(12-12-2022, 09:43 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-11-2022, 05:22 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]Travon Walker: His early strip sack really turned the momentum of this game around. This looked like your typical Titans beating. That Strip sack changed the momentum of this game. Wow! BTW he also was playing dline with his hand in the dirt on the play.
Trevor Lawrence: He has arrived. He has not thrown an int in over a month. Accuracy, poise, awareness, toughness. He is the complete package. Career high 368 yards and 4 total TDs with 0 ints! WOW!
Evan Ingram: He set a new career high and a TD. He was unstoppable.
Dewey Wingard: I advocacted for him to start and he proving the critics wrong. Big hits with an INT. Dewey has earned a starting role IMO.
Tyson Campbell: This guy shuts down his side of the field. They tried him a couple of times but he shut it down.
Defense: Forced 3 turnovers with multiple sacks. Great overall performacne
Passing game: This passing game marched up and down the field today. The running game was nil so they picked up the slack.
What does this even mean? He has arrived?
Did the Bolts game earlier in the year not count? Or the Raiders game? Or the Ravens game?
I am referring to his consistency more than just one game.
(12-12-2022, 03:25 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2022, 09:43 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]What does this even mean? He has arrived?
Did the Bolts game earlier in the year not count? Or the Raiders game? Or the Ravens game?
I am referring to his consistency more than just one game.
He has strung together a very good few weeks. I just wonder how much earlier it would have arrived if Doug was here last year
(12-12-2022, 03:30 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2022, 03:25 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]I am referring to his consistency more than just one game.
He has strung together a very good few weeks. I just wonder how much earlier it would have arrived if Doug was here last year
The timeline would likely be the same for Trevor if Doug was here last year. Meaning we'd likely start to really see it 1/2 way through his rookie year, instead of 1/2 way through his 2nd year. He does have better weapons this year though and that helps. You could still see it though last season. It wasn't consistent and the team just wasn't any good, but you could see the flashes and wow plays despite the mess around him.
That Urban Meyer disaster flat out just wasted a year for Trevor. Really the only positive that came from it (besides getting Doug) was we got to see how our 22 year old QB would handle/react if he got thrown into the worst situation a young QB could ever be thrown into and he handled it like an absolute champ.
(12-12-2022, 07:31 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2022, 03:30 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]He has strung together a very good few weeks. I just wonder how much earlier it would have arrived if Doug was here last year
The timeline would likely be the same for Trevor if Doug was here last year. Meaning we'd likely start to really see it 1/2 way through his rookie year, instead of 1/2 way through his 2nd year. He does have better weapons this year though and that helps. You could still see it though last season. It wasn't consistent and the team just wasn't any good, but you could see the flashes and wow plays despite the mess around him.
That Urban Meyer disaster flat out just wasted a year for Trevor. Really the only positive that came from it (besides getting Doug) was we got to see how our 22 year old QB would handle/react if he got thrown into the worst situation a young QB could ever be thrown into and he handled it like an absolute champ.
hear, hear. Enjoy your rec.
If Shaq Quarterman didn't get a game ball, then I demand a recount!
The score was 13-14, with Tennessee driving. Another tack score could sound the slow rumblings of a Mayonnaise Avalanche that would bury the Jaguars in a sloppy mess of ineptitude and self loathing that even Elvis Presley himself would realize he needs to get his crap together before he dies upon one.
Tannehill swings a pass to Henry in the flat and he starts rumbling down hill to the Jaguars 30 yard line. Quarterman lays down a hit with the force of a Thunderbolt Zues would whimper from. And the tack's Herculean RB crumbles upon the Greek God-like force of the one we call Shaq. And LO! The one player that has been invisible like Wonder Woman's airplane this entire season, our one and only Josh Allen (the not good one) is Johnny on the spot! Catching the ball and saving the game.
Shaq Quartermann saved the game. His hit on Henry was what turned the game around. He deserves the game ball.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FNV4tUVhfI
(12-13-2022, 10:18 AM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]If Shaq Quarterman didn't get a game ball, then I demand a recount!
The score was 13-14, with Tennessee driving. Another tack score could sound the slow rumblings of a Mayonnaise Avalanche that would bury the Jaguars in a sloppy mess of ineptitude and self loathing that even Elvis Presley himself would realize he needs to get his crap together before he dies upon one.
