This position has gotten pretty interesting this offseason.
Most Jags fans are confident in ETN producing in Pederson's offense, but we saw the ball security issues, and we saw the propensity to take big hits that lead to durability questions.
So here we are with:
ETN atop the heap - former 1st rounder about to become part of a committee by most logic
Tank Bigsby - the next logical guess at a number 2 guy to spell ETN and play situationally
Then we have D'Ernest Johnson, Hasty, Snoop Conner and others battling for a backup role -
And a longshot FB trying to catch on in Derek Parish. (who could conceivably be listed as H-Back/TE on the roster if he makes the cut)
Article on this from D-Roc:
https://www.espn.com/blog/jacksonville-j...s-workload
For some reason I have a feeling tank will play a bigger roll than expected
(05-29-2023, 02:59 PM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]For some reason I have a feeling tank will play a bigger roll than expected
Pederson is all about rolling with the hot hand, so if he gets hot, I wouldn't be surprised if he got lots of opportunity to show whether or not he can sustain the heat.
(05-29-2023, 03:15 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (05-29-2023, 02:59 PM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]For some reason I have a feeling tank will play a bigger roll than expected
Pederson is all about rolling with the hot hand, so if he gets hot, I wouldn't be surprised if he got lots of opportunity to show whether or not he can sustain the heat.
Maybe we letting tank take those short yardage situations?
(05-29-2023, 06:20 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ] (05-29-2023, 03:15 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Pederson is all about rolling with the hot hand, so if he gets hot, I wouldn't be surprised if he got lots of opportunity to show whether or not he can sustain the heat.
Maybe we letting tank take those short yardage situations?
I think they'd love to have someone in that RB room they feel they can lean on in those situations.
Maybe it's Bigsby. Seems a good bet.
Maybe camp ends up producing a surprise emergence from another back.
Regardless, we've got a coach that is going to get production out of whomever they keep around, and they aren't going to spend a 3rd round pick without at least trying to let him carve out a role.
ETN, Tank and Johnson are locks.
I really don't see Snoop making the 53, because what does he bring? Doug has said multiple times that he likes/wants his RBs to play Special Teams and Snoop didn't play a single ST snap last season. He only played 38 O snaps throughout 8 games.
So that leaves Hasty, Qadree Ollison, or a new signing as the 4th (if they keep 4).
Hasty signed an extension in Feb. I’d say that makes him a lock. I think Parish makes the team on positional flexibility. ETN, Tank, Hasty and Parish make 4 and leaves Johnson, Snoop and Qadree Ollison to fight for any remaining spots the team decides to allocate to the RB room.
I’m guessing it’s 1 more spot and I can see arguments for Johnson or Snoop. Neither guy costs much of anything to cut, so it will come down to current ability, potential and age. I’d lean Snoop given this will only be his 2nd year, but I could see Johnson winning a job in camp too. Longshot they keep both. It’s tough if you start going through the entire roster and trying to pick out 53 names.
The guarantees communicate the front office intent. De’Ernest has $50k guaranteed at signing, Ollison has no guaranteed money. Snoop is going into his 2nd year of his rookie 4 year deal. $326k signing bonus was his only guaranteed money which has already been paid though he would have a dead cap number of $244k for the unaccounted for as of yet signing bonus. He’s also the cheapest to keep this year at $870k vs ~$1.2M for Johnson and ~$1.1M for Ollison.
Hard to read intent into year 2 of a rookie deal especially if they’ve soured on him. The other two deals are non-committal and basically saying, “sure, you can come try out for the team but we’re not promising anything.” I think the signings were part insurance against the draft board not going as they hoped/expected and part insurance against pre-season injury. None of these contracts prohibit anyone from getting cut. Even Hasty who is on a fresh 2 year deal doesn’t have a big enough guarantee to necessarily protect him, but his deal is a lot more committal than the other 3. At the very least it shows they expect him to make the team.
Bottom line is, Johnson or Ollison is likely going to have to show to be significantly better (or more useful on special teams) than Snoop to make the team. If the difference is negligible, they’ll just roll with Snoop’s youth and cheaper salary.
(05-29-2023, 02:59 PM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]For some reason I have a feeling tank will play a bigger roll than expected
Speak for urself.
Expect him to be a starter quality player and beg he question if you extend ETN.
Going into 2023, I think it's safe to say that thus room is a strength. I think we have the makings of a two headed monster that can keep guys fresh through the season and won't have much of a drop off if one of the top line guys gets hurt.
