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(12-05-2022, 12:18 AM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]Weird to see Allen go backwards. Trevon got a sack today, did he not?

Muma shows 1.5 today with Hamilton showing a .5 in the box score. Walker credited with a TFL.

This teams pass rush has been mind numbingly bad in recent memory and years. 2008 had 29 team sacks.

We're at 19 after today with 5 games left with teams that predominately favor and feature the running game offensively.

Not sure what our worst team output in franchise history is in sack totals but this team is doing its best "hold my beer" moment to top it.

Smoot leads the team with 5 and yet he rarely gets the time out there.

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Trade Allen if possible. He would have a better stat maker on a different defense I think. Not really saying much though.

(12-05-2022, 01:09 AM)JaguarJosh2 Wrote: [ -> ]Trade Allen if possible.  He would have a better stat maker on a different defense I think.  Not really saying much though.

I agree. If there was a 1st RD pick offered up around the deadline and they didn't take it they [BLEEP] suck. Just another layer of incompetence on Baalke's part. His value going into 2023 is already diminished on his 5th year option. Drafted Chaisson and Walker to essentially compensate for his lack of production after riding his rookie year of success off the backs of Campbell and Ngakoue. 

He's overrated and has vanished week after week here. [BLEEP] tired of it. Spent alllllllllllllllll that money on defense over the last two years in free agency and allllll those draft picks on defense early just to have virtually nothing to show for it. This pass rush is on par with the 2008 and 2020 squad. [BLEEP] joke.

Trade Allen and use that money and add a little more to get Cox and Graham. Try to sign both to 2 year deals

Most teams are finding stars in the 3rd, 4th, and 5th rounds. We can't even do it with top 7 picks

(12-05-2022, 10:50 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Most teams are finding stars in the 3rd,  4th, and 5th rounds.  We can't even do it with top 7 picks

Baalke traded up for Lloyd and Conner and neither one of them contributing anything worthwhile at the moment. One has regressed. One has barely seen the field and you ended up trading away a competent RB for peanuts only to turn around and try to backfill his role with Hasty and Henderson who is now two weeks in since being picked up and not utilized.

I have zero faith in Baalke being in the general manager role come draft time. You can also add in Walker Little not contributing two years into his career as another problem. Carrying him into 2023 is a huge mistake.

(12-05-2022, 10:53 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-05-2022, 10:50 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Most teams are finding stars in the 3rd,  4th, and 5th rounds.  We can't even do it with top 7 picks

Baalke traded up for Lloyd and Conner and neither one of them contributing anything worthwhile at the moment. One has regressed. One has barely seen the field and you ended up trading away a competent RB for peanuts only to turn around and try to backfill his role with Hasty and Henderson who is now two weeks in since being picked up and not utilized.

I have zero faith in Baalke being in the general manager role come draft time. You can also add in Walker Little not contributing two years into his career as another problem. Carrying him into 2023 is a huge mistake.

Hasty has been better than JRob since the trade. Just sayin. JRob is nothing now. Dude had 4 rushes for 10 whole yards! Meanwhile, an undrafted rookie is outplaying him even with Michael Carter not playing.

JRob post achilles just isn't the same and I'm glad Baalke was able to get something for him because he might be cooked.

(12-05-2022, 10:53 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-05-2022, 10:50 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Most teams are finding stars in the 3rd,  4th, and 5th rounds.  We can't even do it with top 7 picks

Baalke traded up for Lloyd and Conner and neither one of them contributing anything worthwhile at the moment. One has regressed. One has barely seen the field and you ended up trading away a competent RB for peanuts only to turn around and try to backfill his role with Hasty and Henderson who is now two weeks in since being picked up and not utilized.

I have zero faith in Baalke being in the general manager role come draft time. You can also add in Walker Little not contributing two years into his career as another problem. Carrying him into 2023 is a huge mistake.

Little actually played good last year when he came in for Cam.  We should of never resigned Cam and put Little there but they wanted Cam so bad and he was horrible yesterday, and has been average at best this year where a number of games where he got destroyed like yesterday to a rookie.  It sad how many needs this team has.  On top of starters that need upgraded we seen in preseason we have the worst depth in the league

Correct me if I'm wrong... But it looks like we're stuck with Josh Allen for 2023 unless we can trade him... He's got 10 Million guaranteed for 2023...

