(10-01-2023, 06:02 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ] (10-01-2023, 05:45 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]You give Allen a respectable offer. It would be nice to keep him, but he hasn't shown enough that he's a consistent game changer. Hell, we let Yannick walk, and he had way more influence on games than Allen ever had.
Besides that Bills game a couple years ago, Allen is just a mid level dude. He's worth keeping at a mid level 2nd contract. The player on defense you give the bag to is that #23 guy. Oluokan. That guy is the freakin' real deal. Why over spend on Allen who, while having flashes of greatness, will go invisible of weeks at a time?
Try to resign him. Yes. He absolutely deserves a second contract. But I wouldn't pay him more than 8 or 9 million a year. He's making 5 mill now. So that would be a pay raise. But if he wants to go get more money, let him. He's not worth more than that. Giving him 10-13 million a year or more would kill our ability to re-sign players that really do make a difference... Like Oluokan.
Edit: I made sure to spell Oluokan correctly, unlike Treyvaughn Walker. One player deserves respect on their name. The other... Still needs to prove some things.
You really don't understand how the NFL works, do you? Allen is getting over 10 minimum from someone.
Naw, I know how the NFL works. I'm just saying he's not worth 10 Million. He's worth 8, maybe 9. And if he won't accept that, I don't mind losing him. He's not special. AT ALL
(10-01-2023, 07:01 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (10-01-2023, 06:54 PM)surfon Wrote: [ -> ]Yea stiill 20 mil a year. This years de tag 19.7 mil
Would you rather pay Allen $20M on the year or Robinson at LT $20M on the year?
Because that's what Robinson is getting this year. He'll be gone in the off season. Should help with cap space. Would add Jenkins at safety as well.
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I am not saying dont tag him. Not so sure Cam is gone depending on his play. The oline has not been good. Ask the same question in 4 weeks.
(10-01-2023, 08:34 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (10-01-2023, 06:02 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]You really don't understand how the NFL works, do you? Allen is getting over 10 minimum from someone.
Naw, I know how the NFL works. I'm just saying he's not worth 10 Million. He's worth 8, maybe 9. And if he won't accept that, I don't mind losing him. He's not special. AT ALL
Lol. Week after week, bad take after bad take. You never fail to get worse with your opinions.
It ain’t about what a player is worth, it’s about what a team is willing to pay. Them boys better get the goody while they can and tag him next year. And we’ll worry about 2025 when it comes.
(10-01-2023, 08:34 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (10-01-2023, 06:02 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]You really don't understand how the NFL works, do you? Allen is getting over 10 minimum from someone.
Naw, I know how the NFL works. I'm just saying he's not worth 10 Million. He's worth 8, maybe 9. And if he won't accept that, I don't mind losing him. He's not special. AT ALL
lol
(10-01-2023, 08:40 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-01-2023, 08:34 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Naw, I know how the NFL works. I'm just saying he's not worth 10 Million. He's worth 8, maybe 9. And if he won't accept that, I don't mind losing him. He's not special. AT ALL
Lol. Week after week, bad take after bad take. You never fail to get worse with your opinions.
What? What would you pay Allen?
It's easy throw a roast. But tell me what you'd pay Allen based on his performance?
Honestly, what is Josh Allen doing when it really matters that you think he needs to be over-paid??
“He ain’t special at all.” BRO WHAT????
Only 2 players in Jaguars history have multiple 3- sack games. Jaguars legend Calais Campbell and Josh Allen. Only 2 players…offense, defense, special teams. Only 2 players have multiple
Allen now has the most sacks in franchise history through the first 4 games of any season in TEAM HISTORY, dating back to 1995.
He’s the only player to ever record 3 sacks and have 10 or more tackles in a SINGLE GAME. He’s the ONLY player in team history that has accomplished that.
Chop it up however you want but that is special. What you’re explaining is those offensive lineman get paid millions too. Everybody in the league is the most elite of elite in the universe.
I wish I knew the actual number of players that have suited up in a Jaguars uniform, practice squad, training camp, playoffs, regular season…Only 2 guys have ever had 3 sacks in 2 or more games.
2
I don’t care how they got those sacks. They gottem. Bottom line.
Only 6 players in Jaguars history have recorded 3 sacks in a single game.
(10-01-2023, 09:38 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]“He ain’t special at all.” BRO WHAT????
Only 2 players in Jaguars history have multiple 3- sack games. Jaguars legend Calais Campbell and Josh Allen. Only 2 players…offense, defense, special teams. Only 2 players have multiple
Allen now has the most sacks in franchise history through the first 4 games of any season in TEAM HISTORY, dating back to 1995.