If the line creates seems, look out. These guys can make housecalls.
(05-29-2023, 08:06 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]The guarantees communicate the front office intent. De’Ernest has $50k guaranteed at signing, Ollison has no guaranteed money. Snoop is going into his 2nd year of his rookie 4 year deal. $326k signing bonus was his only guaranteed money which has already been paid though he would have a dead cap number of $244k for the unaccounted for as of yet signing bonus. He’s also the cheapest to keep this year at $870k vs ~$1.2M for Johnson and ~$1.1M for Ollison.
Hard to read intent into year 2 of a rookie deal especially if they’ve soured on him. The other two deals are non-committal and basically saying, “sure, you can come try out for the team but we’re not promising anything.” I think the signings were part insurance against the draft board not going as they hoped/expected and part insurance against pre-season injury. None of these contracts prohibit anyone from getting cut. Even Hasty who is on a fresh 2 year deal doesn’t have a big enough guarantee to necessarily protect him, but his deal is a lot more committal than the other 3. At the very least it shows they expect him to make the team.
Bottom line is, Johnson or Ollison is likely going to have to show to be significantly better (or more useful on special teams) than Snoop to make the team. If the difference is negligible, they’ll just roll with Snoop’s youth and cheaper salary.
Snoop doesn't bring anything to the table besides wasted draft picks. He doesn't play Special Teams and could barely get on the field in a weak RB room last year. Doug has already made it a point that he wants his RBs to play ST.
Johnson 55% (16 games), 35% (16 games), 34% (17 games), 52% (15 games) ST snaps throughout his career so far. He also more than held his own when he had to carry the rock. 5.2 average.
Hasty 29% (8 games), 39% (11 games), 37% (17 games) ST snaps throughout his career so far. He added 20% of the Offensive snaps this past season, but that was in a very weak RB room where ETN logged more snaps than he should of because he didn't really have anybody who could relieve him.
Ollison 43% (8 games), 20% (3 games), 33% (8 games), 43% (3 games) ST snaps through his career so far.
They all have the upper hand on Snoop due to STs alone.
Johnson, Hasty and Ollison are all but making the same amount of $$ this season. The only real difference is the dead cap hit. Hasty would have a $300k dead cap hit, Johnson would have a $50k dead cap hit and Ollison would have $0. Hasty has the advantage of having 1 year in the scheme, but Johnson is the better player IMO.
Snoop has a $245k dead cap hit, but none of their dead cap hits are going to be the deciding factor in whether they're cut or not. At least lets hope not. We're talking peanuts here in the big picture of things.
Hopefully they're smart enough to realize they need to eat their losses with Snoop and let him move on. The four should be ETN, Tank, Johnson and Hasty. You then decide whether you want to keep 3 TEs and a FB, or 4 TEs.
(05-29-2023, 11:59 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-29-2023, 08:06 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]The guarantees communicate the front office intent. De’Ernest has $50k guaranteed at signing, Ollison has no guaranteed money. Snoop is going into his 2nd year of his rookie 4 year deal. $326k signing bonus was his only guaranteed money which has already been paid though he would have a dead cap number of $244k for the unaccounted for as of yet signing bonus. He’s also the cheapest to keep this year at $870k vs ~$1.2M for Johnson and ~$1.1M for Ollison.
Hard to read intent into year 2 of a rookie deal especially if they’ve soured on him. The other two deals are non-committal and basically saying, “sure, you can come try out for the team but we’re not promising anything.” I think the signings were part insurance against the draft board not going as they hoped/expected and part insurance against pre-season injury. None of these contracts prohibit anyone from getting cut. Even Hasty who is on a fresh 2 year deal doesn’t have a big enough guarantee to necessarily protect him, but his deal is a lot more committal than the other 3. At the very least it shows they expect him to make the team.
Bottom line is, Johnson or Ollison is likely going to have to show to be significantly better (or more useful on special teams) than Snoop to make the team. If the difference is negligible, they’ll just roll with Snoop’s youth and cheaper salary.
Snoop doesn't bring anything to the table besides wasted draft picks. He doesn't play Special Teams and could barely get on the field in a weak RB room last year. Doug has already made it a point that he wants his RBs to play ST.
Johnson 55% (16 games), 35% (16 games), 34% (17 games), 52% (15 games) ST snaps throughout his career so far. He also more than held his own when he had to carry the rock. 5.2 average.