Tannehill swings a pass to Henry in the flat and he starts rumbling down hill to the Jaguars 30 yard line. Quarterman lays down a hit with the force of a Thunderbolt Zues would whimper from. And the tack's Herculean RB crumbles upon the Greek God-like force of the one we call Shaq. And LO! The one player that has been invisible like Wonder Woman's airplane this entire season, our one and only Josh Allen (the not good one) is Johnny on the spot! Catching the ball and saving the game.
Shaq Quartermann saved the game. His hit on Henry was what turned the game around. He deserves the game ball.
....Just imagine if Allen weren't there, and that fumble wobbles out of bounds.
Great play indeed, but we were fortunate that someone was in close proximity and made the heads-up play.
(12-13-2022, 10:54 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2022, 10:18 AM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]If Shaq Quarterman didn't get a game ball, then I demand a recount!
The score was 13-14, with Tennessee driving. Another tack score could sound the slow rumblings of a Mayonnaise Avalanche that would bury the Jaguars in a sloppy mess of ineptitude and self loathing that even Elvis Presley himself would realize he needs to get his crap together before he dies upon one.
Tannehill swings a pass to Henry in the flat and he starts rumbling down hill to the Jaguars 30 yard line. Quarterman lays down a hit with the force of a Thunderbolt Zues would whimper from. And the tack's Herculean RB crumbles upon the Greek God-like force of the one we call Shaq. And LO! The one player that has been invisible like Wonder Woman's airplane this entire season, our one and only Josh Allen (the not good one) is Johnny on the spot! Catching the ball and saving the game.
Shaq Quartermann saved the game. His hit on Henry was what turned the game around. He deserves the game ball.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FNV4tUVhfI
He played 3 snaps
David Tyree never caught another pass in the NFL... And yet his one catch was the reason the Giants beat the Patriots to win the SB.
"He played 3 snaps"
He only needed to play the ONE that he used to change the entire dynamic of the game.
Don't be bougie... A man made a play that saved our season.
Give the dude credit for a great play.
(12-13-2022, 12:13 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2022, 10:54 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]He played 3 snaps
David Tyree never caught another pass in the NFL... And yet his one catch was the reason the Giants beat the Patriots to win the SB.
"He played 3 snaps"
He only needed to play the ONE that he used to change the entire dynamic of the game.
Don't be bougie... A man made a play that saved our season.
Give the dude credit for a great play.
You are grossly hyperbolizing the impact of that play in the grand scheme of the game and a season that may just end up ending prior to wild card week, but it's OK.
I love the whallup he put on Henry to dislodge the ball, but I just don't see it as integral to the victory or "season" as you do.
No biggie. It was a great hit.
Trevor
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(12-13-2022, 12:23 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2022, 12:13 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]David Tyree never caught another pass in the NFL... And yet his one catch was the reason the Giants beat the Patriots to win the SB.
"He played 3 snaps"
He only needed to play the ONE that he used to change the entire dynamic of the game.
Don't be bougie... A man made a play that saved our season.
Give the dude credit for a great play.
You are grossly hyperbolizing the impact of that play in the grand scheme of the game and a season that may just end up ending prior to wild card week, but it's OK.
I love the whallup he put on Henry to dislodge the ball, but I just don't see it as integral to the victory or "season" as you do.
No biggie. It was a great hit.
I could continue to argue the point... But I won't. I'll just say that when the bacon hit's the griddle, Shaq Quarterman should be given the first helping after that hit.
Cisco laid wood in KC and it was Glorious.
Shaq manifested the THUNDER that decimated Henry and took us to a victory. Henry was killing us right until Shaq's hit. After that, how many yards did Henry have?
But you know. He's just a guy, so we should not really care.
Naw, I think you give credit where it's due. Sure Shaq Quarterman is just a guy. But he was a Greek God on that one play and it changed the entire story of the game. Go back and watch.
How many runs did Henry have after Shaq humanized Henry?
BTW, this is not the 321 thread... This is the game ball thread...
(12-13-2022, 12:29 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2022, 12:23 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You are grossly hyperbolizing the impact of that play in the grand scheme of the game and a season that may just end up ending prior to wild card week, but it's OK.
I love the whallup he put on Henry to dislodge the ball, but I just don't see it as integral to the victory or "season" as you do.
No biggie. It was a great hit.
I could continue to argue the point... But I won't. I'll just say that when the bacon hit's the griddle, Shaq Quarterman should be given the first helping after that hit.
Cisco laid wood in KC and it was Glorious.
Shaq manifested the THUNDER that decimated Henry and took us to a victory. Henry was killing us right until Shaq's hit. After that, how many yards did Henry have?
But you know. He's just a guy, so we should not really care.