He’s the only player to ever record 3 sacks and have 10 or more tackles in a SINGLE GAME. He’s the ONLY player in team history that has accomplished that.
Chop it up however you want but that is special. What you’re explaining is those offensive lineman get paid millions too. Everybody in the league is the most elite of elite in the universe.
I wish I knew the actual number of players that have suited up in a Jaguars uniform, practice squad, training camp, playoffs, regular season…Only 2 guys have ever had 3 sacks in 2 or more games.
2
I don’t care how they got those sacks. They gottem. Bottom line.
Only 6 players in Jaguars history have recorded 3 sacks in a single game.
yannick was better
(10-01-2023, 09:31 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (10-01-2023, 08:40 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Lol. Week after week, bad take after bad take. You never fail to get worse with your opinions.
What? What would you pay Allen?
It's easy throw a roast. But tell me what you'd pay Allen based on his performance?
Honestly, what is Josh Allen doing when it really matters that you think he needs to be over-paid??
Right now? If he keeps playing the way he's playing I think you offer him enough to make him a top five paid outside linebacker.
$15.8M would clear Joey Bosa. This would just put him behind Randy Gregory. Which is disrespectful really.
Watt, Judon, Hunter and Mack are really playing up to their top four slots but Bosa and Gregory are underwhelming, whether it's due to injuries or decline in general.
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(10-01-2023, 09:41 PM)paksat Wrote: [ -> ] (10-01-2023, 09:38 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]“He ain’t special at all.” BRO WHAT????
Only 2 players in Jaguars history have multiple 3- sack games. Jaguars legend Calais Campbell and Josh Allen. Only 2 players…offense, defense, special teams. Only 2 players have multiple
Allen now has the most sacks in franchise history through the first 4 games of any season in TEAM HISTORY, dating back to 1995.
He’s the only player to ever record 3 sacks and have 10 or more tackles in a SINGLE GAME. He’s the ONLY player in team history that has accomplished that.
Chop it up however you want but that is special. What you’re explaining is those offensive lineman get paid millions too. Everybody in the league is the most elite of elite in the universe.
I wish I knew the actual number of players that have suited up in a Jaguars uniform, practice squad, training camp, playoffs, regular season…Only 2 guys have ever had 3 sacks in 2 or more games.
2
I don’t care how they got those sacks. They gottem. Bottom line.
Only 6 players in Jaguars history have recorded 3 sacks in a single game.
yannick was better
As a pure DE, only required to rush the passer. Correct. As an overall player? No. Nowhere nearly as good as Allen.
Keep in mind. I wanted Allen traded last year before the deadline. Prior to the season turning around.
Allen helped seal our deal in beating the tacks in week 17 to clinch the division. I would rather have him now than not have him.
Especially given the fact that Baalke has failed miserably in drafting anybody comparable to him or outright better.
At the minimum. You tag him in 2024. Would be foolish not to.
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Hes our best player on defense and at a premium position. Why do people want to let him walk?
(10-01-2023, 09:45 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (10-01-2023, 09:31 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]What? What would you pay Allen?
It's easy throw a roast. But tell me what you'd pay Allen based on his performance?
Honestly, what is Josh Allen doing when it really matters that you think he needs to be over-paid??
Right now? If he keeps playing the way he's playing I think you offer him enough to make him a top five paid outside linebacker.
$15.8M would clear Joey Bosa. This would just put him behind Randy Gregory. Which is disrespectful really.
Watt, Judon, Hunter and Mack are really playing up to their top four slots but Bosa and Gregory are underwhelming, whether it's due to injuries or decline in general.
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(10-01-2023, 09:41 PM)paksat Wrote: [ -> ]yannick was better
As a pure DE, only required to rush the passer. Correct. As an overall player? No. Nowhere nearly as good as Allen.
Keep in mind. I wanted Allen traded last year before the deadline. Prior to the season turning around.
Allen helped seal our deal in beating the tacks in week 17 to clinch the division. I would rather have him now than not have him.
Especially given the fact that Baalke has failed miserably in drafting anybody comparable to him or outright better.
At the minimum. You tag him in 2024. Would be foolish not to.
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I agree with every sentence. 100 tag hun at minimum. It would be crazy if Allen don’t finish the year with 12-15 sacks after getting 6 in the first 4 games. If he can get 15 he will ho All-Pro and earn his 2nd Pro Bowl selection. This is a great problem to have.
Some cool stats about Joshua Allen’s monster day.