If that's correct... man, that's a sad state of affairs. I'd love to trade in pre-draft for a 5th. I'd be happy just getting him out of our locker room

(12-05-2022, 10:53 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-05-2022, 10:50 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Most teams are finding stars in the 3rd,  4th, and 5th rounds.  We can't even do it with top 7 picks

Baalke traded up for Lloyd and Conner and neither one of them contributing anything worthwhile at the moment. One has regressed. One has barely seen the field and you ended up trading away a competent RB for peanuts only to turn around and try to backfill his role with Hasty and Henderson who is now two weeks in since being picked up and not utilized.

I have zero faith in Baalke being in the general manager role come draft time. You can also add in Walker Little not contributing two years into his career as another problem. Carrying him into 2023 is a huge mistake.

Duuuuude....

That Robinson trade is aging like milk delivered from the LA Laker version of Karl Malone (the late Mail Man) along side a hunk of blue cheese that's laid out in the Jacksonville sun in the middle of August.

The fact that ETN now has a confirmed case of the dropsies, it would be really nice to have a vet RB that is respected by the team to show him the ropes....

The arguement for Baalke's ouster, at least in my mind, has increased when you remind us of this blunder.  But again, nothing is gonna happen to Baalke.  He's got at least another year.

(12-05-2022, 10:54 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-05-2022, 10:53 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Baalke traded up for Lloyd and Conner and neither one of them contributing anything worthwhile at the moment. One has regressed. One has barely seen the field and you ended up trading away a competent RB for peanuts only to turn around and try to backfill his role with Hasty and Henderson who is now two weeks in since being picked up and not utilized.

I have zero faith in Baalke being in the general manager role come draft time. You can also add in Walker Little not contributing two years into his career as another problem. Carrying him into 2023 is a huge mistake.

Hasty has been better than JRob since the trade. Just sayin. JRob is nothing now. Dude had 4 rushes for 10 whole yards! Meanwhile, an undrafted rookie is outplaying him even with Michael Carter not playing.

JRob post achilles just isn't the same and I'm glad Baalke was able to get something for him because he might be cooked.

I don't have an issue with the Robinson trade. My concern circles back to Baalke. You're trading up to get players at positions that you're still backfilling now mid season or outright benching in favor of another player you ultimately drafted later on in Muma. That's a mismanagement of draft picks and it's bad. 

(12-05-2022, 10:58 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-05-2022, 10:53 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Baalke traded up for Lloyd and Conner and neither one of them contributing anything worthwhile at the moment. One has regressed. One has barely seen the field and you ended up trading away a competent RB for peanuts only to turn around and try to backfill his role with Hasty and Henderson who is now two weeks in since being picked up and not utilized.

I have zero faith in Baalke being in the general manager role come draft time. You can also add in Walker Little not contributing two years into his career as another problem. Carrying him into 2023 is a huge mistake.

Little actually played good last year when he came in for Cam.  We should of never resigned Cam and put Little there but they wanted Cam so bad and he was horrible yesterday, and has been average at best this year where a number of games where he got destroyed like yesterday to a rookie.  It sad how many needs this team has.  On top of starters that need upgraded we seen in preseason we have the worst depth in the league

You say that but here it is he had every opportunity back in training camp to outright take a job away from Taylor at RT and he couldn't get it done. Also, again, you're correct about the lack of depth. That allllllll circles back on Baalke wheeling and dealing like Ric Flair but not actually finding any real talent that adds any actual flair to the depth chart. 

He needs to go before he does like Dave Caldwell did before he left. He'll take a defender and pass up on a top offensive lineman like Skoronski or a premier receiver like Johnston or Mayer at TE.

(12-05-2022, 10:54 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-05-2022, 10:53 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Baalke traded up for Lloyd and Conner and neither one of them contributing anything worthwhile at the moment. One has regressed. One has barely seen the field and you ended up trading away a competent RB for peanuts only to turn around and try to backfill his role with Hasty and Henderson who is now two weeks in since being picked up and not utilized.

