Any veteran guys we can bring in and get some mileage out of next season?
The Jaguars got squa-doosh from the DT position all of last season. I mean hardly any production at all.
Can you imagine what this front 4 would be if we could just get a 5 or 6 sack guy in the middle to go along with Allen/Walkers 27.5 sacks? (Should have been 28.5 sacks)*
It was great having Big Hen and Stroud during the Jaguars defensive haydays but a Gary Walker type of DT would send this defense to the moon.
The secondary could play more aggressive and break on the quick stuff.
Yeah a new Big Henderson and Stroud duo would be amazing. I wonder if they can find a way to get the contracts lowered on the guys who did not perform.
(01-25-2024, 04:56 AM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah a new Big Henderson and Stroud duo would be amazing. I wonder if they can find a way to get the contracts lowered on the guys who did not perform.
That would be nice. We need all the extra cash we can get this year. Somebody like a Fatukasi will probably be let go. RHH just didn’t do enough in 2023. What do they do with Ham, he’s not untouchable either.
(01-25-2024, 07:05 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-25-2024, 04:56 AM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah a new Big Henderson and Stroud duo would be amazing. I wonder if they can find a way to get the contracts lowered on the guys who did not perform.
That would be nice. We need all the extra cash we can get this year. Somebody like a Fatukasi will probably be let go. RHH just didn’t do enough in 2023. What do they do with Ham, he’s not untouchable either.
Hamilton had a severe chronic infection. He gets a healthy dose (good pun) of the benefit of the doubt.
(01-25-2024, 07:23 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (01-25-2024, 07:05 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]That would be nice. We need all the extra cash we can get this year. Somebody like a Fatukasi will probably be let go. RHH just didn’t do enough in 2023. What do they do with Ham, he’s not untouchable either.
Hamilton had a severe chronic infection. He gets a healthy dose (good pun) of the benefit of the doubt.
I agree but guys like Zay Jones and Agnew should get the same pass bc they dealt with injuries. Hamilton still ain’t untouchable as far as a restructure, even though he got his contract extension last offseason.
(01-26-2024, 08:16 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-25-2024, 07:23 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Hamilton had a severe chronic infection. He gets a healthy dose (good pun) of the benefit of the doubt.
I agree but guys like Zay Jones and Agnew should get the same pass bc they dealt with injuries. Hamilton still ain’t untouchable as far as a restructure, even though he got his contract extension last offseason.
The injuries to Agnew have become common, he's brittle. The injuries to Jones could be a one time thing if he heals up, but he's at the age where the body starts to break down. Hamilton did not have an injury, he had an illness; that's different than the other two.
(01-27-2024, 09:42 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]We already knew this, but they desperately need to get this duo some help.
https://twitter.com/DanDGriffis/status/1...0114765953
Well, according to Baalke, we have guys already. Coaching staff just needs to develop them.
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We need Hamilton to come back to form... that pre season ailment really screwed us in that area. RRH is okay, I feel like Blackson outplayed anyone in the middle mostly. Fatukasi was a decent FA signing, but hasn't been the run stuffer we needed.
(01-28-2024, 03:10 AM)JaguarJosh2 Wrote: [ -> ]We need Hamilton to come back to form... that pre season ailment really screwed us in that area. RRH is okay, I feel like Blackson outplayed anyone in the middle mostly. Fatukasi was a decent FA signing, but hasn't been the run stuffer we needed.
Sounds like a waste of resources and a blunder in the scouting department and coaching staff.
I personally fear, that, just like when you patch a leak but fail to reroute the water completely or replace the plumbing entirely?
We'll just see a new leak spring elsewhere in 2024. Just the way of things. They'll get the interior DL, but, something happens at DE or LB.
They'll blame it on a new coach learning a new group of players and players learning a new system, etc. That will be all we hear if they fall short again.
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If we drafted a DT in the 1st would yall rather Jer'Zhan Newton or T'Vondre Sweat? I think Newton has the potential to be one of the next up and coming 3 techs in a 4 man front or 5 tech in a 3 down lineman. I also think Sweat can be one of the next up and coming great NTs like a Dexter Lawrence. Which would you guys rather if we went DT in the 1st?