Only 2 players in franchise history have recorded multiple 3 sack games: Calias Campbell did it twice. 3 sacks vs Titans and 4 sacks @ Texans. Josh Allen became just the 2nd player in team history to achieve this, with 3 sacks @ Colts and 3 vs Falcons in London.
How many Jaguars have ever recorded 3 or more sacks in a single game in Jaguars history? 6…
Allen vs Falcons
Allen vs Colts
Campbell vs Titans
Campbell vs Texans
Spicer vs Jets
Henderson vs Eagles
Pritchett vs Bengals
Allen is now is 2nd place in sack yardage with 230 yards. Ngakoue is 1st with 248.5
Allen is the ONLY Jaguars player to ever record 3 sacks in a single game and have 10 tackles.
Only 3 Jaguars players have ever recorded 3 sacks in a single game and force a fumble. Allen, Clemons, Spicer
What Jaguars players have the most sacks through their first 4 games of a season in Jaguars history?
2023 Allen - 6
2017 Campbell - 5.5
1999 Brackens - 4 sacks
2001 Brackens - 3 sacks
Allen needs half a sack to be in the top 3 all time in Jaguars history. Allen moved past the legend Campbell after todays monster game.
1. Brackens - 55
2 Ngakoue - 37.5
3. Smeenge - 34
4. Allen - 33.5
5. Campbell 31.5
Allen becomes 1 of 4 Jaguars players to record over 30 sacks and score a TD. (Allen, Campbell, Ngakoue, Brackens)
- Stat Man
Credit: Stat Man (me)
(10-01-2023, 09:45 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (10-01-2023, 09:31 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]What? What would you pay Allen?
It's easy throw a roast. But tell me what you'd pay Allen based on his performance?
Honestly, what is Josh Allen doing when it really matters that you think he needs to be over-paid??
Right now? If he keeps playing the way he's playing I think you offer him enough to make him a top five paid outside linebacker.
$15.8M would clear Joey Bosa. This would just put him behind Randy Gregory. Which is disrespectful really.
Watt, Judon, Hunter and Mack are really playing up to their top four slots but Bosa and Gregory are underwhelming, whether it's due to injuries or decline in general.
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(10-01-2023, 09:41 PM)paksat Wrote: [ -> ]yannick was better
As a pure DE, only required to rush the passer. Correct. As an overall player? No. Nowhere nearly as good as Allen.
Keep in mind. I wanted Allen traded last year before the deadline. Prior to the season turning around.
Allen helped seal our deal in beating the tacks in week 17 to clinch the division. I would rather have him now than not have him.
Especially given the fact that Baalke has failed miserably in drafting anybody comparable to him or outright better.
At the minimum. You tag him in 2024. Would be foolish not to.
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Yawn was a better pass rusher no question about it. And yes, overall Allen is better.
Allen is nothing special and he will want over $20 million per year, screw that, he can walk (just like Taylor, someone is gonna be dumb enough to pay him that). Funny how he is having his best season the year his contract ends (again, just like Taylor). And let's not forget the Falcons O-line is a joke this season.
(10-02-2023, 06:42 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-01-2023, 09:45 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Right now? If he keeps playing the way he's playing I think you offer him enough to make him a top five paid outside linebacker.
$15.8M would clear Joey Bosa. This would just put him behind Randy Gregory. Which is disrespectful really.
Watt, Judon, Hunter and Mack are really playing up to their top four slots but Bosa and Gregory are underwhelming, whether it's due to injuries or decline in general.
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As a pure DE, only required to rush the passer. Correct. As an overall player? No. Nowhere nearly as good as Allen.
Keep in mind. I wanted Allen traded last year before the deadline. Prior to the season turning around.
Allen helped seal our deal in beating the tacks in week 17 to clinch the division. I would rather have him now than not have him.
Especially given the fact that Baalke has failed miserably in drafting anybody comparable to him or outright better.
At the minimum. You tag him in 2024. Would be foolish not to.
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I agree with every sentence. 100 tag hun at minimum. It would be crazy if Allen don’t finish the year with 12-15 sacks after getting 6 in the first 4 games. If he can get 15 he will ho All-Pro and earn his 2nd Pro Bowl selection. This is a great problem to have.
Dude is gonna get a BAG if he continues to ball out. I welcome it, we need a premiere pass rusher! If this team could ever hit on another decent/good end rusher Allen would be dominant.
(10-02-2023, 10:37 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ] (10-01-2023, 09:45 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Right now? If he keeps playing the way he's playing I think you offer him enough to make him a top five paid outside linebacker.
