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(11-23-2022, 11:39 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-23-2022, 11:27 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Same with Al Gore, right? He was a problem, but he's better now.

Sure, let's compare January 6 2001 to January 6 2021.  Roll tape.

Do you not see how you just moved the goalposts here?

(11-24-2022, 01:55 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-23-2022, 11:39 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Sure, let's compare January 6 2001 to January 6 2021.  Roll tape.

Do you not see how you just moved the goalposts here?

We could compare Kari Lake to Stacy Abrams.
Or we could compare Trump to Al Gore.
Very difficult to compare a candidate for governor to a candidate for President, though, what with the electoral college and all.

Right. Now we're having a debate about the degree of election denial. Got it.

(11-24-2022, 10:18 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Right. Now we're having a debate about the degree of election denial. Got it.

Personally I don't care about a candidate saying they think they won and there was some kind of problem, like Republicans doing everything they can to suppress minority turnout. What I do care about is people attempting to overthrow democracy, which is what trump tried to do and what Kari Lake said she'd do if she got to be in charge.

(11-24-2022, 10:28 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2022, 10:18 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Right. Now we're having a debate about the degree of election denial. Got it.

Personally I don't care about a candidate saying they think they won and there was some kind of problem, like Republicans doing everything they can to suppress minority turnout. What I do care about is people attempting to overthrow democracy, which is what trump tried to do and what Kari Lake said she'd do if she got to be in charge.

What are Republicans doing to suppress minority turnout?

(11-24-2022, 10:30 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2022, 10:28 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Personally I don't care about a candidate saying they think they won and there was some kind of problem, like Republicans doing everything they can to suppress minority turnout. What I do care about is people attempting to overthrow democracy, which is what trump tried to do and what Kari Lake said she'd do if she got to be in charge.

What are Republicans doing to suppress minority turnout?

A quick Google search would satisfy your curiosity. If Republicans were to make similar accusations about democratic controlled areas I'd be willing to listen, but I can't recall them. When I hear Republicans complain about elections it always boils down to "the wrong people are voting", and they need to come up with ways to stop them from doing so, not that their ability to vote is being suppressed in some way.

(11-24-2022, 10:38 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2022, 10:30 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]What are Republicans doing to suppress minority turnout?

A quick Google search would satisfy your curiosity. If Republicans were to make similar accusations about democratic controlled areas I'd be willing to listen, but I can't recall them. When I hear Republicans complain about elections it always boils down to "the wrong people are voting", and they need to come up with ways to stop them from doing so, not that their ability to vote is being suppressed in some way.

You’re avoiding and deflecting. Google didn’t make the assertion, you did. 

What are Republicans doing to suppress minority turnout?

(11-24-2022, 10:47 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2022, 10:38 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]A quick Google search would satisfy your curiosity. If Republicans were to make similar accusations about democratic controlled areas I'd be willing to listen, but I can't recall them. When I hear Republicans complain about elections it always boils down to "the wrong people are voting", and they need to come up with ways to stop them from doing so, not that their ability to vote is being suppressed in some way.

You’re avoiding and deflecting. Google didn’t make the assertion, you did. 

What are Republicans doing to suppress minority turnout?

Actually I didn't make any assertion, I noted an assertion that wouldn't particularly concern me.

As noted, if you're curious about the arguments some democratic politicians have made over the years they're easy to find, knock yourself out.

(11-24-2022, 11:11 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2022, 10:47 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]You’re avoiding and deflecting. Google didn’t make the assertion, you did. 

What are Republicans doing to suppress minority turnout?

Actually I didn't make any assertion, I noted an assertion that wouldn't particularly concern me.

As noted, if you're curious about the arguments some democratic politicians have made over the years they're easy to find, knock yourself out.

You are unable to defend your assertion. Noted.

(11-24-2022, 10:30 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2022, 10:28 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Personally I don't care about a candidate saying they think they won and there was some kind of problem, like Republicans doing everything they can to suppress minority turnout. What I do care about is people attempting to overthrow democracy, which is what trump tried to do and what Kari Lake said she'd do if she got to be in charge.

What are Republicans doing to suppress minority turnout?

Nothing significant.
They've enacted laws like "you can't hand out beverages to people waiting in line to vote" which are silly, certainly don't make it easier to vote, but really don't make it much harder either.  Both parties use this issue as a smokescreen and fundraising tool.

(11-24-2022, 11:32 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2022, 10:30 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]What are Republicans doing to suppress minority turnout?

