(10-22-2023, 10:50 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2023, 09:59 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure if you are serious, or just trying to make a joke.
Dead serious. Muma has played in a few games in two years. He's not a starter. Seems like a waste of a pick that could have been put to better use.
Same goes for Bigsby just 7 weeks in. Not the only person here that feels this way on both accounts.
The reality? The team is 5 - 2 so nobody cares to call these things out in particular. Also, I am not calling these guys busts. Just like I haven't said that on Walker, Lloyd [when he's being grilled last year] nor Fortner.
It just seems like we're not allocating our assets properly and it's overshadowed by a 5 - 2 start but down the road? These kinds of choices could be the reason why this team couldn't get over the hump.
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The majority of 3rd round picks in this league isn't starters. I'd like to see the % but I'd bet it's less than 25%
(10-22-2023, 10:29 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]If you can get decent depth out of your 3rd round pick it's not a wasted pick. You have to have depth. To early to tell on Bisgby as he hasn't even played half a season yet lol. I think Bigsby ends up being a good pick
I think you aim for starters when you have picks within the top 100. Just my opinion.
Again. People hear the word "waste" and assume it means "bust". That's not what I am saying here.
I am saying, in my opinion, we could have probably allocated those picks for better alternatives that benefit the team now.
We're a 5 - 2 team that still has holes, folks. It's okay to call these things out. Think of it as maintaining your dream home or keeping up with the yard work to keep the HOA off your back.
Still have 0 pass rush outside of Allen.
Still have 3 weaknesses along the offensive line.
Still have no viable rushing threat that's revealed itself outside of Etienne and Lawrence's mobility.
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(10-22-2023, 10:55 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2023, 10:50 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Dead serious. Muma has played in a few games in two years. He's not a starter. Seems like a waste of a pick that could have been put to better use.
Same goes for Bigsby just 7 weeks in. Not the only person here that feels this way on both accounts.
The reality? The team is 5 - 2 so nobody cares to call these things out in particular. Also, I am not calling these guys busts. Just like I haven't said that on Walker, Lloyd [when he's being grilled last year] nor Fortner.
It just seems like we're not allocating our assets properly and it's overshadowed by a 5 - 2 start but down the road? These kinds of choices could be the reason why this team couldn't get over the hump.
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The majority of 3rd round picks in this league isn't starters. I'd like to see the % but I'd bet it's less than 25%
And? I don't give a [BLEEP].
Just seems like Muma and Bigsby could have been other choices that potentially resolved our issues with the lack of pass rush and the interior line.
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(10-22-2023, 10:57 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2023, 10:29 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]If you can get decent depth out of your 3rd round pick it's not a wasted pick. You have to have depth. To early to tell on Bisgby as he hasn't even played half a season yet lol. I think Bigsby ends up being a good pick
I think you aim for starters when you have picks within the top 100. Just my opinion.
Again. People hear the word "waste" and assume it means "bust". That's not what I am saying here.
I am saying, in my opinion, we could have probably allocated those picks for better alternatives that benefit the team now.
We're a 5 - 2 team that still has holes, folks. It's okay to call these things out. Think of it as maintaining your dream home or keeping up with the yard work to keep the HOA off your back.
Still have 0 pass rush outside of Allen.
Still have 3 weaknesses along the offensive line.
Still have no viable rushing threat that's revealed itself outside of Etienne and Lawrence's mobility.
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(10-22-2023, 10:55 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]The majority of 3rd round picks in this league isn't starters. I'd like to see the % but I'd bet it's less than 25%
And? I don't give a [BLEEP].
Just seems like Muma and Bigsby could have been other choices that potentially resolved our issues with the lack of pass rush and the interior line.
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Needs base drafting, no thanks. You would have passed on Fred Warner in the 3rd because it wasn't a "need". I would of rather Torrence in the 2nd because I think he was the BPA at the time imo but they think Strange is a better player than Torrence. They just need to take the best player, they have the correct draft strategy they just need to fix their board. We need stars, I don't care which position that is.
(10-22-2023, 11:07 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2023, 10:57 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I think you aim for starters when you have picks within the top 100. Just my opinion.
Again. People hear the word "waste" and assume it means "bust". That's not what I am saying here.
I am saying, in my opinion, we could have probably allocated those picks for better alternatives that benefit the team now.
We're a 5 - 2 team that still has holes, folks. It's okay to call these things out. Think of it as maintaining your dream home or keeping up with the yard work to keep the HOA off your back.
Still have 0 pass rush outside of Allen.
Still have 3 weaknesses along the offensive line.
Still have no viable rushing threat that's revealed itself outside of Etienne and Lawrence's mobility.
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And? I don't give a [BLEEP].
