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I know Clowney is a name and Chaisson being underwhelming is an understatement, but if it's one or the other I think I'd still lean Chaisson. He's 24. It's still possible he matures into something this year. I know what Clowney is and over paid comes to mind. Chaisson is playing for about $2.5 million this year as well as for another contract from whoever. I think Clowney will get more than that considering he played last year for the Browns at a little under $10 million for the year. I don't think he commands that much now given the market for his services, but it will probably be double the $2.5 million at least. Again, if it's between the two, I think I'd just roll the dice on Chaisson or keep looking at potential trade opportunities for a pass rusher.

It would be very nice to see Chaisson develop the way Smoot developed. Smoot didn’t have any sacks his first year either, and I think he was a bit older coming out of college than Chaisson.

But still…. It’s time for Chaisson to contribute and get 3-5 sacks this year so he can stay in the league.

If we sign Clowney, we will have three 1st overall picks which would be an NFL record.

Chaisson is literally just out there. I watched him against Dallas and he doesn’t get into his ‘rush’ until about a half second after everybody moves. He knows his last days are coming soon.

Interesting take is we don't have pressure the QB issue. We have a get the QB on the ground issue.

2022 advanced Defensive stats Jags were:

#2 in the league in QB Pressures
#26 in the league in QB Sacks
#6 in the league in QB Hurries

(08-14-2023, 07:20 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]It would be very nice to see Chaisson develop the way Smoot developed. Smoot didn’t have any sacks his first year either, and I think he was a bit older coming out of college than Chaisson. 

But still…. It’s time for Chaisson to contribute and get 3-5 sacks this year so he can stay in the league.

Chaisson has talent that goes way beyond the playing field.  I never saw Smoot do anything close to this ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvkb-VtNrE0

SMH. Lol

Chaisson is starting to remind me of Derrick Harvey.

(08-15-2023, 12:49 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting take is we don't have pressure the QB issue. We have a get the QB on the ground issue.

2022 advanced Defensive stats Jags were:

#2 in the league in QB Pressures
#26 in the league in QB Sacks
#6 in the league in QB Hurries

So essentially we have 4 Dante Fowlers on our D line, am I the only one who remembers how he used to get to the backfield and whiff the sack almost every time he was back there?

(08-16-2023, 09:51 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-15-2023, 12:49 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting take is we don't have pressure the QB issue. We have a get the QB on the ground issue.

2022 advanced Defensive stats Jags were:

#2 in the league in QB Pressures
#26 in the league in QB Sacks
#6 in the league in QB Hurries

So essentially we have 4 Dante Fowlers on our D line, am I the only one who remembers how he used to get to the backfield and whiff the sack almost every time he was back there?

mebbe?

I have tucked those memories in a deep dark corner of the subconscious. It's better that way.

(08-16-2023, 09:51 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-15-2023, 12:49 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting take is we don't have pressure the QB issue. We have a get the QB on the ground issue.

2022 advanced Defensive stats Jags were:

#2 in the league in QB Pressures
#26 in the league in QB Sacks
#6 in the league in QB Hurries

So essentially we have 4 Dante Fowlers on our D line, am I the only one who remembers how he used to get to the backfield and whiff the sack almost every time he was back there?

No 

We have a "cover the middle of the field" problem. 

Opposing offenses know that they can get the ball off quickly against our zone linebackers and nickelback with impunity. 

It's not like Josh Allen was getting to the QB late on all of his pressures last year, it's that the QB had a wide open target quickly available on many of those pass rushes.

Solve that problem and a solid portion of those pressures turn into sacks. 

2nd year in the system for these ILBs and some competition at nickel should help. 

Additionally - Lageman and Shadrick recently spoke out of school a bit by revealing a trend they've seen during the no photos/no video portions of practice.  The talk of a more aggressive blitz package is real. They made it sound as if they expect Caldwell to release the hounds this year.

(08-17-2023, 08:28 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-16-2023, 09:51 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]So essentially we have 4 Dante Fowlers on our D line, am I the only one who remembers how he used to get to the backfield and whiff the sack almost every time he was back there?

No 

We have a "cover the middle of the field" problem. 