I have zero faith in Baalke being in the general manager role come draft time. You can also add in Walker Little not contributing two years into his career as another problem. Carrying him into 2023 is a huge mistake.

Hasty has been better than JRob since the trade. Just sayin. JRob is nothing now. Dude had 4 rushes for 10 whole yards! Meanwhile, an undrafted rookie is outplaying him even with Michael Carter not playing.

JRob post achilles just isn't the same and I'm glad Baalke was able to get something for him because he might be cooked.

You should go look at Robinson's stats this year before he was traded.  He was actually pretty successful...  His Achille's was absolutely a concern, but he was averaging 4+ yards a carry and was head and shoulders better than Hasty or anyone else not named ETN.

Hasty had a great TD catch against the Ravens.  And I love that play!

But Robinson had great runs against the Redskins, Chargers, and the Colts.  Not to mention was pretty good against the Giants before we shut him down.

No, don't disrespect Robinson like that.  Hastey has made one play in and been effective in 1 game.  Robinson, when a jaguar, was dangerous and effective on several plays in several seasons.  You can't compare the 2.

How the Jet's squander Robinson is thier business.  But when he's been here, he was always money.  Hastey?  He had 1 game.  And nothing more, so far.

(12-05-2022, 11:25 AM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-05-2022, 10:54 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Hasty has been better than JRob since the trade. Just sayin. JRob is nothing now. Dude had 4 rushes for 10 whole yards! Meanwhile, an undrafted rookie is outplaying him even with Michael Carter not playing.

JRob post achilles just isn't the same and I'm glad Baalke was able to get something for him because he might be cooked.

You should go look at Robinson's stats this year before he was traded.  He was actually pretty successful...  His Achille's was absolutely a concern, but he was averaging 4+ yards a carry and was head and shoulders better than Hasty or anyone else not named ETN.

Hasty had a great TD catch against the Ravens.  And I love that play!

But Robinson had great runs against the Redskins, Chargers, and the Colts.  Not to mention was pretty good against the Giants before we shut him down.

No, don't disrespect Robinson like that.  Hastey has made one play in and been effective in 1 game.  Robinson, when a jaguar, was dangerous and effective on several plays in several seasons.  You can't compare the 2.

How the Jet's squander Robinson is thier business.  But when he's been here, he was always money.  Hastey?  He had 1 game.  And nothing more, so far.

The Jets aren't squandering anything. They are in the hunt for the playoffs so they're playing their best players regardless of draft position. It's why Mike White is playing and not Zach Wilson. It's also why they're playing Knight instead of JRob. 

Sorry to burst your bubble but he's just not that good right now and may never fully come back from that Achilles. The clots game? You mean the game where he rushed 23 times for 64 yards and 37 of that came on one play? Just look at the decline man. Since week 4, he has progressively gotten worse.

JRob was really good before his injury but there's a reason the Jags moved on from him and there's a reason the Jets are using him. He just doesn't have it anymore.

(12-05-2022, 11:31 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-05-2022, 11:25 AM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]You should go look at Robinson's stats this year before he was traded.  He was actually pretty successful...  His Achille's was absolutely a concern, but he was averaging 4+ yards a carry and was head and shoulders better than Hasty or anyone else not named ETN.

Hasty had a great TD catch against the Ravens.  And I love that play!

But Robinson had great runs against the Redskins, Chargers, and the Colts.  Not to mention was pretty good against the Giants before we shut him down.

No, don't disrespect Robinson like that.  Hastey has made one play in and been effective in 1 game.  Robinson, when a jaguar, was dangerous and effective on several plays in several seasons.  You can't compare the 2.

How the Jet's squander Robinson is thier business.  But when he's been here, he was always money.  Hastey?  He had 1 game.  And nothing more, so far.

The Jets aren't squandering anything. They are in the hunt for the playoffs so they're playing their best players regardless of draft position. It's why Mike White is playing and not Zach Wilson. It's also why they're playing Knight instead of JRob. 

Sorry to burst your bubble but he's just not that good right now and may never fully come back from that Achilles. The clots game? You mean the game where he rushed 23 times for 64 yards and 37 of that came on one play? Just look at the decline man. Since week 4, he has progressively gotten worse.

