(03-11-2024, 11:57 AM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2024, 11:49 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with that. I think Cleveland can and will be solid for this coming season.
We still need 1 or 2 more solid OL players though.
I guess I missed it -- did they re-sign Cleveland? What were the terms?
Yes, 3 years around 9 million per.
SO far (and it is early yet)
The Jags brass kept Scherff but made his cap hit cheaper. Good move, but not the best move for the run game IMO.
They re-upped on Cleveland banking on him being better when healthy and acclimated. Good chance that works out fine IMO. Not a bad $ deal either.
They signed a solid center that represents a clear upgrade to Fortner and 79 gets to develop as a back up for up to 2 years.
Next up:
Keep all three tackles?
Who starts where?
Upgrade a tackle in the draft?
Cut or restructure Cam?
Add guard in the draft to be heir apparent/competition at RG?
This situation could still keep getting better.
(03-11-2024, 12:53 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]SO far (and it is early yet)
The Jags brass kept Scherff but made his cap hit cheaper. Good move, but not the best move for the run game IMO.
They re-upped on Cleveland banking on him being better when healthy and acclimated. Good chance that works out fine IMO. Not a bad $ deal either.
They signed a solid center that represents a clear upgrade to Fortner and 79 gets to develop as a back up for up to 2 years.
Next up:
Keep all three tackles?
Who starts where?
Upgrade a tackle in the draft?
Cut or restructure Cam?
Add guard in the draft to be heir apparent/competition at RG?
This situation could still keep getting better.
I like it, if we do trade Cam I think RT is back in play at 17 because Little is on the last year of his deal as well. I wouldn't mind a contract restructure to lower Cams cap hit this year if we are going to keep him even if it means adding another year to the contract. As of now Harrison is the only starting tackle on the roster for next year
Welcome to Jacksonville Mitch Morse.
NH3...
(03-11-2024, 09:40 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]And just a day later the Jaguars sign a new center. Guess this thread was smidge premature.
We still have scherff. Morse is a crash test dummy. Typical Jags fan celebrating mediocrity and offseason championship when the win/loss bracket is the ultimate outlier. There’s a reason Morse was paid in peanuts
(03-11-2024, 12:53 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]SO far (and it is early yet)
The Jags brass kept Scherff but made his cap hit cheaper. Good move, but not the best move for the run game IMO.
They re-upped on Cleveland banking on him being better when healthy and acclimated. Good chance that works out fine IMO. Not a bad $ deal either.
They signed a solid center that represents a clear upgrade to Fortner and 79 gets to develop as a back up for up to 2 years.
Next up:
Keep all three tackles?
Who starts where?
Upgrade a tackle in the draft?
Cut or restructure Cam?
Add guard in the draft to be heir apparent/competition at RG?
This situation could still keep getting better.
I think you set sights on G/C versatility early. You've got to plan for injury between Morse and Scherff, especially.
I dunno if Harrison is gonna be great at LT, but adding depth at Tackle would be great for the future, I gotta feeling that Cam is gone after this season. Little is TBD, but if he wants anywhere close to starter money, I let him chase the bag. If we can renew him at backup-level pricing, might be worth the offer.
I think the goal this April is to bring two guys in fresh, at minimum. FA has done well to patch, saving us from desperation. We can let the picks come to us, or jump when value presents itself.
(03-11-2024, 03:31 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2024, 09:40 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]And just a day later the Jaguars sign a new center. Guess this thread was smidge premature.
We still have scherff. Morse is a crash test dummy. Typical Jags fan celebrating mediocrity and offseason championship when the win/loss bracket is the ultimate outlier. There’s a reason Morse was paid in peanuts
styrofoam packing ones? I hear they help with cushioning
(03-11-2024, 09:40 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]And just a day later the Jaguars sign a new center. Guess this thread was smidge premature.
I said a lot could change. I like the fact they addressed Center. I hope they address a lot more. Their conferences did not hint they were looking for change. They changed one of 5 and that is a good thing. Still not good enough to this point but again a lot could change. I hope the team invest a ton more in offensive line.
(03-11-2024, 04:08 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2024, 12:53 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]SO far (and it is early yet)
The Jags brass kept Scherff but made his cap hit cheaper. Good move, but not the best move for the run game IMO.
They re-upped on Cleveland banking on him being better when healthy and acclimated. Good chance that works out fine IMO. Not a bad $ deal either.
They signed a solid center that represents a clear upgrade to Fortner and 79 gets to develop as a back up for up to 2 years.
Next up:
Keep all three tackles?
Who starts where?
Upgrade a tackle in the draft?
Cut or restructure Cam?
Add guard in the draft to be heir apparent/competition at RG?
This situation could still keep getting better.
I think you set sights on G/C versatility early. You've got to plan for injury between Morse and Scherff, especially.
I dunno if Harrison is gonna be great at LT, but adding depth at Tackle would be great for the future, I gotta feeling that Cam is gone after this season. Little is TBD, but if he wants anywhere close to starter money, I let him chase the bag. If we can renew him at backup-level pricing, might be worth the offer.
I think the goal this April is to bring two guys in fresh, at minimum. FA has done well to patch, saving us from desperation. We can let the picks come to us, or jump when value presents itself.
(03-11-2024, 03:31 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: [ -> ]We still have scherff. Morse is a crash test dummy. Typical Jags fan celebrating mediocrity and offseason championship when the win/loss bracket is the ultimate outlier. There’s a reason Morse was paid in peanuts
styrofoam packing ones? I hear they help with cushioning
That's what I was screaming from every rooftop in Duval county last year at this time.
And here we are again.
