Education board member gets booted after defending Constitution, speaking out against socialism
Senate of Virginia votes not to confirm board of education member who championed 'traditional American values'
A woman who championed "traditional American values" was booted from the Virginia Board of Education one week after sparring with another board member over whether public schools should present socialism as "incompatible with democracy."
https://www.foxnews.com/us/education-boa...-socialism
This is part of the reason we cannot co-exist with these rats. We don’t need to understand them, we should not compromise with them, we must simply defeat them
(02-08-2023, 08:00 AM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]This is part of the reason we cannot co-exist with these rats. We don’t need to understand them, we should not compromise with them, we must simply defeat them
You’re a garbage person.
(1) socialism can make it easier for bad people to overturn democracy (see Venezuela) but it is not incompatible per se (see Norway, Brazil, Mexico).
(2) "Traditional values" in Virginia call for the segregation of races, especially in schools and marriage. If we only teach kids anywhere in this country one thing about history, it should be that we expect them to be better than the "traditional values" they will encounter in history.
(02-08-2023, 09:47 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ](1) socialism can make it easier for bad people to overturn democracy (see Venezuela) but it is not incompatible per se (see Norway, Brazil, Mexico).
(2) "Traditional values" in Virginia call for the segregation of races, especially in schools and marriage. If we only teach kids anywhere in this country one thing about history, it should be that we expect them to be better than the "traditional values" they will encounter in history.
Norway can afford to be 'socialist' because of their high per capita income (thanks to Capitalism), so they are an idealized model that probably can't be replicated with a larger population. I'd argue that Mexico is more democratic than socialist since the turn of the millenium. Brazil; don't know and don't really care.
(02-08-2023, 10:52 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ] (02-08-2023, 09:47 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ](1) socialism can make it easier for bad people to overturn democracy (see Venezuela) but it is not incompatible per se (see Norway, Brazil, Mexico).
(2) "Traditional values" in Virginia call for the segregation of races, especially in schools and marriage. If we only teach kids anywhere in this country one thing about history, it should be that we expect them to be better than the "traditional values" they will encounter in history.
Norway can afford to be 'socialist' because of their high per capita income (thanks to Capitalism), so they are an idealized model that probably can't be replicated with a larger population. I'd argue that Mexico is more democratic than socialist since the turn of the millenium. Brazil; don't know and don't really care.
The simple test of socialism is, is there significant government ownership or control of productive industries. Norway, Brazil, and Mexico all have state owned oil companies. Norway does have many capitalist features, which contributes to their wealth. Brazil and Mexico also have many capitalist features but they are not as wealthy, for other reasons, mostly having to do with history.
(02-08-2023, 10:59 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (02-08-2023, 10:52 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Norway can afford to be 'socialist' because of their high per capita income (thanks to Capitalism), so they are an idealized model that probably can't be replicated with a larger population. I'd argue that Mexico is more democratic than socialist since the turn of the millenium. Brazil; don't know and don't really care.
The simple test of socialism is, is there significant government ownership or control of productive industries. Norway, Brazil, and Mexico all have state owned oil companies. Norway does have many capitalist features, which contributes to their wealth. Brazil and Mexico also have many capitalist features but they are not as wealthy, for other reasons, mostly having to do with history.
So, you're for the State to own productive industries????? I'll bet you my last dollar that those same industries would be under water within 6 months of Government control. It's been proven time and time again that the U.S. Government, especially when under Democrat control (Just look at Blue states and democrat run cities) that they always run things in to the ground. IMHO, the U.S. governmant is some of the most incompetent people in the known galaxy.........
(02-08-2023, 10:59 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (02-08-2023, 10:52 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Norway can afford to be 'socialist' because of their high per capita income (thanks to Capitalism), so they are an idealized model that probably can't be replicated with a larger population. I'd argue that Mexico is more democratic than socialist since the turn of the millenium. Brazil; don't know and don't really care.
The simple test of socialism is, is there significant government ownership or control of productive industries. Norway, Brazil, and Mexico all have state owned oil companies. Norway does have many capitalist features, which contributes to their wealth. Brazil and Mexico also have many capitalist features but they are not as wealthy, for other reasons, mostly having to do with history.
You don't know what you're talking about. Norway and Mexico aren't socialist. Period. Norway is a mixed economy. Brazil just elected a socialist leader. That doesn't mean the country is socialist... at least not yet. You love to throw socialism around and you aren't even in the ballpark. Stop reimagining worlds to make them fit a narrative, bro.
Your fresh take on "traditional values" might be the single dumbest thing that has ever come out of your mouth.
(02-08-2023, 12:27 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ] (02-08-2023, 10:59 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The simple test of socialism is, is there significant government ownership or control of productive industries. Norway, Brazil, and Mexico all have state owned oil companies. Norway does have many capitalist features, which contributes to their wealth. Brazil and Mexico also have many capitalist features but they are not as wealthy, for other reasons, mostly having to do with history.
So, you're for the State to own productive industries????? I'll bet you my last dollar that those same industries would be under water within 6 months of Government control. It's been proven time and time again that the U.S. Government, especially when under Democrat control (Just look at Blue states and democrat run cities) that they always run things in to the ground. IMHO, the U.S. governmant is some of the most incompetent people in the known galaxy.........
No, I am not, and for the reasons you cite.
However we have to guard against the opposite problem, which is when the wealthy owners of certain productive industries can get the government totally under their thumb. The government shouldn't own stuff, but it should be responsive to everyone, whether they own stuff or not.
(02-08-2023, 02:30 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (02-08-2023, 10:59 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The simple test of socialism is, is there significant government ownership or control of productive industries. Norway, Brazil, and Mexico all have state owned oil companies. Norway does have many capitalist features, which contributes to their wealth. Brazil and Mexico also have many capitalist features but they are not as wealthy, for other reasons, mostly having to do with history.