JRob was really good before his injury but there's a reason the Jags moved on from him and there's a reason the Jets are using him. He just doesn't have it anymore.

I mean, you're making my point for me...  Dude still had explosiveness, and was a good vet that could teach ETN a thing or two.  

Instead, we have a 2nd year ETN that can't hold onto the ball or figure out when to take a hit or when to just get down/out of bounds. And we have a new group of RBs that are less than the one we traded.  All for a 5th round pick that will wind up on the practice squad at best.

It has turned out to be a bad trade.  It's OK to admit it.  Again, the Achilles obviously was going to shorten his career.  But he had gas in the tank, and his talent and experience with this current RB corps is absolutely more valuable than a 5th round pick, prima facia

(12-05-2022, 11:25 AM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-05-2022, 10:54 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Hasty has been better than JRob since the trade. Just sayin. JRob is nothing now. Dude had 4 rushes for 10 whole yards! Meanwhile, an undrafted rookie is outplaying him even with Michael Carter not playing.

JRob post achilles just isn't the same and I'm glad Baalke was able to get something for him because he might be cooked.

You should go look at Robinson's stats this year before he was traded.  He was actually pretty successful...  His Achille's was absolutely a concern, but he was averaging 4+ yards a carry and was head and shoulders better than Hasty or anyone else not named ETN.

Hasty had a great TD catch against the Ravens.  And I love that play!

But Robinson had great runs against the Redskins, Chargers, and the Colts.  Not to mention was pretty good against the Giants before we shut him down.

No, don't disrespect Robinson like that.  Hastey has made one play in and been effective in 1 game.  Robinson, when a jaguar, was dangerous and effective on several plays in several seasons.  You can't compare the 2.

How the Jet's squander Robinson is thier business.  But when he's been here, he was always money.  Hastey?  He had 1 game.  And nothing more, so far.

his stats were trending downward, a sign that something was up

- maybe the foot was not yet ready for the wear and tear of workload from week to week
- maybe ETN was supplanting him on the roster
- maybe the team wanted to move more toward speed and agility than straight-line power
- maybe Jrob got caught wearing a clown mask last offseason

The Jets were able to run before he got there, with Hall gradually increasing workload and hitting stats similar to early season JRob, so you can't fault their team for his lack of production. It has to be something else.

JRob was great for a year or two with us, and that's awesome. But outside of that one 50- yard carry, he hasn't done much this season for either team he's suited up for. Questioning whether or not he's done is not a matter of disrespect, it's a matter of his current ability. History don't mean much, @just ask Russ@

(12-05-2022, 11:53 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-05-2022, 11:25 AM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]You should go look at Robinson's stats this year before he was traded.  He was actually pretty successful...  His Achille's was absolutely a concern, but he was averaging 4+ yards a carry and was head and shoulders better than Hasty or anyone else not named ETN.

Hasty had a great TD catch against the Ravens.  And I love that play!

But Robinson had great runs against the Redskins, Chargers, and the Colts.  Not to mention was pretty good against the Giants before we shut him down.

No, don't disrespect Robinson like that.  Hastey has made one play in and been effective in 1 game.  Robinson, when a jaguar, was dangerous and effective on several plays in several seasons.  You can't compare the 2.

How the Jet's squander Robinson is thier business.  But when he's been here, he was always money.  Hastey?  He had 1 game.  And nothing more, so far.

his stats were trending downward, a sign that something was up

- maybe the foot was not yet ready for the wear and tear of workload from week to week
- maybe ETN was supplanting him on the roster
- maybe the team wanted to move more toward speed and agility than straight-line power
- maybe Jrob got caught wearing a clown mask last offseason

The Jets were able to run before he got there, with Hall gradually increasing workload and hitting stats similar to early season JRob, so you can't fault their team for his lack of production. It has to be something else.

JRob was great for a year or two with us, and that's awesome. But outside of that one 50- yard carry, he hasn't done much this season for either team he's suited up for. Questioning whether or not he's done is not a matter of disrespect, it's a matter of his current ability. History don't mean much, @just ask Russ@

I already addressed everything you originally said and now you're just repeating yourself.  So if that's the case, let's agree to disagree and move on.