Opposing offenses know that they can get the ball off quickly against our zone linebackers and nickelback with impunity. 

It's not like Josh Allen was getting to the QB late on all of his pressures last year, it's that the QB had a wide open target quickly available on many of those pass rushes.

Solve that problem and a solid portion of those pressures turn into sacks. 

2nd year in the system for these ILBs and some competition at nickel should help. 

Additionally - Lageman and Shadrick recently spoke out of school a bit by revealing a trend they've seen during the no photos/no video portions of practice.  The talk of a more aggressive blitz package is real. They made it sound as if they expect Caldwell to release the hounds this year.

Good. I mean honestly, if they're getting wide open across the middle with a guy or two in coverage, then screw it, send them on a blitz and maybe force a mistake. The WR/TE is going to be open either way lol

(08-17-2023, 08:28 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-16-2023, 09:51 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]So essentially we have 4 Dante Fowlers on our D line, am I the only one who remembers how he used to get to the backfield and whiff the sack almost every time he was back there?

No 

We have a "cover the middle of the field" problem. 

Opposing offenses know that they can get the ball off quickly against our zone linebackers and nickelback with impunity. 

It's not like Josh Allen was getting to the QB late on all of his pressures last year, it's that the QB had a wide open target quickly available on many of those pass rushes.

Solve that problem and a solid portion of those pressures turn into sacks. 

2nd year in the system for these ILBs and some competition at nickel should help. 

Additionally - Lageman and Shadrick recently spoke out of school a bit by revealing a trend they've seen during the no photos/no video portions of practice.  The talk of a more aggressive blitz package is real. They made it sound as if they expect Caldwell to release the hounds this year.

Game #2 will be the big reveal. That’s when we will need it the most.

(08-17-2023, 08:28 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-16-2023, 09:51 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]So essentially we have 4 Dante Fowlers on our D line, am I the only one who remembers how he used to get to the backfield and whiff the sack almost every time he was back there?

No 

We have a "cover the middle of the field" problem. 

Opposing offenses know that they can get the ball off quickly against our zone linebackers and nickelback with impunity. 

It's not like Josh Allen was getting to the QB late on all of his pressures last year, it's that the QB had a wide open target quickly available on many of those pass rushes.

Solve that problem and a solid portion of those pressures turn into sacks. 

2nd year in the system for these ILBs and some competition at nickel should help. 

Additionally - Lageman and Shadrick recently spoke out of school a bit by revealing a trend they've seen during the no photos/no video portions of practice.  The talk of a more aggressive blitz package is real. They made it sound as if they expect Caldwell to release the hounds this year.

Yeah I know, Our Nickel corner is dog crap and our ILBs outside of Foye were rookies, to be expected. 

But on a side note, am I making this up in my head or did Dante Fowler not whiff on sacks almost every time he got in the backfield?

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(08-17-2023, 10:26 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-17-2023, 08:28 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]No 

We have a "cover the middle of the field" problem. 

Opposing offenses know that they can get the ball off quickly against our zone linebackers and nickelback with impunity. 

It's not like Josh Allen was getting to the QB late on all of his pressures last year, it's that the QB had a wide open target quickly available on many of those pass rushes.

Solve that problem and a solid portion of those pressures turn into sacks. 

2nd year in the system for these ILBs and some competition at nickel should help. 

Additionally - Lageman and Shadrick recently spoke out of school a bit by revealing a trend they've seen during the no photos/no video portions of practice.  The talk of a more aggressive blitz package is real. They made it sound as if they expect Caldwell to release the hounds this year.

Game #2 will be the big reveal. That’s when we will need it the most.

Game #1 will let us know if our defense is terrible or not, if we let Richardson have a good debut I'd be extremely worried this year. The guy is a terrible passer, i've never been more sure a QB was gonna be a bust since Tim Tebow got drafted.

(08-17-2023, 05:07 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-17-2023, 08:28 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]No 

We have a "cover the middle of the field" problem. 

Opposing offenses know that they can get the ball off quickly against our zone linebackers and nickelback with impunity. 

It's not like Josh Allen was getting to the QB late on all of his pressures last year, it's that the QB had a wide open target quickly available on many of those pass rushes.

