I have no doubt a new contract plays a major role in this. Allen is not an Alpha pass Rusher. If he is asking near a 9 figure deal I would let him walk. Allen is a solid football that is overhyped on this board. He had that great 2017 year but has been pretty average since then. Allen will get pressure but rarely finish. He is Averaging below 7 sacks a year for his career.
Some will say sacks are not everything but I call that statement complete crap. In today's NFL pressures are not good enough. Look how many times just last year, we saw a QB escape pressure to make a huge play down field or with their legs? Sacks kill the play and kill momentum. Sacks mean so much more than pressures.
So Allen in 4 years is Averaging less than 7 sacks per season. His best season was way back in 2017. Allen needs a big guy on the other side because he is not an Alpha rusher. How much is a fair deal for him?
My Max is 5 years $60 million with incentives sprinkled in. Josh Allen is a solid football player but hesitate to call good. Far from elite.
He’s overhyped on this board?
He's been solid but not even close to an ALL Pro, I think he gets traded by the deadline unless he gets major production early in the season. I like him though, he's a very good character guy and has been through a lot as a Jag, I hope he turns the corner and we sign him to a long term deal.
(05-31-2023, 08:15 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]He’s overhyped on this board?
Yea some claim him to be a monster because he gets pressures.
I don’t think he’ll be back next year. We need the cap space for better players..Trevor, of course, but also Campbell.
(05-31-2023, 08:31 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2023, 08:15 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]He’s overhyped on this board?
Yea some claim him to be a monster because he gets pressures.
Not so much here. The general consensus around here is probably in line with your original post. Hopefully he comes out like gangbusters this year though.
(05-31-2023, 08:31 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2023, 08:15 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]He’s overhyped on this board?
Yea some claim him to be a monster because he gets pressures
A "monster?'
I don't think anyone has called him that since his rookie year.
(05-31-2023, 08:31 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2023, 08:15 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]He’s overhyped on this board?
Yea some claim him to be a monster because he gets pressures.
I must be reading a different board.
What is he doing that will help him get better instead of attending OTAs? If he is learning, great but if he isn't he is just risking injury away from the team or sitting at home doing nothing. Skipping them isn't going to get him a contract unless he is improving.
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(05-31-2023, 10:17 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2023, 08:31 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]Yea some claim him to be a monster because he gets pressures.
I must be reading a different board.
Check out his Join Date, the problem becomes clear.
Well josh hasn’t had much help if you consider that the jags traded away most of the defense in a rebuild not too long ago. Hopefully this defense is better in 2023.
I mean it is the same defense and coordinator as last year.
It is most of the same players and DL unit as last year.
He is basically a veteran now at the end of his rookie deal.
Isn't skipping the OTA's part of what is allowable per the CBA? Why is everyone jumping to him being lazy or pissed about the contract or not good at his job?
I'm pretty sure if most of the people on this board would do the same thing if they were told by their job they had the option of coming to some extra work events but they would not get extra money for coming to those events.
It's not like coming to OTA's will net him a big next contract. The only way he will do that is by playing really well this year and finally getting double digit sacks.
Imho not trading him for Kansas City’s first round selection was a mistake. I “think” the Chiefs were offering it at the trading deadline last year.
If he shows up to earn his new contract, I couldn't care less about him missing OTA's. However, it looks bad as a team captain from last season though. Hoping there is no drama/locker room effect. He isn't an elite rusher/player by any means.
Meh, let me know when he's skipping anything mandatory and then I'll be somewhat concerned. Pretty sure Engram isn't at OTAs either.
Yes, it’s much about nothing at this point.
(05-31-2023, 08:24 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]He's been solid but not even close to an ALL Pro, I think he gets traded by the deadline unless he gets major production early in the season. I like him though, he's a very good character guy and has been through a lot as a Jag, I hope he turns the corner and we sign him to a long term deal.
His agent is pressing this strategy. They hope the front office will cave to a new deal out of preseason fear and forget that he's not an elite pass rusher.
(06-01-2023, 07:30 AM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2023, 08:24 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]He's been solid but not even close to an ALL Pro, I think he gets traded by the deadline unless he gets major production early in the season. I like him though, he's a very good character guy and has been through a lot as a Jag, I hope he turns the corner and we sign him to a long term deal.
His agent is pressing this strategy. They hope the front office will cave to a new deal out of preseason fear and forget that he's not an elite pass rusher.
What strategy? Threatening to do what he should have done the previous years?
Nothing new here he does this every off season... Why people on here looking for [BLEEP] to [BLEEP] about...jeez. He don't produce he is gone.
Doesn't help the culture they built upon last year but it is what it is. Hope he shows up ready to go and has his best statistical season since his rookie year. Won't waste much time reading further into his decision.