$15.8M would clear Joey Bosa. This would just put him behind Randy Gregory. Which is disrespectful really.
Watt, Judon, Hunter and Mack are really playing up to their top four slots but Bosa and Gregory are underwhelming, whether it's due to injuries or decline in general.
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As a pure DE, only required to rush the passer. Correct. As an overall player? No. Nowhere nearly as good as Allen.
Keep in mind. I wanted Allen traded last year before the deadline. Prior to the season turning around.
Allen helped seal our deal in beating the tacks in week 17 to clinch the division. I would rather have him now than not have him.
Especially given the fact that Baalke has failed miserably in drafting anybody comparable to him or outright better.
At the minimum. You tag him in 2024. Would be foolish not to.
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Yawn was a better pass rusher no question about it. And yes, overall Allen is better.
Allen is nothing special and he will want over $20 million per year, screw that, he can walk (just like Taylor, someone is gonna be dumb enough to pay him that). Funny how he is having his best season the year his contract ends (again, just like Taylor). And let's not forget the Falcons O-line is a joke this season.
Ok. So, goes back to my final point. Who are you replacing him with and where is the production coming from?
At this time. We do not have anybody as good as him on the roster, and, are we going to try and backfill his role yet again with a top pick in next year's draft in April?
When we clearly have issues on the offensive line?
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(10-02-2023, 10:49 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (10-02-2023, 10:37 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]Yawn was a better pass rusher no question about it. And yes, overall Allen is better.
Allen is nothing special and he will want over $20 million per year, screw that, he can walk (just like Taylor, someone is gonna be dumb enough to pay him that). Funny how he is having his best season the year his contract ends (again, just like Taylor). And let's not forget the Falcons O-line is a joke this season.
Ok. So, goes back to my final point. Who are you replacing him with and where is the production coming from?
At this time. We do not have anybody as good as him on the roster, and, are we going to try and backfill his role yet again with a top pick in next year's draft in April?
When we clearly have issues on the offensive line?
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Is he really that important? does he really make a difference in important games? No, not really. I rather spend that money on the O-line.
If we had a competent GM he could find a replacement in the draft.
Like someone said (maybe it was you), go after/trade for D. Hunter.
(10-02-2023, 11:01 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ] (10-02-2023, 10:49 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Ok. So, goes back to my final point. Who are you replacing him with and where is the production coming from?
At this time. We do not have anybody as good as him on the roster, and, are we going to try and backfill his role yet again with a top pick in next year's draft in April?
When we clearly have issues on the offensive line?
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Is he really that important? does he really make a difference in important games? No, not really. I rather spend that money on the O-line.
If we had a competent GM he could find a replacement in the draft.
Like someone said (maybe it was you), go after/trade for D. Hunter.
He made a huge difference in the only 2 wins this year. Without those 6 sacks we don't win potentially. You're really playing with fire.
Having to backfill two, three positions on the offensive line next year. Waiting out the Ridley situation. Losing Jenkins maybe at safety.
A ton of extensions to consider with Little, Cisco and Campbell. I just think you have to be mindful of how dangerously close this roster is to completely imploding already.
You're going to want at least one guaranteed rusher that shows up on the stat sheet. A veteran presence. Unless Walker starts teeing off over the next 13 games, Abdullah starts making splashes and Smoot comes back ready to go you have to consider tagging and extending Allen.
Worst case? You trade him with the tag.
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Little has like 8 starts
Cisco is highly overrated on this board but the guy is nothing special
Campbell is the only one really worthy of a nice contract
I disagree with your view of Allen. Also, better O-line and we win those same game much easier and maybe even win the Texans game, where they had almost an entire backup O-line playing and Allen did nothing.
(10-02-2023, 11:17 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]Little has like 8 starts
Cisco is highly overrated on this board but the guy is nothing special
Campbell is the only one really worthy of a nice contract
I disagree with your view of Allen. Also, better O-line and we win those same game much easier and maybe even win the Texans game where they had almost an entire backup O-line playing and Allen did nothing.
Little is currently our best lineman. Should be an inexpensive starter at LT to save cap space.
Cisco has made multiple turnovers this year, has an enforcing presence as well in the secondary.
It's a risk either way. My concern, again, where are you going to get the production from? With limited draft capital in April of next year?
We're on the hook for a 2nd or 3rd with Atlanta due to the Ridley trade. Baalke really [BLEEP] up with those 13 picks.
Looks like we should have went Torrence at LG and traded up for Joe Tippmann at C.
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