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Fix the center as fortner other than being available has been the worst part of the line. How many times has he been either blocking air or another guard cause he's turning the wrong way.

I think it all comes down to how many linemen they plan to replace in the offseason. Hard to replace 4 guys in one offseason on your line.

If they are looking to have new faces competing to start at all 3 interior positions, then maybe they keep him.
If they are planning to squeeze one more season out of Scherff and just upgrade LG and Center, then maybe they can let him walk.

The other giant X factor here is Walker Little.

It's impossible to speculate with any accuracy what this team will do with Cam when we have no clue how they really feel about Walker Little. He's looked good, he's looked bad, he's looked somewhere in between.

What do the coaches/FO expect from him if he were the starting LT after a full offseason working there next to a new LG?
I really have no idea.

Another unknown here is scheme.
Are Pederson/Taylor/Rauscher all together again in 2024? - and do they double down on the ZBS? Or do they mix in more power gap stuff than we've seen this year? If it is the latter, it aids the case to keep Cam around.

Since Cam was drafted he has quietly done his best for the team. He has never been a media hound or answered questions in an inflammatory way causing distractions. When pestered about the competition brought in to replace him he has always smiled and let his play do the talking. He has been a team player. It would be foolish of the Jags to release their best lineman from his last year when we have so much work to do on the o-line. I could be dead wrong, but can't see him wanting to test the market and begin again with another team at age 30.

I see an extension being worked out for say an something like an additional 3 years as he transitions from starting to a backup role. Who is going to replace him? Well for it to be Little the guy has to first learn to run block.

(01-01-2024, 12:26 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Since Cam was drafted he has quietly done his best for the team. He has never been a media hound or answered questions in an inflammatory way causing distractions. When pestered about the competition brought in to replace him he has always smiled and let his play do the talking. He has been a team player.  It would be foolish of the Jags to release their best lineman from his last year when we have so much work to do on the o-line.  I could be dead wrong, but can't see him wanting to test the market and begin again with another team at age 30.

I see an extension being worked out for say an something like an additional 3 years as he transitions from starting to a backup role.  Who is going to replace him? Well for it to be Little the guy has to first learn to run block.

From reading that post, I'm not sure you are aware, he is under contract for next year.

(01-01-2024, 12:30 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-01-2024, 12:26 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Since Cam was drafted he has quietly done his best for the team. He has never been a media hound or answered questions in an inflammatory way causing distractions. When pestered about the competition brought in to replace him he has always smiled and let his play do the talking. He has been a team player.  It would be foolish of the Jags to release their best lineman from his last year when we have so much work to do on the o-line.  I could be dead wrong, but can't see him wanting to test the market and begin again with another team at age 30.

I see an extension being worked out for say an something like an additional 3 years as he transitions from starting to a backup role.  Who is going to replace him? Well for it to be Little the guy has to first learn to run block.

From reading that post, I'm not sure you are aware, he is under contract for next year.

My bad, there..bold where it showed I knew.  Also since he is 29 now, he will be 30 after the season next year.  To be clearer, I am expecting to extend him giving them the ability to reduce his cap number next year.

(01-01-2024, 09:18 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-01-2024, 09:05 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]I was right there with you prior to seeing the difference he makes when hes out there this season... I think we are giving him too little credit for what he can do.

He's the best player on a bad line by a slim margin. It's not his play that bothers me, it's his cost and risk. There's better players out there who are less risky IMO; I think Baalke can find them if he focuses on it.

Lolol another horrible comment by a horrible poster.

Cam is one of the best LT in the league and it shows everytime he plays how he makes everyone better. But keep dying on that hill that he is "average". Hahaahahahahah.

Oh wait your also the one that said Little was better. Another idiotic comment.

Depends on three things for me with him:

1. Is he willing to restructure and be a team player?
2. Are they able to find a cheaper upgrade in free agency in March?
3. Are they able to actually draft a talented OT that enables them to move on cleanly from him?

I am all for keeping players we have drafted and developed, within reason. It's a lot easier to maintain chemistry this way and he already knows the system, etc. Doubtful you'll find a cheaper upgrade in free agency. Finding one in the draft is probable, but, it's one of those situations where, does he play LT or RT?

I like Harrison's development so far as a rookie at RT. I don't want to see this team get into a situation where they're asking him to move over to LT already in year two. While trying to reestablish that right side again with an over the hill Scherff. Walker Little let us down. That's really what this boils down to.

(01-01-2024, 12:45 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Depends on three things for me with him:

1. Is he willing to restructure and be a team player?
2. Are they able to find a cheaper upgrade in free agency in March?
3. Are they able to actually draft a talented OT that enables them to move on cleanly from him?

I am all for keeping players we have drafted and developed, within reason. It's a lot easier to maintain chemistry this way and he already knows the system, etc. Doubtful you'll find a cheaper upgrade in free agency. Finding one in the draft is probable, but, it's one of those situations where, does he play LT or RT?

I like Harrison's development so far as a rookie at RT. I don't want to see this team get into a situation where they're asking him to move over to LT already in year two. While trying to reestablish that right side again with an over the hill Scherff. Walker Little let us down. That's really what this boils down to.

I agree with #1, problem is we don't really know. My gut says he will as there will be upfront money involved, but if he doesn't that may force their hand. That would most likely trigger a survey of teams that may be interested in him for that last year, available free agents and can Ezra move to LT. 

Number 2 is a crap shoot. An upgrade will cost as much as we would be paying Cam but allow the cap hit to be spread.  I place this in the "Sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don't" arena.

I would hate to have to execute #3 as we need this to get a quality Guard/center like we did with Harrison at RT.  This also may depend on their expectations of Tugboat next year too.

Resign? We can't really quit him.

Re-sign? We see where we're at when the time comes.