Naw, I think you give credit where it's due. Sure Shaq Quarterman is just a guy. But he was a Greek God on that one play and it changed the entire story of the game. Go back and watch.
How many runs did Henry have after Shaq humanized Henry?
BTW, this is not the 321 thread... This is the game ball thread...
I actually think Shaq still has potential to me more than just a guy to be honest with you.
I've long hoped he'd be a guy that develops into something.
I just think you are mischaracterizing and overstating that one play's importance. Also - Henry had already been held up by two Jags defenders when Shaq Q came in too clean up. It's not like he made an open field play on the guy.
All I know is that the more I watch this play, I only know that it was #50 that came in to lay down the boom. And without #50, the play winds up with Henry taking the ball to the 20, and honestly, the game is 21-13.
That's all I know. Shaq Quarterman may be nothing but a scrub for the rest of his NFL career. But to ignore the fact that this fumble was the reason the entire game flipped on it's head is kinda ridiculous. We were about to be down 8 points. Instead, we got the TurnOver and went into the half with a 6 point lead. The momentum change was huge. And I think most people watching at that time saw it.
I'll ask you again (I've asked a few times already) how many yards/runs did Henry have after that humanizing hit???
Henry is the tack offense. After Shaq's hit, Henry disappeared.
Here's the hit again. Watch #50 come in to lower the boom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FNV4tUVhfI
(12-13-2022, 12:55 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]All I know is that the more I watch this play, I only know that it was #50 that came in to lay down the boom. And without #50, the play winds up with Henry taking the ball to the 20, and honestly, the game is 21-13.
That's all I know. Shaq Quarterman may be nothing but a scrub for the rest of his NFL career. But to ignore the fact that this fumble was the reason the entire game flipped on it's head is kinda ridiculous. We were about to be down 8 points. Instead, we got the TurnOver and went into the half with a 6 point lead. The momentum change was huge. And I think most people watching at that time saw it.
I'll ask you again (I've asked a few times already) how many yards/runs did Henry have after that humanizing hit???
Henry is the tack offense. After Shaq's hit, Henry disappeared.
Here's the hit again. Watch #50 come in to lower the boom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FNV4tUVhfI
It was a one score game.
It didn't have to flip anywhere. The jags were in it.
You are also assuming the Jags don't hold them to 3 points there if they don't fumble. Which is silly. You don't know.
And to answer your question:
Derrick Henry still contributed after that hit, they just couldn't run him anymore because the Jags scored TDs on their next two possessions and the tacks were too far back with a quarter and a half remaining. They had to pass and Henry caught one of those and turned it into a big gain. You're attributing a game/scoreboard situation that affected the play calling to a hit on a RB which is way off base.
https://twitter.com/BillyM_91/status/160...3WZcxBS4Rw
(12-12-2022, 03:23 PM)JaguarJosh2 Wrote: [ -> ]Wingard is playing with heart each week. It may be rubbing off on the rest of the D.
He does play with a lot of heart...good way to put it.
(12-12-2022, 03:25 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2022, 09:43 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]What does this even mean? He has arrived?
Did the Bolts game earlier in the year not count? Or the Raiders game? Or the Ravens game?
I am referring to his consistency more than just one game.
Not to mention, I think the Ravens game and Titans game are on a different level than the rest. Which is a good thing to see so close together aswell.
(12-13-2022, 01:12 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2022, 12:55 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]All I know is that the more I watch this play, I only know that it was #50 that came in to lay down the boom. And without #50, the play winds up with Henry taking the ball to the 20, and honestly, the game is 21-13.
That's all I know. Shaq Quarterman may be nothing but a scrub for the rest of his NFL career. But to ignore the fact that this fumble was the reason the entire game flipped on it's head is kinda ridiculous. We were about to be down 8 points. Instead, we got the TurnOver and went into the half with a 6 point lead. The momentum change was huge. And I think most people watching at that time saw it.
I'll ask you again (I've asked a few times already) how many yards/runs did Henry have after that humanizing hit???
Henry is the tack offense. After Shaq's hit, Henry disappeared.
Here's the hit again. Watch #50 come in to lower the boom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FNV4tUVhfI
It was a one score game.
It didn't have to flip anywhere. The jags were in it.
You are also assuming the Jags don't hold them to 3 points there if they don't fumble. Which is silly. You don't know.