You don't know what you're talking about. Norway and Mexico aren't socialist. Period. Norway is a mixed economy. Brazil just elected a socialist leader. That doesn't mean the country is socialist... at least not yet. You love to throw socialism around and you aren't even in the ballpark. Stop reimagining worlds to make them fit a narrative, bro.
Your fresh take on "traditional values" might be the single dumbest thing that has ever come out of your mouth.
Nah, bro.
I'll take real economists and real historians on my side, and you can have your fringe crackpots and their definitions.
I'm not saying there aren't any good parts of our traditional values. In fact, if we limit the discussion to economics only, and confine "tradition" to the period from 1865 to 1929 only, those are some pretty good values that we would do well to try to bring back. But that's not what most politicians mean when they talk about "traditional values". Unfortunately most politicians intend it to be a dog whistle for bigots who want to go back to the days when no one was openly gay, and blacks and women all knew their place.
(02-08-2023, 04:49 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not saying there aren't any good parts of our traditional values. In fact, if we limit the discussion to economics only, and confine "tradition" to the period from 1865 to 1929 only, those are some pretty good values that we would do well to try to bring back. But that's not what most politicians mean when they talk about "traditional values". Unfortunately most politicians intend it to be a dog whistle for bigots who want to go back to the days when no one was openly gay, and blacks and women all knew their place.
If you honestly believe that, you need to look in your own heart.
(02-08-2023, 07:51 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (02-08-2023, 04:49 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not saying there aren't any good parts of our traditional values. In fact, if we limit the discussion to economics only, and confine "tradition" to the period from 1865 to 1929 only, those are some pretty good values that we would do well to try to bring back. But that's not what most politicians mean when they talk about "traditional values". Unfortunately most politicians intend it to be a dog whistle for bigots who want to go back to the days when no one was openly gay, and blacks and women all knew their place.
If you honestly believe that, you need to look in your own heart.
Exactly, I don’t know anyone that subscribes nor thinks this way. Quite the opposite. Seriously, they really believe the false narrative, they created.
Project, project, project
As a teacher myself, I am very concerned with the educational system as a whole. Kids nowadays need to understand the basics of being a morally responsible young adult in both an emotional and social sense.
Is my job stressful? Sure. Are their some kids I would like to bring back the paddle for lol? Sure.
Do I want to do any other career?
Absolutely not.
I know its a cliche, but kids are our future, for good or bad.
(02-08-2023, 04:21 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (02-08-2023, 12:27 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]So, you're for the State to own productive industries????? I'll bet you my last dollar that those same industries would be under water within 6 months of Government control. It's been proven time and time again that the U.S. Government, especially when under Democrat control (Just look at Blue states and democrat run cities) that they always run things in to the ground. IMHO, the U.S. governmant is some of the most incompetent people in the known galaxy.........
No, I am not, and for the reasons you cite.
However we have to guard against the opposite problem, which is when the wealthy owners of certain productive industries can get the government totally under their thumb. The government shouldn't own stuff, but it should be responsive to everyone, whether they own stuff or not.
(02-08-2023, 02:30 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]You don't know what you're talking about. Norway and Mexico aren't socialist. Period. Norway is a mixed economy. Brazil just elected a socialist leader. That doesn't mean the country is socialist... at least not yet. You love to throw socialism around and you aren't even in the ballpark. Stop reimagining worlds to make them fit a narrative, bro.
Your fresh take on "traditional values" might be the single dumbest thing that has ever come out of your mouth.
Nah, bro.
I'll take real economists and real historians on my side, and you can have your fringe crackpots and their definitions.
[BLEEP] are you talking about? Who? Who are your REAL economists and REAL historians.
(02-08-2023, 09:19 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ] (02-08-2023, 07:51 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]If you honestly believe that, you need to look in your own heart.
Exactly, I don’t know anyone that subscribes nor thinks this way. Quite the opposite. Seriously, they really believe the false narrative, they created.
Project, project, project
I'm not calling you guys racist. You might have some racist thoughts in your subconscious, most people do. Whether you do or not, is not relevant to my point, What I'm saying is there are some people with conscious racist thoughts, and they tend to latch on to words like "traditional values" as a safe way to say what they're for. So, even if we really do want to bring back certain good aspects of the past, if we don't want to be called racist, we should avoid making blanket statements about "traditional values." We should be much more specific.
(02-08-2023, 09:39 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (02-08-2023, 09:19 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly, I don’t know anyone that subscribes nor thinks this way. Quite the opposite. Seriously, they really believe the false narrative, they created.
Project, project, project
I'm not calling you guys racist. You might have some racist thoughts in your subconscious, most people do. Whether you do or not, is not relevant to my point, What I'm saying is there are some people with conscious racist thoughts, and they tend to latch on to words like "traditional values" as a safe way to say what they're for. So, even if we really do want to bring back certain good aspects of the past, if we don't want to be called racist, we should avoid making blanket statements about "traditional values." We should be much more specific.
Nice back stroke.
(02-08-2023, 09:34 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (02-08-2023, 04:21 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]No, I am not, and for the reasons you cite.
However we have to guard against the opposite problem, which is when the wealthy owners of certain productive industries can get the government totally under their thumb. The government shouldn't own stuff, but it should be responsive to everyone, whether they own stuff or not.
Nah, bro.
I'll take real economists and real historians on my side, and you can have your fringe crackpots and their definitions.
[BLEEP] are you talking about? Who? Who are your REAL economists and REAL historians.
Maybe Howard Zinn and Richard Wolffe?
Yeah... that google search probably isn't going so well for him.