Fletcher Cox.
He'll be 34...just finished his 1 year with Eagles, was their best defensive lineman in their playoff game. 6 sacks from the interior line last season.
(01-28-2024, 11:43 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]If we drafted a DT in the 1st would yall rather Jer'Zhan Newton or T'Vondre Sweat? I think Newton has the potential to be one of the next up and coming 3 techs in a 4 man front or 5 tech in a 3 down lineman. I also think Sweat can be one of the next up and coming great NTs like a Dexter Lawrence. Which would you guys rather if we went DT in the 1st?
I don't take either one in the 1st, there's plenty of DTs in this draft and protecting Lawrence is more important IMO. I could see rush ends and CBs, maybe WRs as priotoriy over O line, but that's it.
(01-28-2024, 06:30 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (01-28-2024, 11:43 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]If we drafted a DT in the 1st would yall rather Jer'Zhan Newton or T'Vondre Sweat? I think Newton has the potential to be one of the next up and coming 3 techs in a 4 man front or 5 tech in a 3 down lineman. I also think Sweat can be one of the next up and coming great NTs like a Dexter Lawrence. Which would you guys rather if we went DT in the 1st?
I don't take either one in the 1st, there's plenty of DTs in this draft and protecting Lawrence is more important IMO. I could see rush ends and CBs, maybe WRs as priotoriy over O line, but that's it.
You can protect the QB with drafting a lineman in the first. DT and oline both are more important and a bigger need for this team than a rush end, CB, or WR
If they sign a Fletcher Cox, they would let somebody like a Zay Jones and Brandon Scherff go. Jones would create $4.1M cap space and Scherff would free up about $9M.
Maybe somebody like a Cooper Hodges can fill the role of Scherff and use the extra money on a Fletcher Cox for 1-2 years.
Jenkins most likely gets replaced by Johnson, and that would free up about $5M.
I don’t see how they let Robinson walk without a quality replacement to block Lawrence’s blindside.
(01-29-2024, 07:40 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]If they sign a Fletcher Cox, they would let somebody like a Zay Jones and Brandon Scherff go. Jones would create $4.1M cap space and Scherff would free up about $9M.
Maybe somebody like a Cooper Hodges can fill the role of Scherff and use the extra money on a Fletcher Cox for 1-2 years.
Jenkins most likely gets replaced by Johnson, and that would free up about $5M.
I don’t see how they let Robinson walk without a quality replacement to block Lawrence’s blindside.
Hmm I don’t know. Jags need reliable good players on the o-line. Hodges is an experiment still.
Scherff is gone anyway, he's a huge cap savings and a declining player.
(01-24-2024, 05:15 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Any veteran guys we can bring in and get some mileage out of next season?
The Jaguars got squa-doosh from the DT position all of last season. I mean hardly any production at all.
Can you imagine what this front 4 would be if we could just get a 5 or 6 sack guy in the middle to go along with Allen/Walkers 27.5 sacks? (Should have been 28.5 sacks)*
It was great having Big Hen and Stroud during the Jaguars defensive haydays but a Gary Walker type of DT would send this defense to the moon.
The secondary could play more aggressive and break on the quick stuff.
Free Agency:
Top shelf players and probably expensive:
Chris Jones
Justin Madubuike
Christian Wilkins
Mid level and probably offer upgrades and relatively inexpensive:
D.J Reader
Maurice Hurst
Leonard Williams
Sheldon Rankins
Calais Campbell
Fletcher Cox
If they're looking to cut some players and shift their focus onto one side of the football field. It's coming down between the interior on both sides for me personally. Which I think is obvious for most fans and onlookers.
March is more important than April for me, this is due to Baalke's luck tending to be better in free agency Vs. the draft and he's been relatively good about securing decent talent that doesn't break the bank too bad.
With that said, here's what I think might happen because some of it makes the most obvious sense.
