-2022, 07:53 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]I used to work at Habitat for Humanity in Jacksonville. I wondered for some time why houses were being built in the very neighborhoods the homebuyers, nine out of ten being black, were already living in. Why would they want to live in the areas they were trying to get out of?
#1 reason was they couldn't afford to buy even a Habitat home in other parts of Jacksonville. An interest free mortgage loan is great but it doesn't cover the yearly cost of property tax and other such costs. Homebuyers are educated on every aspect of buying and owning a house so these extra costs are considered in the qualification process.
Sometimes stuff has exactly nothing to do with racism. Go figure.
Jacksonville and Miami both have black neighborhoods that are so large, so poor, and with so few other-race people living in them, that there is no easy solution in the short term. These neighborhoods are obviously relics of massive amounts of past racism, so, Habijax's decisions certainly have something to do with racism, even though Habijax themselves are innocent.
I volunteered for Habijax most saturdays in 2001 and 2002. We may have seen each other there.
Habijax's decisions are based on racism? Lol. They do the best they can with what they're given in terms of lots to build on but as I said, people in those houses couldn't afford the property tax in other parts of Duval county. Is that racist?
Also, what NJC says.
I was living in Germany when you volunteered there so we never crossed paths.
(08-16-2022, 11:35 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-16-2022, 08:10 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Jacksonville and Miami both have black neighborhoods that are so large, so poor, and with so few other-race people living in them, that there is no easy solution in the short term. These neighborhoods are obviously relics of massive amounts of past racism, so, Habijax's decisions certainly have something to do with racism, even though Habijax themselves are innocent.
I volunteered for Habijax most saturdays in 2001 and 2002. We may have seen each other there.
Habijax's decisions are based on racism? Lol. They do the best they can with what they're given in terms of lots to build on but as I said, people in those houses couldn't afford the property tax in other parts of Duval county. Is that racist?
Also, what NJC says.
I was living in Germany when you volunteered there so we never crossed paths.
Your reading comprehension ain't great.
I said Habijax was innocent.
I said the situation was created by racism in the past, before Habijax even existed.
(08-17-2022, 05:37 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-16-2022, 11:35 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Habijax's decisions are based on racism? Lol. They do the best they can with what they're given in terms of lots to build on but as I said, people in those houses couldn't afford the property tax in other parts of Duval county. Is that racist?
Also, what NJC says.
I was living in Germany when you volunteered there so we never crossed paths.
Your reading comprehension ain't great.
I said Habijax was innocent.
I said the situation was created by racism in the past, before Habijax even existed.
There's some truth to that statement in bold. I think the Great Fire of 1901 set this city back substantially though for decades and generations to come. It was even cited back then that during that fire there was little to no efforts made to help save the black neighborhoods and they were allowed to burn down. It wasn't until it started reaching the white neighborhoods that they made an effort to really put it out.
There's just parts of Jacksonville where you look at it and you just know it. You literally see it on the streets, especially along Philips Highway over here where I work. The crime is also bad in the downtown areas. It's been notorious enough to gain a following on YouTube with millions of views. You can look up the gangs down there. I wasn't even aware of it. As I tend to not watch local news at all.
However, I recall Randy Moss made a statement on national television about our county having it's issues. I was a little upset about that. Thought he was wrong. However, he was right to an extent. Just because you can't see it from your backyard doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I can also say that my car has been broken into three times over the last twelve years in my neighborhood. Nowhere else in this city. That's on Kernan Boulevard which, up and down is a pretty solid area from what I have seen around the city in my 34 years of being here.
It is sad though. People like to throw the phrase "The past is the past, let it go" around a lot. I get that sometimes, and then again, sometimes I don't. As I get older I realize how much more I miss my grandparents. And when you really think about their age, their era and before them? Telling someone to get over something that happened "years" ago is distasteful when you consider most of those people crying foul were fortunate enough to sit down and speak with their grandparents and great grandparents that literally lived through all of that.
We've made progress. Still, much, much more work to do. I often times look at the rich, black celebrities though that like to get on social media and spout off hate this, and hate that, race this and race that. Shaun King is a notable example. As is Snoop Dogg. Hell, at one point even that woman that lead the BLM movement or was one of it's leaders came off as hypocritical. They all preach about community, black community, etc. Yet, they wouldn't dare live in a predominately black neighborhood. We're not allowed to say that though...
(08-17-2022, 07:15 AM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ] (08-17-2022, 05:51 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]There's some truth to that statement in bold. I think the Great Fire of 1901 set this city back substantially though for decades and generations to come. It was even cited back then that during that fire there was little to no efforts made to help save the black neighborhoods and they were allowed to burn down. It wasn't until it started reaching the white neighborhoods that they made an effort to really put it out.