Solve that problem and a solid portion of those pressures turn into sacks. 

2nd year in the system for these ILBs and some competition at nickel should help. 

Additionally - Lageman and Shadrick recently spoke out of school a bit by revealing a trend they've seen during the no photos/no video portions of practice.  The talk of a more aggressive blitz package is real. They made it sound as if they expect Caldwell to release the hounds this year.

Yeah I know, Our Nickel corner is dog crap and our ILBs outside of Foye were rookies, to be expected. 

But on a side note, am I making this up in my head or did Dante Fowler not whiff on sacks almost every time he got in the backfield?

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He most definitely did that a few times. I wouldn't say almost every time, but enough to be annoying.

(08-17-2023, 05:07 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-17-2023, 08:28 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]No 

We have a "cover the middle of the field" problem. 

Opposing offenses know that they can get the ball off quickly against our zone linebackers and nickelback with impunity. 

It's not like Josh Allen was getting to the QB late on all of his pressures last year, it's that the QB had a wide open target quickly available on many of those pass rushes.

Solve that problem and a solid portion of those pressures turn into sacks. 

2nd year in the system for these ILBs and some competition at nickel should help. 

Additionally - Lageman and Shadrick recently spoke out of school a bit by revealing a trend they've seen during the no photos/no video portions of practice.  The talk of a more aggressive blitz package is real. They made it sound as if they expect Caldwell to release the hounds this year.

Yeah I know, Our Nickel corner is dog crap and our ILBs outside of Foye were rookies, to be expected. 

But on a side note, am I making this up in my head or did Dante Fowler not whiff on sacks almost every time he got in the backfield?

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(08-17-2023, 10:26 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Game #2 will be the big reveal. That’s when we will need it the most.

Game #1 will let us know if our defense is terrible or not, if we let Richardson have a good debut I'd be extremely worried this year. The guy is a terrible passer, i've never been more sure a QB was gonna be a bust since Tim Tebow got drafted.

Yes. The entire season for this defense depends on week 1. As all good analysts have said….

(08-17-2023, 07:59 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-17-2023, 05:07 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah I know, Our Nickel corner is dog crap and our ILBs outside of Foye were rookies, to be expected. 

But on a side note, am I making this up in my head or did Dante Fowler not whiff on sacks almost every time he got in the backfield?

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Game #1 will let us know if our defense is terrible or not, if we let Richardson have a good debut I'd be extremely worried this year. The guy is a terrible passer, i've never been more sure a QB was gonna be a bust since Tim Tebow got drafted.

Yes. The entire season for this defense depends on week 1. As all good analysts have said….

It would be worrying if they let a QB who threw for 24 tds 17 picks in 3 years of college who barely had a 53% cmp percentage dice them up, yeah.

Richardson is gonna be high strung and we just have to give him a welcome to the NFL moment. He'll make mistakes, it just depends on whether we make the play or not.

(08-17-2023, 11:46 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-17-2023, 07:59 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Yes. The entire season for this defense depends on week 1. As all good analysts have said….

It would be worrying if they let a QB who threw for 24 tds 17 picks in 3 years of college who barely had a 53% cmp percentage dice them up, yeah.

I'm not concerned with him picking us apart. I'm only concerned with the RPO stuff that we tend to struggle with. If Caldwell is really looking at throwing a ton more blitz packages out there I think we'll stop him pretty easily, especially if Taylor isn't playing. He looked panicked under pressure against Buffalo. Interested to see him a little more in preseason

(08-18-2023, 08:23 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-17-2023, 11:46 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]It would be worrying if they let a QB who threw for 24 tds 17 picks in 3 years of college who barely had a 53% cmp percentage dice them up, yeah.

I'm not concerned with him picking us apart. I'm only concerned with the RPO stuff that we tend to struggle with. If Caldwell is really looking at throwing a ton more blitz packages out there I think we'll stop him pretty easily, especially if Taylor isn't playing. He looked panicked under pressure against Buffalo. Interested to see him a little more in preseason

Consistent pressure is almost always the way to force rookie QBs into mistakes

Likely no different for one as woefully inexperienced as this guy