Calais Campbell is signed on for one year. He was already in the building last year, he knows this defense already with Hewitt coming over. If he's willing to play one more year it would be probably about the same price, if not, slightly cheaper than last year's deal in Atlanta. He gives you a strong presence that can play inside or outside. He would be a guy I call on day one.
D.J Reader would be my next target. He's another big, space eating presence we need that can play inside and outside. He would probably be a reasonable signing. He'll be 30 already this year but he might have a solid year or two left in the tank.
Lastly, Christian Wilkins is my big splurge target on defense if we can afford it. Once again, like the other two guys listed above, he can play inside and outside and he's coming off of his best year yet as a pass rusher. He's also very active in the running game and is known to rack up quite a bit of tackles so he's not only worth the money but he's very well rounded.
I think if you can walk out of March after cutting Scherff, Robinson and possibly Fatukasi (unless the hit kills us, too lazy to look it up), I feel that you look at lot better and feel a lot better entering training camp with that many proven veterans added into the interior mix of this newly installed defense.
Campbell, Reader and Wilkins would be massive additions to this team and they would give you exactly what you need to get Walker and Allen even more freedom and opportunities to wreak havoc. Do I think they'll get all three of them? No. Could they realistically get one or two of them? Absolutely.
(01-29-2024, 12:31 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (01-24-2024, 05:15 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Any veteran guys we can bring in and get some mileage out of next season?
The Jaguars got squa-doosh from the DT position all of last season. I mean hardly any production at all.
Can you imagine what this front 4 would be if we could just get a 5 or 6 sack guy in the middle to go along with Allen/Walkers 27.5 sacks? (Should have been 28.5 sacks)*
It was great having Big Hen and Stroud during the Jaguars defensive haydays but a Gary Walker type of DT would send this defense to the moon.
The secondary could play more aggressive and break on the quick stuff.
Free Agency:
Top shelf players and probably expensive:
Chris Jones
Justin Madubuike
Christian Wilkins
Mid level and probably offer upgrades and relatively inexpensive:
D.J Reader
Maurice Hurst
Leonard Williams
Sheldon Rankins
Calais Campbell
Fletcher Cox
If they're looking to cut some players and shift their focus onto one side of the football field. It's coming down between the interior on both sides for me personally. Which I think is obvious for most fans and onlookers.
March is more important than April for me, this is due to Baalke's luck tending to be better in free agency Vs. the draft and he's been relatively good about securing decent talent that doesn't break the bank too bad.
With that said, here's what I think might happen because some of it makes the most obvious sense.
Calais Campbell is signed on for one year. He was already in the building last year, he knows this defense already with Hewitt coming over. If he's willing to play one more year it would be probably about the same price, if not, slightly cheaper than last year's deal in Atlanta. He gives you a strong presence that can play inside or outside. He would be a guy I call on day one.
D.J Reader would be my next target. He's another big, space eating presence we need that can play inside and outside. He would probably be a reasonable signing. He'll be 30 already this year but he might have a solid year or two left in the tank.
Lastly, Christian Wilkins is my big splurge target on defense if we can afford it. Once again, like the other two guys listed above, he can play inside and outside and he's coming off of his best year yet as a pass rusher. He's also very active in the running game and is known to rack up quite a bit of tackles so he's not only worth the money but he's very well rounded.
I think if you can walk out of March after cutting Scherff, Robinson and possibly Fatukasi (unless the hit kills us, too lazy to look it up), I feel that you look at lot better and feel a lot better entering training camp with that many proven veterans added into the interior mix of this newly installed defense.
Campbell, Reader and Wilkins would be massive additions to this team and they would give you exactly what you need to get Walker and Allen even more freedom and opportunities to wreak havoc. Do I think they'll get all three of them? No. Could they realistically get one or two of them? Absolutely.
Foley is a $12.8 hit next year. They can save $3.5 if they cut him Pre-6/1 or $8 million this year if they post 6/1 him with $4 million assessed this and next year. I'd probably just keep him at that price, but if I'm getting rid of him I absorb the whole hit this year even with the smaller savings.