Details matter.

(01-01-2024, 12:38 PM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-01-2024, 09:18 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]He's the best player on a bad line by a slim margin. It's not his play that bothers me, it's his cost and risk. There's better players out there who are less risky IMO; I think Baalke can find them if he focuses on it.

Lolol another horrible comment by a horrible poster.

Cam is one of the best LT in the league and it shows everytime he plays how he makes everyone better. But keep dying on that hill that he is "average". Hahaahahahahah.

Oh wait your also the one that said Little was better. Another idiotic comment.

Sure, when he's on the Juice he's pretty good as evidenced by 2022. But every other year he's mid, but a better LT than you are a poster.

If he’s willing to restructure keep him, players respond to him, it’s an energy thing, he’s our only dawg on the o-line.

Agreed i should have worded it as restructure or extend.

I also agree that Little is a question mark. He just did not really impress me as an upgrade to Cam and will cost the same as him in a year anyway right?

(01-01-2024, 05:39 PM)surfon Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed i should have worded it as restructure or extend.

I also agree that Little is a question mark.  He just did not really impress me as an upgrade to Cam and will cost the same as him in a year anyway right?

Little will and will have to improve.

Cam stays, possibly a restructure. He's our best lineman right now, the only dawg, and a vocal leader. Our tackles will be good next year, just need to upgrade the interior

(01-01-2024, 12:21 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I think it all comes down to how many linemen they plan to replace in the offseason. Hard to replace 4 guys in one offseason on your line.

If they are looking to have new faces competing to start at all 3 interior positions, then maybe they keep him.
If they are planning to squeeze one more season out of Scherff and just upgrade LG and Center, then maybe they can let him walk.

The other giant X factor here is Walker Little.

It's impossible to speculate with any accuracy what this team will do with Cam when we have no clue how they really feel about Walker Little. He's looked good, he's looked bad, he's looked somewhere in between.

What do the coaches/FO expect from him if he were the starting LT after a full offseason working there next to a new LG?
I really have no idea.

Another unknown here is scheme.
Are Pederson/Taylor/Rauscher all together again in 2024? - and do they double down on the ZBS? Or do they mix in more power gap stuff than we've seen this year? If it is the latter, it aids the case to keep Cam around.

It's kinda funny that a few months ago Cam was overpaid, an easy cut for cap savings and should be replaced by Little.

How quick your fortunes can change in the league.

Why would Cam restructure? Some of y’all are laughable

(01-01-2024, 06:34 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-01-2024, 12:21 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I think it all comes down to how many linemen they plan to replace in the offseason. Hard to replace 4 guys in one offseason on your line.

If they are looking to have new faces competing to start at all 3 interior positions, then maybe they keep him.
If they are planning to squeeze one more season out of Scherff and just upgrade LG and Center, then maybe they can let him walk.

The other giant X factor here is Walker Little.

It's impossible to speculate with any accuracy what this team will do with Cam when we have no clue how they really feel about Walker Little. He's looked good, he's looked bad, he's looked somewhere in between.

What do the coaches/FO expect from him if he were the starting LT after a full offseason working there next to a new LG?
I really have no idea.

Another unknown here is scheme.
Are Pederson/Taylor/Rauscher all together again in 2024? - and do they double down on the ZBS? Or do they mix in more power gap stuff than we've seen this year? If it is the latter, it aids the case to keep Cam around.

It's kinda funny that a few months ago Cam was overpaid, an easy cut for cap savings and should be replaced by Little.

How quick your fortunes can change in the league.

Yes, the "cut Cam, save a little money and put Little at LT" plan feels a lot riskier now than it did in September. 

Too many question marks swirling around Little for me to feel the same confidence in him I had months ago. 
I hope it really is just a matter of not settling into a spot, but even if that is the case, his durability may continue to be an issue as well based on all we have to go on thus far.

(01-01-2024, 06:34 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-01-2024, 12:21 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I think it all comes down to how many linemen they plan to replace in the offseason. Hard to replace 4 guys in one offseason on your line.

If they are looking to have new faces competing to start at all 3 interior positions, then maybe they keep him.
If they are planning to squeeze one more season out of Scherff and just upgrade LG and Center, then maybe they can let him walk.

The other giant X factor here is Walker Little.

It's impossible to speculate with any accuracy what this team will do with Cam when we have no clue how they really feel about Walker Little. He's looked good, he's looked bad, he's looked somewhere in between.

What do the coaches/FO expect from him if he were the starting LT after a full offseason working there next to a new LG?
I really have no idea.

Another unknown here is scheme.
Are Pederson/Taylor/Rauscher all together again in 2024? - and do they double down on the ZBS? Or do they mix in more power gap stuff than we've seen this year? If it is the latter, it aids the case to keep Cam around.

It's kinda funny that a few months ago Cam was overpaid, an easy cut for cap savings and should be replaced by Little.

How quick your fortunes can change in the league.

I was never on the Little train, it was usually the lawrence posterboys on these forums that hate Cam that thought he was "easily replacable"....

Cam is easily the best OL we have and it isnt even close.

Little is a backup swing tackle in the league.

(01-01-2024, 09:18 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-01-2024, 09:05 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]I was right there with you prior to seeing the difference he makes when hes out there this season... I think we are giving him too little credit for what he can do.

He's the best player on a bad line by a slim margin. It's not his play that bothers me, it's his cost and risk. There's better players out there who are less risky IMO; I think Baalke can find them if he focuses on it.

You have more confidence in him than I do.

(01-01-2024, 06:39 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: [ -> ]Why would Cam restructure? Some of y’all are laughable

To low the cap hit for this year so we will have more money tonspend.  It happens every year.  Cam is about the only player we didn't restructure this past year because of the suspension.