In this situation Hill was very wrong and is lucky that he didn't have to go to jail. He acted like he was "entitled" based on his job.
One of the most fundamental lessons that a police officer learns about doing traffic stops is being able to see hands. That is not only for an officer's safety, but also for the safety of persons in the vehicle. Refusing to roll the window down is just Hill feeling like he is entitled and "above" law enforcement.
Had he started reaching into a console or glove compartment where the officer can't see the hands might get perceived as a threat to the officer. The officer doesn't know if he is reaching for his vehicle registration or a weapon, especially if he refused to roll his tinted window down. Getting him out of the car and detaining him was the right thing to do since he refused to comply and was "combative" towards the officer.
On a sidenote, when I think of this entitlement aspect of professional athletics, I sometimes think of how the dynamics of pro sports could drastically change by the population boycotting every pro sport for 3 years. Could you imaging the TV deals, pro contracts, and plunging values of all the franchises. We literally could reset the market value of athletes by capping what we are willing to spend for a ticket after the 3-year boycott period.
Obviously that would never happen, but it does present an interesting scenario that would be interesting to see on a TV special.
I've held my judgement until I actually saw the body cam footage, which I just did.. Tyreek was in the wrong as soon as he didn't comply and started to roll his window back up.. Those cops don't know that dude or even if he had a gun drawn on them.
And [BLEEP] the dolphins for backing that piece of [BLEEP]..
(09-10-2024, 04:04 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]In this situation Hill was very wrong and is lucky that he didn't have to go to jail. He acted like he was "entitled" based on his job.
One of the most fundamental lessons that a police officer learns about doing traffic stops is being able to see hands. That is not only for an officer's safety, but also for the safety of persons in the vehicle. Refusing to roll the window down is just Hill feeling like he is entitled and "above" law enforcement.
Had he started reaching into a console or glove compartment where the officer can't see the hands might get perceived as a threat to the officer. The officer doesn't know if he is reaching for his vehicle registration or a weapon, especially if he refused to roll his tinted window down. Getting him out of the car and detaining him was the right thing to do since he refused to comply and was "combative" towards the officer.
Hill knew he was traveling 20 mph over the speed limit in a congested area. This is before the game with other traffic and pedestrians. He was endangering others.He knew he was wrong to do this. You can hear on the body cam him say just give me my ticket and let's go. If he had left his window rolled down that is exactly what would have happened. He chose not to. If this had been any of us we would have gone to jail.
Lol, we live in upside down world.
(09-12-2024, 03:51 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Miami PD should back their guys 100%. Slippery slope if you trust this guy.
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/statu...mjtEw&s=19
I agree the cop didn't need to drag him out of the car.
The issue is Tyreek lost the ability to complain about anything when he didn't roll his window down, follow instructions from the cop, kept rolling his window up, and then moved as slow as possible when supposedly going to get out of the vehicle.
You can't complain now and expect anything to happen. If you don't want cops to treat you like that then follow their instructions. Fight them in court after the fact but follow their instructions no matter how wrong you think they are.
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(09-12-2024, 06:13 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2024, 03:51 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Miami PD should back their guys 100%. Slippery slope if you trust this guy.
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/statu...mjtEw&s=19
The issue is Tyreek lost the ability to complain about anything when he didn't roll his window down
So what????
The cops could have made it easier on themselves and their department. Now they're rightfully getting scrutiny and are probably going to get some lawsuits. Was it worth it?
I'm sure they could have found other things wrong with his car. Write him a ticket for illegal window tint or not using a blinker. There was no need to do what they did. They did that because cop culture insists on dick-waving. Even if the driver gives the officer attitude, that's all that they had to do. Having an attitude problem must be annoying to deal with. I don't recommend that drivers who are pulled over get their inner smartass on. I recommend two hands on the wheel and insurance and registration within easy reach and sight. But cops have duties to be professional.
Tyreek and the cop can both be wrong.
I don't think Tyreek was treated unfairly.
I do think the cop didn't need to be so rough, and I don't think putting Calais in cuffs was necessary.
The cops could be retrained.
But they didn't violate anyone's rights.