Nothing significant.
They've enacted laws like "you can't hand out beverages to people waiting in line to vote" which are silly, certainly don't make it easier to vote, but really don't make it much harder either.  Both parties use this issue as a smokescreen and fundraising tool.

Why should anyone have to hand out drinks? Bring your own..

(11-24-2022, 11:32 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2022, 10:30 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]What are Republicans doing to suppress minority turnout?

Nothing significant.
They've enacted laws like "you can't hand out beverages to people waiting in line to vote" which are silly, certainly don't make it easier to vote, but really don't make it much harder either.  Both parties use this issue as a smokescreen and fundraising tool.

White people don’t get thirsty?

(11-24-2022, 11:22 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2022, 11:11 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Actually I didn't make any assertion, I noted an assertion that wouldn't particularly concern me.

As noted, if you're curious about the arguments some democratic politicians have made over the years they're easy to find, knock yourself out.

You are unable to defend your assertion. Noted.

Haha, okay. 

(11-24-2022, 01:27 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2022, 11:22 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]You are unable to defend your assertion. Noted.

Haha, okay. 

Ah, the old deflection by dismission tact. Nice.

This just in! Video has been released of SeldomRite addressing requests to prove his baseless assertion:

(11-24-2022, 01:54 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2022, 01:27 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Haha, okay. 

Ah, the old deflection by dismission tact. Nice.

This just in! Video has been released of SeldomRite addressing requests to prove his baseless assertion:

He may have the same move, but I doubt he ever looked like that doing it.

(11-24-2022, 11:35 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2022, 11:32 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Nothing significant.
They've enacted laws like "you can't hand out beverages to people waiting in line to vote" which are silly, certainly don't make it easier to vote, but really don't make it much harder either.  Both parties use this issue as a smokescreen and fundraising tool.

Why should anyone have to hand out drinks? Bring your own..

I agree no one should have to, but a law saying no one can sounds equally silly.

(11-24-2022, 03:18 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2022, 11:35 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]Why should anyone have to hand out drinks? Bring your own..

I agree no one should have to, but a law saying no one can sounds equally silly.

How is that suppressing minorities from voting?

(11-24-2022, 11:42 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2022, 11:32 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Nothing significant.
They've enacted laws like "you can't hand out beverages to people waiting in line to vote" which are silly, certainly don't make it easier to vote, but really don't make it much harder either.  Both parties use this issue as a smokescreen and fundraising tool.

White people don’t get thirsty?

Exactly.  If you have a problem when a team with water coolers shows up at the voting place in a heavily Black area, then get a team together and hand out some bottled water near your own voting place.

That said, there are examples where a county would kind of intentionally make lines longer in poor urban areas as compared to suburban areas.  But ever since early voting became a thing, long lines anywhere are much less frequent.  Plus the feds have a whole division in DoJ that looks into the precincts and the staffing plans, before the election even happens. If they see a place looks understaffed, they quietly let the local officials know "I see that.."

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(11-24-2022, 03:21 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2022, 03:18 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I agree no one should have to, but a law saying no one can sounds equally silly.

How is that suppressing minorities from voting?

As I said above, in many areas, north and south, historically, it was stereotypically the Black people who ended up in long lines to vote. Precincts in white areas were staffed adequately and efficiently while precincts in Black areas often were not. There has been a lot less of a that the last two decades, but, people remember.

(11-24-2022, 03:22 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2022, 11:42 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]White people don’t get thirsty?

Exactly.  If you have a problem when a team with water coolers shows up at the voting place in a heavily Black area, then get a team together and hand out some bottled water near your own voting place.

That said, there are examples where a county would kind of intentionally make lines longer in poor urban areas as compared to suburban areas.  But ever since early voting became a thing, long lines anywhere are much less frequent.  Plus the feds have a whole division in DoJ that looks into the precincts and the staffing plans, before the election even happens. If they see a place looks understaffed, they quietly let the local officials know "I see that.."

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(11-24-2022, 03:21 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]How is that suppressing minorities from voting?

As I said above, in many areas, north and south, historically, it was stereotypically the Black people who ended up in long lines to vote.  Precincts in white areas were staffed adequately and efficiently while precincts in Black areas often were not. There has been a lot less of a that the last two decades, but, people remember.

So there was a problem, it was fixed 20 years ago but the republicans are suppressing the minority vote.  Makes perfect sense.  How could I be so dense.