And to answer your question:
Derrick Henry still contributed after that hit, they just couldn't run him anymore because the Jags scored TDs on their next two possessions and the tacks were too far back with a quarter and a half remaining. They had to pass and Henry caught one of those and turned it into a big gain. You're attributing a game/scoreboard situation that affected the play calling to a hit on a RB which is way off base.
https://twitter.com/BillyM_91/status/160...3WZcxBS4Rw
I agree with you for the most part on Shaq. Dewey gets my game ball - He set the tone at the start of the game that led to that hit and fumble recovery.
However, saying Tennessee "had to pass" is one thing I disagree with. If there is one team in this league that sticks with their running game in spite of the score, it's Tenn. In fact, didn't they have something like a 20 point come from behind victory earlier this year by mostly running the ball with Henry? What was even better about it was tacks fans booing their own team for trying to stick to that formula. We've been on the wrong side of too many curb-stompings by those bastages over the years, and as carp said it, and as I told my wife yesterday afternoon, "It was glorious!."
(12-13-2022, 03:20 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2022, 01:12 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]It was a one score game.
It didn't have to flip anywhere. The jags were in it.
You are also assuming the Jags don't hold them to 3 points there if they don't fumble. Which is silly. You don't know.
And to answer your question:
Derrick Henry still contributed after that hit, they just couldn't run him anymore because the Jags scored TDs on their next two possessions and the tacks were too far back with a quarter and a half remaining. They had to pass and Henry caught one of those and turned it into a big gain. You're attributing a game/scoreboard situation that affected the play calling to a hit on a RB which is way off base.
https://twitter.com/BillyM_91/status/160...3WZcxBS4Rw
I agree with you for the most part on Shaq. Dewey gets my game ball - He set the tone at the start of the game that led to that hit and fumble recovery.
However, saying Tennessee "had to pass" is one thing I disagree with. If there is one team in this league that sticks with their running game in spite of the score, it's Tenn. In fact, didn't they have something like a 20 point come from behind victory earlier this year by mostly running the ball with Henry? What was even better about it was tacks fans booing their own team for trying to stick to that formula. We've been on the wrong side of too many curb-stompings by those bastages over the years, and as carp said it, and as I told my wife yesterday afternoon, "It was glorious!."
It was glorious indeed.
My point on the run vs pass is this:
After the fumble by Henry the Jags scored a TD on a 5 play drive and left only 10 sec on the clock before half . Jags are up 20-14
Jags get the ball to start the 2nd half with a 14 play and 7 minute consuming touchdown drive.
Now it's 27-14 and the tacks have to score and they know it. Most teams don't sprinkle in much run in that scenario.
However - to your credit and to the credit of carp8dm -the tacks did try to run Henry twice at this juncture and he was stuffed on two consecutive attempts for 1 yard each.
Now - were those stops due to the hit Shaq Quarterman put on him 40 minutes ago ( 8 minutes of game clock + halftime) ??
I really don't think so. Maybe we could ask Roy Robertson Harris who made good plays on both tackles of the kid from Yulee.
After the ensuing punt, it was indeed too late to run the ball and the Jags added on FG points.
Could I be wrong? Could Shaq's hit have soured Henry's resolve to perform? Could it have altered the resolve of our own defense in a motivational way that sparked them to limit the tacks in the second half of the game?
Maybe. It's possible. I just don't think that's what happened.
I think the kid came off the bench, and despite nearly falling down twice, managed to put a nice lick on the ball carrier and force a fumble. And that was that.
All I know is that it’s very nice to argue about game changing plays that lead to a Jags victory instead of the draft.
MEANINGFUL FOOTBALL IN DECEMBER
(12-13-2022, 12:29 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2022, 12:23 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You are grossly hyperbolizing the impact of that play in the grand scheme of the game and a season that may just end up ending prior to wild card week, but it's OK.
I love the whallup he put on Henry to dislodge the ball, but I just don't see it as integral to the victory or "season" as you do.
No biggie. It was a great hit.
I could continue to argue the point... But I won't. I'll just say that when the bacon hit's the griddle, Shaq Quarterman should be given the first helping after that hit.
Cisco laid wood in KC and it was Glorious.
Shaq manifested the THUNDER that decimated Henry and took us to a victory. Henry was killing us right until Shaq's hit. After that, how many yards did Henry have?
But you know. He's just a guy, so we should not really care.
Naw, I think you give credit where it's due. Sure Shaq Quarterman is just a guy. But he was a Greek God on that one play and it changed the entire story of the game. Go back and watch.
How many runs did Henry have after Shaq humanized Henry?
BTW, this is not the 321 thread... This is the game ball thread...
Was all of those things because of Quarterman, or because of Todd Downing?