I'll give it a C until we see some of these guys on the field, this darft had me scratching my head for three solid days.
But then again, there have been reports of lice at the kids' school.
I think we won the Day 3 Draft, which may help us win some preseason games.
In my mind, it’s impossible to grade a draft until at least Final Cut day. Maybe even longer as players develop.
(05-02-2023, 10:12 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]In my mind, it’s impossible to grade a draft until at least Final Cut day. Maybe even longer as players develop.
It’s fun to prognosticate, but the above is true. It’s also common for TE’s to take longer to develop than other skill positions as well. As a result, I look forward to people calling Strange a bust half way through his first season.
(05-02-2023, 11:04 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (05-02-2023, 10:12 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]In my mind, it’s impossible to grade a draft until at least Final Cut day. Maybe even longer as players develop.
It’s fun to prognosticate, but the above is true. It’s also common for TE’s to take longer to develop than other skill positions as well. As a result, I look forward to people calling Strange a bust half way through his first season.
I have a good feeling about him. He's an H-Back. He's going to be moving a lot in between the backfield, the inline and he'll be able to flank out and handle some additional things in the passing game.
Expect a lot of drag routes, bubble screens and motion stuff within the redzone but he'll be blocking almost extensively used in 3rd and short situations to keep a defense guessing if it's a quick pass or run.
He's going to be fun to watch early and often. He's got Doug as the coach. That, in and of itself, should get everybody excited. I wouldn't be surprised if we see some of those KC Kelce type plays they like to run with him around the goalline.
(05-02-2023, 11:04 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (05-02-2023, 10:12 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]In my mind, it’s impossible to grade a draft until at least Final Cut day. Maybe even longer as players develop.
It’s fun to prognosticate, but the above is true. It’s also common for TE’s to take longer to develop than other skill positions as well. As a result, I look forward to people calling Strange a bust half way through his first season.
Lol, like they'll wait that long.
I think grading a draft is sort of impossible. Now what we can do is grade if we addressed needs. In which case I'd give it a C because I think our team decided to focus on actual need only starting in the 5th round. I don't dislike the player we took in the earlier rounds, but I think there were better options at positions of need available to take.
To me, in addition to drafting a potentially very good NFL tackle, the best part of this draft was watching our 3 AFC South rivals all draft quarterbacks with many flaws. I don't see any of those three becoming good quarterbacks in the NFL. On the other hand, I believe Young can become very good.
(05-02-2023, 11:04 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (05-02-2023, 10:12 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]In my mind, it’s impossible to grade a draft until at least Final Cut day. Maybe even longer as players develop.
It’s fun to prognosticate, but the above is true. It’s also common for TE’s to take longer to develop than other skill positions as well. As a result, I look forward to people calling Strange a bust half way through his first season.
Kyle Pitts and Evan Engram both had pretty good rookie seasons.
(05-02-2023, 02:23 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (05-02-2023, 11:04 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]It’s fun to prognosticate, but the above is true. It’s also common for TE’s to take longer to develop than other skill positions as well. As a result, I look forward to people calling Strange a bust half way through his first season.
Kyle Pitts and Evan Engram both had pretty good rookie seasons.
I'd like to see him have a Freiermuth like rookie season. Coming from the same coaching, same college, and drafted in the same round.
It’s very unlikely Strange has a very impactful rookie year stats wise because there’s not enough targets to go around.
Engram, Kirk, Ridley, Zay and ETN all likely out target him. Engram will always be on the field on 3rd down too.
Still like the pick though
(05-02-2023, 04:12 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]It’s very unlikely Strange has a very impactful rookie year stats wise because there’s not enough targets to go around.
Engram, Kirk, Ridley, Zay and ETN all likely out target him. Engram will always be on the field on 3rd down too.
Still like the pick though
This is my line of thinking as well. He's going to be a quiet contributor that the all 22 guys are going to like going back to watch and circle when Etienne is cracking 10+ yards on a pitch or off tackle because Strange threw a mean lead block.
I really think he'll earn his hay inside the 25 - 30 yard range though when we start getting closer and closer to the redzone. This is where I think Doug's creativity will open up more and we'll see a combination of him, Engram and Etienne out there.
Anything he puts up statistically as a rookie will be very close to what he did during his time at Penn St. So, expect maybe anywhere from 20 - 30 catches on the year, 200 - 300 yards receiving and a handful of TD's.
Of course, I say all that, and, knowing my luck? Doug will find a game or two where he sees a mismatch and catches a team sleeping and Strange goes off on those weeks for 5+ catches, 70+ yards and 1+ TD's. Which would probably be a possibility with them taking him with the 61st overall pick.