Just seems like Muma and Bigsby could have been other choices that potentially resolved our issues with the lack of pass rush and the interior line.
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Needs base drafting, no thanks. You would have passed on Fred Warner in the 3rd because it wasn't a "need". I would of rather Torrence in the 2nd because I think he was the BPA at the time imo but they think Strange is a better player than Torrence. They just need to take the best player, they have the correct draft strategy they just need to fix their board. We need stars, I don't care which position that is.
Sounds an awful like your making value fit the positional need there.
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(10-22-2023, 11:14 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2023, 11:07 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Needs base drafting, no thanks. You would have passed on Fred Warner in the 3rd because it wasn't a "need". I would of rather Torrence in the 2nd because I think he was the BPA at the time imo but they think Strange is a better player than Torrence. They just need to take the best player, they have the correct draft strategy they just need to fix their board. We need stars, I don't care which position that is.
Sounds an awful like your making value fit the positional need there.
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He's a RG and I don't think RG is that big of a need with Scherff. It will be in a couple years but I seen Torrence as a 1st round talent and I felt he was the best player. Remains to be seen if he will be better than Strange. LG and pass rush was a bigger need than corner imo but I would have take Porter in the first. I think we should let the draft come to us instead of just taking positions to take a position
Just taking a interior lineman or pass rusher there wouldn't do [BLEEP] for us if they suck. I'd rather a good RB than a G or C that sucks.
LOL
Every single team drafts for needs with most of their early picks. It's insane that ppl still haven't figured this out.
If you really wanna talk about a stupid waste of draft capital - Baalke and co. took yet ANOTHER LB in the fourth round this year.
So dumb.
I don't bag on Baalke much, but I despise that pick.
(10-22-2023, 11:25 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOL
Every single team drafts for needs with most of their early picks. It's insane that ppl still haven't figured this out.
If you really wanna talk about a stupid waste of draft capital - Baalke and co. took yet ANOTHER LB in the fourth round this year.
So dumb.
I don't bag on Baalke much, but I despise that pick.
If that LB is a stud its a great pick. You would rather a C or G that sucks lol. TE wasn't a need and we took one in the 2nd
They had Strange higher on their board than they had Torrence. Hopefully they got that one right
(10-22-2023, 11:29 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2023, 11:25 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOL
Every single team drafts for needs with most of their early picks. It's insane that ppl still haven't figured this out.
If you really wanna talk about a stupid waste of draft capital - Baalke and co. took yet ANOTHER LB in the fourth round this year.
So dumb.
I don't bag on Baalke much, but I despise that pick.
If that LB is a stud its a great pick. You would rather a C or G that sucks lol. TE wasn't a need and we took one in the 2nd
They had Strange higher on their board than they had Torrence. Hopefully they got that one right
Gimme a [BLEEP] break
Blind speculation that they'd take a worthless OL instead of a worthless LB is not a valid argument
(10-22-2023, 11:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2023, 11:29 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]If that LB is a stud its a great pick. You would rather a C or G that sucks lol. TE wasn't a need and we took one in the 2nd
They had Strange higher on their board than they had Torrence. Hopefully they got that one right
Gimme a [BLEEP] break
Blind speculation that they'd take a worthless OL instead of a worthless LB is not a valid argument
You didnt throw out a name you wanted. Just taking a random olinman in the isnt a very good way to draft imo and most likely wont turn out very well.
(10-22-2023, 11:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2023, 11:29 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]If that LB is a stud its a great pick. You would rather a C or G that sucks lol. TE wasn't a need and we took one in the 2nd
They had Strange higher on their board than they had Torrence. Hopefully they got that one right
Gimme a [BLEEP] break
Blind speculation that they'd take a worthless OL instead of a worthless LB is not a valid argument
But he's a Gayter so he's gotta be great.
(10-22-2023, 11:25 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOL
Every single team drafts for needs with most of their early picks. It's insane that ppl still haven't figured this out.
If you really wanna talk about a stupid waste of draft capital - Baalke and co. took yet ANOTHER LB in the fourth round this year.
So dumb.
I don't bag on Baalke much, but I despise that pick.
I really don't have issue with the position drafted although I would have preferred another position. What disturbs me the most is the history of availability while in college. It just seems to me players that have trouble with game day availability in college really have that in the pro's. I do hope the kid proves me wrong.
(10-22-2023, 12:45 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2023, 11:25 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOL
Every single team drafts for needs with most of their early picks. It's insane that ppl still haven't figured this out.
If you really wanna talk about a stupid waste of draft capital - Baalke and co. took yet ANOTHER LB in the fourth round this year.
So dumb.
I don't bag on Baalke much, but I despise that pick.
I really don't have issue with the position drafted although I would have preferred another position. What disturbs me the most is the history of availability while in college. It just seems to me players that have trouble with game day availability in college really have that in the pro's. I do hope the kid proves me wrong.