Hasty 29% (8 games), 39% (11 games), 37% (17 games) ST snaps throughout his career so far. He added 20% of the Offensive snaps this past season, but that was in a very weak RB room where ETN logged more snaps than he should of because he didn't really have anybody who could relieve him.
Ollison 43% (8 games), 20% (3 games), 33% (8 games), 43% (3 games) ST snaps through his career so far.
They all have the upper hand on Snoop due to STs alone.
Johnson, Hasty and Ollison are all but making the same amount of $$ this season. The only real difference is the dead cap hit. Hasty would have a $300k dead cap hit, Johnson would have a $50k dead cap hit and Ollison would have $0. Hasty has the advantage of having 1 year in the scheme, but Johnson is the better player IMO.
Snoop has a $245k dead cap hit, but none of their dead cap hits are going to be the deciding factor in whether they're cut or not. At least lets hope not. We're talking peanuts here in the big picture of things.
Hopefully they're smart enough to realize they need to eat their losses with Snoop and let him move on. The four should be ETN, Tank, Johnson and Hasty. You then decide whether you want to keep 3 TEs and a FB, or 4 TEs.
We'll see. I just wouldn't write a guy off going into his first offseason with the info we currently have at hand. Camp/pre-season will ultimately decide.
Last year, the Jaguars kept four running backs. The strong favorites this year are Etienne, Bigsby, Johnson and Hasty. Snoop isn't very good and doesn't play special teams. He's very likely cut. In 2022, Baalke cut a fourth rounder from the previous year (Jay Tufele) after only one season, so I don't think Baalke is going to blindly keep Snoop just because he was a fifth round pick.
The interesting one is Derek Parish. Last year, the Jaguars kept 4 running backs and 4 tight ends. I originally thought the Jaguars would only keep three tight ends (Engram, Strange, and Farrell) and use the extra roster spot on Parish. However, the emergency quarterback rule passed. As such, I think they keep 3 quarterbacks this year instead of two. This makes Parish's job of making the team harder. How does he get a spot? Does he need to beat out either Hasty or Johnson? Do the Jaguars only keep five wide receivers? Do the Jaguars keep one less defensive player? I think Parish is going to have to be very impressive on special teams in order to earn a 53 man roster spot.
I don't think they bother with a 3rd qb; I really don't think that many teams will. Had they added a 54th spot specifically for that guy then everyone would do it, but most teams aren't going to waste a positional spot on a guy needed in all of two games last season.
(05-30-2023, 12:14 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]Last year, the Jaguars kept four running backs. The strong favorites this year are Etienne, Bigsby, Johnson and Hasty. Snoop isn't very good and doesn't play special teams. He's very likely cut. In 2022, Baalke cut a fourth rounder from the previous year (Jay Tufele) after only one season, so I don't think Baalke is going to blindly keep Snoop just because he was a fifth round pick.
The interesting one is Derek Parish. Last year, the Jaguars kept 4 running backs and 4 tight ends. I originally thought the Jaguars would only keep three tight ends (Engram, Strange, and Farrell) and use the extra roster spot on Parish. However, the emergency quarterback rule passed. As such, I think they keep 3 quarterbacks this year instead of two. This makes Parish's job of making the team harder. How does he get a spot? Does he need to beat out either Hasty or Johnson? Do the Jaguars only keep five wide receivers? Do the Jaguars keep one less defensive player? I think Parish is going to have to be very impressive on special teams in order to earn a 53 man roster spot.
Parish is interesting and I'm rooting for him to make the team somehow. His versatility is valuable and I think a guy like that that has multiple skill sets should be able to carve out a role on special teams and be active on game day. Would love to see a guy do multiple things well and make appearances on both sides of the ball in a game. A Pats fan highlighted him pre-draft here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyT4jNKZA5I
(05-30-2023, 12:52 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think they bother with a 3rd qb; I really don't think that many teams will. Had they added a 54th spot specifically for that guy then everyone would do it, but most teams aren't going to waste a positional spot on a guy needed in all of two games last season.
Yeah that probably comes more into play in playoff games or de facto playoff games late in the year. I don't think you'd automatically roster 3 QBs unless you really liked your 3rd QB. Who knows, maybe the Jags really like Rourke.
(05-30-2023, 01:49 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (05-30-2023, 12:52 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think they bother with a 3rd qb; I really don't think that many teams will. Had they added a 54th spot specifically for that guy then everyone would do it, but most teams aren't going to waste a positional spot on a guy needed in all of two games last season.