(09-13-2024, 08:54 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Tyreek and the cop can both be wrong.
I don't think Tyreek was treated unfairly.
I do think the cop didn't need to be so rough, and I don't think putting Calais in cuffs was necessary.
The cops could be retrained.
But they didn't violate anyone's rights.
I love Calais, but putting him in cuffs was necessary. They don’t know who he is or what his intentions are. You don’t walk up on a police altercation and try to insert yourself into it. The police don’t know if you’re a good guy trying to help, or a bad guy trying to hurt.
(09-13-2024, 08:54 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Tyreek and the cop can both be wrong.
I don't think Tyreek was treated unfairly.
I do think the cop didn't need to be so rough, and I don't think putting Calais in cuffs was necessary.
The cops could be retrained.
But they didn't violate anyone's rights.
(09-13-2024, 09:39 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2024, 08:54 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Tyreek and the cop can both be wrong.
I don't think Tyreek was treated unfairly.
I do think the cop didn't need to be so rough, and I don't think putting Calais in cuffs was necessary.
The cops could be retrained.
But they didn't violate anyone's rights.
I love Calais, but putting him in cuffs was necessary. They don’t know who he is or what his intentions are. You don’t walk up on a police altercation and try to insert yourself into it. The police don’t know if you’re a good guy trying to help, or a bad guy trying to hurt.
Calais had to be detained once he approached. Like Bchbunnie4 said, if the cop has their back to a huge man that they don't know and don't know their intentions, the cop couldn't protect Tyreek or himself. If they don't cuff him, the situation could end in a shooting.
Cops are now trained to cuff everyone when they don't know who is who, they are out numbered or physically disadvantaged, don't know if someone may be a threat, etc. Once they figure it out, they will let you go or arrest you. A lot of it is for safety and legal protection.
The cop did everything by the book, so there isn't anything to retrain on. The leadership may yell at him for causing them all these problems.
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(09-14-2024, 01:33 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2024, 08:54 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Tyreek and the cop can both be wrong.
I don't think Tyreek was treated unfairly.
I do think the cop didn't need to be so rough, and I don't think putting Calais in cuffs was necessary.
The cops could be retrained.
But they didn't violate anyone's rights.
(09-13-2024, 09:39 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]I love Calais, but putting him in cuffs was necessary. They don’t know who he is or what his intentions are. You don’t walk up on a police altercation and try to insert yourself into it. The police don’t know if you’re a good guy trying to help, or a bad guy trying to hurt.
Calais had to be detained once he approached. Like Bchbunnie4 said, if the cop has their back to a huge man that they don't know and don't know their intentions, the cop couldn't protect Tyreek or himself. If they don't cuff him, the situation could end in a shooting.
Cops are now trained to cuff everyone when they don't know who is who, they are out numbered or physically disadvantaged, don't know if someone may be a threat, etc. Once they figure it out, they will let you go or arrest you. A lot of it is for safety and legal protection.
The cop did everything by the book, so there isn't anything to retrain on. The leadership may yell at him for causing them all these problems.
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Maybe. The cops may have been able to do more, verbally, to keep Calais and any other bystander at more of a distance. There were 3 or 4 cops there.
There is no more personal responsibility in this country.
(09-14-2024, 09:51 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]There is no more personal responsibility in this country.
That got voted out 3.5 years ago..
Orange man bad!!
(09-13-2024, 08:47 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2024, 06:13 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]The issue is Tyreek lost the ability to complain about anything when he didn't roll his window down
So what????
The cops could have made it easier on themselves and their department. Now they're rightfully getting scrutiny and are probably going to get some lawsuits. Was it worth it?
I'm sure they could have found other things wrong with his car. Write him a ticket for illegal window tint or not using a blinker. There was no need to do what they did. They did that because cop culture insists on dick-waving. Even if the driver gives the officer attitude, that's all that they had to do. Having an attitude problem must be annoying to deal with. I don't recommend that drivers who are pulled over get their inner smartass on. I recommend two hands on the wheel and insurance and registration within easy reach and sight. But cops have duties to be professional.
Wow. What a dumb take.