Spielman did make a good point about low quality QB play at Penn St. This might actually bode well for Paker Washington as well. These two guys are used to making ugly, tough, contested catches. They'll get lost in the shuffle and maybe gouge a team or two here and there if given the opportunity.
Man, is it preseason yet? LFG!!!!!!!!!!!
During his rookie season, don’t expect pro bowl numbers. With Kirk, Jones, Ridley, Etienne, Bigsby, Engram, Agnew, Washington, and Strange we have the luxury of having weapons like we did back in 1999 when we had guys like Jimmy Smith , Keenan McCardell, Fred Taylor, James Stewart, Tavian Banks, Kyle Brady, Reggie Barlow, Stacey Mack, Alvis Whitted, and Chris Howard.
When you have a roster that has that many weapons, he will just have to contribute when his number is called. Accounting for the running plays which will be somewhere between 15-22 rushes per game. Kirk, Ridley and Jones will get the lions share of targets.
That’s not to say he won’t have that game where he gets 6 to 7 targets and ends up with 5 catches for 68 yards and a tub.
I just want to see him catch the balls he’s supposed to and block those DE’s in the dirt through the whistle.
(05-02-2023, 09:50 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]I think we won the Day 3 Draft, which may help us win some preseason games.
August champions!! Woo!
(05-02-2023, 10:12 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]In my mind, it’s impossible to grade a draft until at least Final Cut day. Maybe even longer as players develop.
I think sometimes you can get a better idea than others that you either plugged up a bunch of needs, got great value in picks, or secured so capital for the future to give a little more confidence that the picks will be productive.
I think this year is one of those others. I just don't know that we will see a lot of immediate results - this my not bear fruit for another year or two, and that's fine, so long as in two years you're not having to fill these gaps along with other gaps that open up along the way.
(05-02-2023, 11:04 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (05-02-2023, 10:12 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]In my mind, it’s impossible to grade a draft until at least Final Cut day. Maybe even longer as players develop.
It’s fun to prognosticate, but the above is true. It’s also common for TE’s to take longer to develop than other skill positions as well. As a result, I look forward to people calling Strange a bust half way through his first season.
I'll refrain and leave the criticism at "at least he's better than Teboq"
(05-02-2023, 02:19 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]I think grading a draft is sort of impossible. Now what we can do is grade if we addressed needs. In which case I'd give it a C because I think our team decided to focus on actual need only starting in the 5th round. I don't dislike the player we took in the earlier rounds, but I think there were better options at positions of need available to take.
You don't think Round 1 was a pick that addressed need?
okay then.
How refreshing to not need a half dozen rookies to play well immediately in order to dream of a .500 season.
(04-30-2023, 12:36 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]C
Too many longshots to make the roster
Poor positional value given roster needs
Inability to trade back up
I like the OT
TE looks like an optimistic outlook - fingers crossed
then the whole thing kind of flounders around in muddy water to me
I'm glad they found bodies at OLB/edge, DT, and DB, but they are all fighting against the odds to be real contributors in 2023 based on actual rookie production from those areas of the draft historically - and i think 6 or 7 picks will not even make the roster
I agree with your grade and reasoning, however I do like the players we took. I think if we threw need out the window and were just grading it based on the players i'd probably give it a B. But as i've said recently, much like with running backs I don't like taking TE early, and I think taking a RB in the 3rd round was an even bigger waste of value... but it is what it is, and these guys may prove to be more valuable than we think.
(05-03-2023, 08:55 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (05-02-2023, 02:19 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]I think grading a draft is sort of impossible. Now what we can do is grade if we addressed needs. In which case I'd give it a C because I think our team decided to focus on actual need only starting in the 5th round. I don't dislike the player we took in the earlier rounds, but I think there were better options at positions of need available to take.
You don't think Round 1 was a pick that addressed need?
okay then.
You think drafting backups at positions where we have potential superstar level talent like RB/TE/LB is addressing needs?
Anton Harrision could be viewed as a needs based pick based on 2 things
Jaguars FO dosen't see Cam Robinson remaining a Jaguar
Jaguars FO dosen't believe in Walker Little as a long term solution
If they plan on Cam staying once he's served his suspension, and they expect Little to remain a starter aswell then i'd view it as a bandaid selection for the 6-10 games Cam is likely to miss this year, which I wouldn't consider it a needs based selection.
With that being said, I do like the pick because I'm hopeful that Cam Robinson will be traded off along with his dumb contract allowing us to have more cap space while also getting younger at tackle.