Yeah that probably comes more into play in playoff games or de facto playoff games late in the year. I don't think you'd automatically roster 3 QBs unless you really liked your 3rd QB. Who knows, maybe the Jags really like Rourke.
I think the Jaguars do keep 3 QB's given the new rules. The problem before was to play, the third quarterback had to count as an active player. It now takes the place of an inactive player. On game day, teams will have two options:
Option A: 1 emergency quarterback, 4 inactive players
Option B: 5 inactive players
I think the Jaguars will opt for Option A.
If nothing else, it will make cut day more interesting.
(05-30-2023, 12:14 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]Last year, the Jaguars kept four running backs. The strong favorites this year are Etienne, Bigsby, Johnson and Hasty. Snoop isn't very good and doesn't play special teams. He's very likely cut. In 2022, Baalke cut a fourth rounder from the previous year (Jay Tufele) after only one season, so I don't think Baalke is going to blindly keep Snoop just because he was a fifth round pick.
The interesting one is Derek Parish. Last year, the Jaguars kept 4 running backs and 4 tight ends. I originally thought the Jaguars would only keep three tight ends (Engram, Strange, and Farrell) and use the extra roster spot on Parish. However, the emergency quarterback rule passed. As such, I think they keep 3 quarterbacks this year instead of two. This makes Parish's job of making the team harder. How does he get a spot? Does he need to beat out either Hasty or Johnson? Do the Jaguars only keep five wide receivers? Do the Jaguars keep one less defensive player? I think Parish is going to have to be very impressive on special teams in order to earn a 53 man roster spot.
^this. I just don't see a route to the 53 for Snoop. I see the Derek Parish role potentially similar to previous Jag and 2-time pro-bowler FB/ST Montell Owen; he'll make the 53 largely due to what he shows on special teams.
(05-30-2023, 01:23 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (05-30-2023, 12:14 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]Last year, the Jaguars kept four running backs. The strong favorites this year are Etienne, Bigsby, Johnson and Hasty. Snoop isn't very good and doesn't play special teams. He's very likely cut. In 2022, Baalke cut a fourth rounder from the previous year (Jay Tufele) after only one season, so I don't think Baalke is going to blindly keep Snoop just because he was a fifth round pick.
The interesting one is Derek Parish. Last year, the Jaguars kept 4 running backs and 4 tight ends. I originally thought the Jaguars would only keep three tight ends (Engram, Strange, and Farrell) and use the extra roster spot on Parish. However, the emergency quarterback rule passed. As such, I think they keep 3 quarterbacks this year instead of two. This makes Parish's job of making the team harder. How does he get a spot? Does he need to beat out either Hasty or Johnson? Do the Jaguars only keep five wide receivers? Do the Jaguars keep one less defensive player? I think Parish is going to have to be very impressive on special teams in order to earn a 53 man roster spot.
Parish is interesting and I'm rooting for him to make the team somehow. His versatility is valuable and I think a guy like that that has multiple skill sets should be able to carve out a role on special teams and be active on game day. Would love to see a guy do multiple things well and make appearances on both sides of the ball in a game. A Pats fan highlighted him pre-draft here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyT4jNKZA5I
I just saw this video and it makes me think Parrish will make this team. He can do so many things well and his athleticism is off the charts. Although he was drafted as a running back, I could definitely see him utilized as a pass rusher at times. Etienne and Bigsby are obvious locks at running back with Hasty 3rd in line. Hasty does have some guaranteed money on his contract so it's unlikely he'd be cut. However, if Johnson looks good in the pre-season, it's possible they could trade Hasty to a team needing a back for a 6th or 7th round pick. If they don't want to part with Hasty, I'd likely prefer Parrish to Johnson due to his versatility.
(05-31-2023, 11:27 AM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-30-2023, 01:49 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah that probably comes more into play in playoff games or de facto playoff games late in the year. I don't think you'd automatically roster 3 QBs unless you really liked your 3rd QB. Who knows, maybe the Jags really like Rourke.
I think the Jaguars do keep 3 QB's given the new rules. The problem before was to play, the third quarterback had to count as an active player. It now takes the place of an inactive player. On game day, teams will have two options:
Option A: 1 emergency quarterback, 4 inactive players
Option B: 5 inactive players
I think the Jaguars will opt for Option A.
If nothing else, it will make cut day more interesting.
Nah, no one (or a very small number) is going to keep a 3rd QB in lieu of a position player. There's just no value in it. If you're needing a 3rd QB he's already on your practice squad or you've got a Tractor Signal stashed at your stadium.