I still think OL/DB should have been the focus in rounds 2 and 3, but i'll back off a little on them for not taking a DB since our defense has been pretty good.
(10-22-2023, 11:45 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2023, 11:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Gimme a [BLEEP] break
Blind speculation that they'd take a worthless OL instead of a worthless LB is not a valid argument
You didnt throw out a name you wanted. Just taking a random olinman in the isnt a very good way to draft imo and most likely wont turn out very well.
Such a stupid argument - I never said jack [BLEEP] about a lineman and no draft pick is "random" LOL - I'm saying they could have taken a player from their board that ranked similarly to Miller but a position they
actually need instead of adding a long shot to an already existing logjam of linebackers.
It was a stupid use of that draft capital. Every fourth rounder is gonna be a crapshoot to be worth a [BLEEP] or not. May as well gamble on one that may actually help you this century.
(10-22-2023, 01:36 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2023, 11:45 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]You didnt throw out a name you wanted. Just taking a random olinman in the isnt a very good way to draft imo and most likely wont turn out very well.
Such a stupid argument - I never said jack [BLEEP] about a lineman - I'm saying they could have taken a player from their board that ranked similarly to Miller but a position they actually need instead of adding a long shot to an already existing logjam of linebackers.
It was a stupid use of that draft capital. Every fourth rounder is gonna be a crapshoot to be worth a [BLEEP] or not. May as well gamble on one that may actually help you this century.
Well, if you want to play the odds this article is not bad. (I am sure it is not written in stone however)
https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/2/20...t-by-round
Here is what they say about 4th round success for a consistent starter.
4th Round - DL (37%) TE (33%) OL (29%) LB (16%) WR(12%) DB (11%) RB (11%) QB (8%)
Lloyd has stacked two elite level games together. If he keeps playing t this level, this could be a game changer for this defense.
Lloyd was all over in the passing game getting his hands on passes. Carr going to have nightmares about 33 and 23.
He's playing very well right now, and having Oluokun by his side only helps, not only him but Muma too, he did well in his last game as a starter. LB is a position I don't worry about, not only talking about future but depth as well
(10-22-2023, 01:36 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2023, 11:45 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]You didnt throw out a name you wanted. Just taking a random olinman in the isnt a very good way to draft imo and most likely wont turn out very well.
Such a stupid argument - I never said jack [BLEEP] about a lineman and no draft pick is "random" LOL - I'm saying they could have taken a player from their board that ranked similarly to Miller but a position they actually need instead of adding a long shot to an already existing logjam of linebackers.
It was a stupid use of that draft capital. Every fourth rounder is gonna be a crapshoot to be worth a [BLEEP] or not. May as well gamble on one that may actually help you this century.
Miller can absolutely help if he's a good LB. We could have used him a couple weeks ago but he is injured. You use your board and take the player you think will be the best that's left available
(10-22-2023, 02:34 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2023, 01:36 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Such a stupid argument - I never said jack [BLEEP] about a lineman - I'm saying they could have taken a player from their board that ranked similarly to Miller but a position they actually need instead of adding a long shot to an already existing logjam of linebackers.
It was a stupid use of that draft capital. Every fourth rounder is gonna be a crapshoot to be worth a [BLEEP] or not. May as well gamble on one that may actually help you this century.
Well, if you want to play the odds this article is not bad. (I am sure it is not written in stone however)
https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/2/20...t-by-round
Here is what they say about 4th round success for a consistent starter.
4th Round - DL (37%) TE (33%) OL (29%) LB (16%) WR(12%) DB (11%) RB (11%) QB (8%)
Running Backs
The position has been devalued over the years but the statistics still show that it is better to draft early if you are looking for a starter.
[*]Of the 207 players drafted 33 have become starters for half their careers. This gives an indication that there is a lot of Running Back By Committee (RBBC).
[*]
There is a very high bust rate for RBs. The first round gives you a 58% chance of finding a starter followed by 25% in the second, 16% in the third, 11% in the fourth, 9% in the fifth, 6% in the sixth and 0% in the 7th.
[*]If you rank the rounds by the total RBs drafted you find that the greatest number are drafted in the 7th, followed by the 4th, 6th, 2nd, 3rd, 1st, and 5th.
If you want a stud RB, they are likely to come from the first round. If you are looking for depth, the fourth round seems to be the place to go. This year Todd Gurley and Melvin Gordon have the first round grades based on statistics it seems likely that one of the two will be a bust. However, this could be like 2007 when AP and Beastmode went in the first round. For the Chiefs, since 2007 they have taken a RB every draft except 2010. Both Charles and Davis were the highest drafted both coming in the 3rd round.