There's just parts of Jacksonville where you look at it and you just know it. You literally see it on the streets, especially along Philips Highway over here where I work. The crime is also bad in the downtown areas. It's been notorious enough to gain a following on YouTube with millions of views. You can look up the gangs down there. I wasn't even aware of it. As I tend to not watch local news at all.
However, I recall Randy Moss made a statement on national television about our county having it's issues. I was a little upset about that. Thought he was wrong. However, he was right to an extent. Just because you can't see it from your backyard doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I can also say that my car has been broken into three times over the last twelve years in my neighborhood. Nowhere else in this city. That's on Kernan Boulevard which, up and down is a pretty solid area from what I have seen around the city in my 34 years of being here.
It is sad though. People like to throw the phrase "The past is the past, let it go" around a lot. I get that sometimes, and then again, sometimes I don't. As I get older I realize how much more I miss my grandparents. And when you really think about their age, their era and before them? Telling someone to get over something that happened "years" ago is distasteful when you consider most of those people crying foul were fortunate enough to sit down and speak with their grandparents and great grandparents that literally lived through all of that.
We've made progress. Still, much, much more work to do. I often times look at the rich, black celebrities though that like to get on social media and spout off hate this, and hate that, race this and race that. Shaun King is a notable example. As is Snoop Dogg. Hell, at one point even that woman that lead the BLM movement or was one of it's leaders came off as hypocritical. They all preach about community, black community, etc. Yet, they wouldn't dare live in a predominately black neighborhood. We're not allowed to say that though...
Shaun King is white…
And that's all you took from his poignant post.
(08-17-2022, 07:15 AM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ] (08-17-2022, 05:51 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]There's some truth to that statement in bold. I think the Great Fire of 1901 set this city back substantially though for decades and generations to come. It was even cited back then that during that fire there was little to no efforts made to help save the black neighborhoods and they were allowed to burn down. It wasn't until it started reaching the white neighborhoods that they made an effort to really put it out.
There's just parts of Jacksonville where you look at it and you just know it. You literally see it on the streets, especially along Philips Highway over here where I work. The crime is also bad in the downtown areas. It's been notorious enough to gain a following on YouTube with millions of views. You can look up the gangs down there. I wasn't even aware of it. As I tend to not watch local news at all.
However, I recall Randy Moss made a statement on national television about our county having it's issues. I was a little upset about that. Thought he was wrong. However, he was right to an extent. Just because you can't see it from your backyard doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I can also say that my car has been broken into three times over the last twelve years in my neighborhood. Nowhere else in this city. That's on Kernan Boulevard which, up and down is a pretty solid area from what I have seen around the city in my 34 years of being here.
It is sad though. People like to throw the phrase "The past is the past, let it go" around a lot. I get that sometimes, and then again, sometimes I don't. As I get older I realize how much more I miss my grandparents. And when you really think about their age, their era and before them? Telling someone to get over something that happened "years" ago is distasteful when you consider most of those people crying foul were fortunate enough to sit down and speak with their grandparents and great grandparents that literally lived through all of that.
We've made progress. Still, much, much more work to do. I often times look at the rich, black celebrities though that like to get on social media and spout off hate this, and hate that, race this and race that. Shaun King is a notable example. As is Snoop Dogg. Hell, at one point even that woman that lead the BLM movement or was one of it's leaders came off as hypocritical. They all preach about community, black community, etc. Yet, they wouldn't dare live in a predominately black neighborhood. We're not allowed to say that though...
Shaun King is white…
Somebody should tell him that because he sure as hell acts like he's not. By all accounts he's told everybody his biological father was a light-skinned black man.
That dude ain't black, lol. He's a self-aggrandizing liar. Dolozal 2.0. So funny. The only cred he has is with white liberals.
(08-17-2022, 08:12 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (08-17-2022, 07:15 AM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]Shaun King is white…
Somebody should tell him that because he sure as hell acts like he's not. By all accounts he's told everybody his biological father was a light-skinned black man.
There is documented proof that he isn't.
Shaun White? you mean "Talcum X"? That dude is a joke.
(08-17-2022, 10:08 AM)Talented Kalamari Wrote: [ -> ]Shaun White? you mean "Talcum X"? That dude is a joke.
Doh, it is Shaun King...Had me going..
(08-17-2022, 11:29 AM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ] (08-17-2022, 10:08 AM)Talented Kalamari Wrote: [ -> ]Shaun White? you mean "Talcum X"? That dude is a joke.
Doh, it is Shaun King...Had me going..
I dunno...he looked pretty black quarterbacking all those Bucs games in the early 2000's. Still does.