(03-11-2024, 04:11 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2024, 04:08 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]I think you set sights on G/C versatility early. You've got to plan for injury between Morse and Scherff, especially.
I dunno if Harrison is gonna be great at LT, but adding depth at Tackle would be great for the future, I gotta feeling that Cam is gone after this season. Little is TBD, but if he wants anywhere close to starter money, I let him chase the bag. If we can renew him at backup-level pricing, might be worth the offer.
I think the goal this April is to bring two guys in fresh, at minimum. FA has done well to patch, saving us from desperation. We can let the picks come to us, or jump when value presents itself.
styrofoam packing ones? I hear they help with cushioning
That's what I was screaming from every rooftop in Duval county last year at this time.
And here we are again.
Graham Barton is your man this draft then.
(03-10-2024, 10:30 PM)AnOldBrownie Wrote: [ -> ] (03-10-2024, 08:13 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Look for Harrison to play near or at a Pro Bowl level in 2024 and Cleveland will have more to offer with an offseason with the team.
Cooper Hodges has the potential to step in and play either guard position. Once he returns healthy he offers immediate high-end run blocking ability with his power and aggressiveness.
Little is probably one of the better swing tackles in the league.
Robinson will do his thing at LT.
We’ll see what they do with Fortner and Scherff with the draft and free agency.
We got bigger fish to fry over on the defensive side of the ball, starting with DT.
Not sure why anyone brings up Cooper. Sure, if he's a halfway decent backup guard it's a win for the Jags. In no way do I think he's a better guard than a healthy Scherff (who I'm not sold on) or Cleveland.
Replacing Fortner at center and getting a quality defensive tackle are both important moves this off season.
DT...Javon Kinlaw...or any decent DT is going to cost 10 million per year.
I'm thinking a quality center will cost the same.
That's 20 million to shore up the offensive and defensive line.
I gotchu bro, it’s because the topic is offensive line and he showed some promise during camp and preseason before the injury. The coaches also nicknamed him because he has the ability to move people.
Your brain is glitching, because nobody said he was better than Cleveland or Scherff (who you’re not sold on). The sentence read: Cooper Hodges has the potential to step in and play either guard position. Once he returns healthy he offers immediate high-end run blocking ability with his power and aggressiveness.
(03-11-2024, 03:31 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2024, 09:40 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]And just a day later the Jaguars sign a new center. Guess this thread was smidge premature.
We still have scherff. Morse is a crash test dummy. Typical Jags fan celebrating mediocrity and offseason championship when the win/loss bracket is the ultimate outlier. There’s a reason Morse was paid in peanuts
Hey man, thanks. Really, we didn't have any derp in this thread until you showed out.
(03-11-2024, 04:10 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2024, 09:40 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]And just a day later the Jaguars sign a new center. Guess this thread was smidge premature.
I said a lot could change. I like the fact they addressed Center. I hope they address a lot more. Their conferences did not hint they were looking for change. They changed one of 5 and that is a good thing. Still not good enough to this point but again a lot could change. I hope the team invest a ton more in offensive line.
My point was maybe you shouldn't go off their actions like that before they actually have a chance to do anything other than bring back their own guys, which they did too. Of course their pressers didn't hint anything, since when have NFL guys like that EVER said what they meant? I can't believe so many people still think that they are transparent about their plans when they get up there and use 1,000 words to say nothing at all. We knew Harrison wasn't getting replaced, so that's 2 of the 5. Scherff got a new deal that made him affordable in price to production. Cleveland is a fine player and we got him for a good price. The left tackle is the only issue to me since Cam is way overpaid and risky for his average and now peaked level of play and they don't seem to have confidence in Little. Basically they acknowledged the issue with the line was the guy in the middle, brought in a great replacement, and helped the salary cap to set up Allen and TLaw for their mega-deals. It's been a really good couple of days for the front office and a really lousy one for all the naysayers (of which I am one btw).
(03-11-2024, 04:11 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2024, 04:08 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]I think you set sights on G/C versatility early. You've got to plan for injury between Morse and Scherff, especially.
I dunno if Harrison is gonna be great at LT, but adding depth at Tackle would be great for the future, I gotta feeling that Cam is gone after this season. Little is TBD, but if he wants anywhere close to starter money, I let him chase the bag. If we can renew him at backup-level pricing, might be worth the offer.
I think the goal this April is to bring two guys in fresh, at minimum. FA has done well to patch, saving us from desperation. We can let the picks come to us, or jump when value presents itself.
That's what I was screaming from every rooftop in Duval county last year at this time.
And here we are again.
I will say I believe this darft is MUCH deeper in that area, but leaving the cupboard bare was criminal.
Pretty interesting how this Einstein fella is becoming famous with the release of the Oppenheimer movie.
(03-12-2024, 01:07 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]Pretty interesting how this Einstein fella is becoming famous with the release of the Oppenheimer movie.
I knew he was gonna make it big when they did that Little Einstein show.
They will take the first steps in rebuilding the O-line pipeline this draft.
(03-12-2024, 08:49 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]They will take the first steps in rebuilding the O-line pipeline this draft.
I hope so. I'll say it again, for all of the fans that said the offensive line was one of the worst in the league in 2023, adding a $5.25M per year C is simply not enough.
(03-13-2024, 10:33 AM)cland Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2024, 08:49 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]They will take the first steps in rebuilding the O-line pipeline this draft.
I hope so. I'll say it again, for all of the fans that said the offensive line was one of the worst in the league in 2023, adding a $5.25M per year C is simply not enough.
It’s a start and a huge one.
How many times were the Jags stymied in the red zone and short yardage plays bc the center is getting shoved straight backwards?