Here was my discussion to you that you have ignored....


If you think that trading Robinson was a good move...  OK. But the facts of this season kinda make that decision look terrible.  ETN has a case of the dropsies.  Hasty is nowhere near as good as Robinson.  Snoop is trash.  And we had to go dumpster dive for a back RB that hasn't even played since we picked  him up 2 weeks ago.  

So with all that said...  Robinson, who has been more effective than Hasty or Snoop, was traded for a 5th round pick.  Kinda seems like we'd be better off right now with Robinson than a future 5th that will probably not mean squat for us.

Watch Jrob suddenly light us up on TNF.

Actually, that may be a blessing in disguise; will show Baalke to be even more of a clown then he already is

(12-05-2022, 12:16 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Watch Jrob suddenly light us up on TNF.

Actually, that may be a blessing in disguise; will show Baalke to be even more of a clown then he already is

Typical #BecauseJaguars!

But seriously, of course the Jets aren't playing Robinson, they only got him as insurance.  They don't trust him.  It's not even that difficult to consider.

So you're a plus .500 team, and your GM brings in a RB from a [BLEEP] [BLEEP] squad.  Which squad?  The Jaguars!  LOL, OK.

Dude walks into that Jets locker room with zero respect.  But to the Jaguars, the dude was a work horse.  And we gave him away for a 5th rounder.  And now what?  We have a fumble master as our #1 RB, and then scrubs backing him up.

Baalke made a really bad choice getting rid of Robinson so early in the season.

(12-05-2022, 11:40 AM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-05-2022, 11:31 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]The Jets aren't squandering anything. They are in the hunt for the playoffs so they're playing their best players regardless of draft position. It's why Mike White is playing and not Zach Wilson. It's also why they're playing Knight instead of JRob. 

Sorry to burst your bubble but he's just not that good right now and may never fully come back from that Achilles. The clots game? You mean the game where he rushed 23 times for 64 yards and 37 of that came on one play? Just look at the decline man. Since week 4, he has progressively gotten worse.

JRob was really good before his injury but there's a reason the Jags moved on from him and there's a reason the Jets are using him. He just doesn't have it anymore.

I mean, you're making my point for me...  Dude still had explosiveness, and was a good vet that could teach ETN a thing or two.  

Instead, we have a 2nd year ETN that can't hold onto the ball or figure out when to take a hit or when to just get down/out of bounds. And we have a new group of RBs that are less than the one we traded.  All for a 5th round pick that will wind up on the practice squad at best.

It has turned out to be a bad trade.  It's OK to admit it.  Again, the Achilles obviously was going to shorten his career.  But he had gas in the tank, and his talent and experience with this current RB corps is absolutely more valuable than a 5th round pick, prima facia

Hahahah it has actually been a good trade for the Jags. A 5th rounder for a guy who can't even get playing time on a team that currently doesn't have their top 2 backs? Not sure at all how this is a bad trade for the Jags. He might not even return a 5th round pick because he never plays.

It's ok to admit he's not the same back after an achilles tear and that he may be cooked.

(12-05-2022, 12:34 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-05-2022, 11:40 AM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]I mean, you're making my point for me...  Dude still had explosiveness, and was a good vet that could teach ETN a thing or two.  

Instead, we have a 2nd year ETN that can't hold onto the ball or figure out when to take a hit or when to just get down/out of bounds. And we have a new group of RBs that are less than the one we traded.  All for a 5th round pick that will wind up on the practice squad at best.

It has turned out to be a bad trade.  It's OK to admit it.  Again, the Achilles obviously was going to shorten his career.  But he had gas in the tank, and his talent and experience with this current RB corps is absolutely more valuable than a 5th round pick, prima facia

Hahahah it has actually been a good trade for the Jags. A 5th rounder for a guy who can't even get playing time on a team that currently doesn't have their top 2 backs? Not sure at all how this is a bad trade for the Jags. He might not even return a 5th round pick because he never plays.

It's ok to admit he's not the same back after an achilles tear and that he may be cooked.

You honestly think that Robinson would not be on the field right now if he was on the Jaguars?