(09-18-2024, 05:49 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-18-2024, 05:38 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]The oline sucks, just makes even more of a reason to get it to your best fastest WR. I'm not talking about that 1 play, There was 1 day were our oline got dominated. BTJ showed out every practice and it carried right over to the regular season. The should have Thomas working the intermediate routes as well. The coaching staff shouldn't shy away from getting BTJ more targetes just because our oline sucks.
LOL
what makes you think they are shying away from him. There are no indications that is even happening.
I don't think they are but that's the excuse I get, it's not a good enough excuse though. I don't care if our oline sucks I still want him to get more targets. He has 8 targets on the year that's one per quarter. It's not enough imo. Giants oline is worse than ours and Nabers has triple the targets.
Nakua last year set the rookie record. I'm not trying to break records with BTJ and i think Trevor should spread the ball around but 1 target per game isn't enough for your best player imo.
(09-18-2024, 05:37 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-18-2024, 05:27 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]It doesn't have to all all deep shots 40 yards down field. None looked as good as BTJ did this camp. BTJ did the same thing in the first half week 1 vs the highest paid corner as he did in camp. Feed the hot hot not go away from it.
They aren't going away from it. Why do you assume they are going away from it?
He had the same number of actual targets in week 2 as week 1 and he'd likely have had 3 or 4 more if the browns didn't spoil so many passing attempts with pressure and we didn't ruin a handful more of them with unforced errors.
Week 1 BTJ had zero targets in the 2nd half after roasting Ramsey's bum [BLEEP] multiple times in the 1st half. That is going away from it.
(09-18-2024, 07:14 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-18-2024, 05:49 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOL
what makes you think they are shying away from him. There are no indications that is even happening.
I don't think they are but that's the excuse I get, it's not a good enough excuse though. I don't care if our oline sucks I still want him to get more targets. He has 8 targets on the year that's one per quarter. It's not enough imo. Giants oline is worse than ours and Nabers has triple the targets.
Nakua last year set the rookie record. I'm not trying to break records with BTJ and i think Trevor should spread the ball around but 1 target per game isn't enough for your best player imo.
(09-18-2024, 05:37 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]They aren't going away from it. Why do you assume they are going away from it?
He had the same number of actual targets in week 2 as week 1 and he'd likely have had 3 or 4 more if the browns didn't spoil so many passing attempts with pressure and we didn't ruin a handful more of them with unforced errors.
Week 1 BTJ had zero targets in the 2nd half after roasting Ramsey's bum [BLEEP] multiple times in the 1st half. That is going away from it.
Seems like a lot of premature freak out, but OK
I'm sure he'll get his looks
(09-18-2024, 05:49 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-18-2024, 05:38 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]The oline sucks, just makes even more of a reason to get it to your best fastest WR. I'm not talking about that 1 play, There was 1 day were our oline got dominated. BTJ showed out every practice and it carried right over to the regular season. The should have Thomas working the intermediate routes as well. The coaching staff shouldn't shy away from getting BTJ more targetes just because our oline sucks.
LOL
what makes you think they are shying away from him. There are no indications that is even happening.
Are you aware of his targets?
Not sure why you keep defending this idiotic coaching staff
(09-18-2024, 08:56 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ] (09-18-2024, 05:49 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOL
what makes you think they are shying away from him. There are no indications that is even happening.
Are you aware of his targets?
Not sure why you keep defending this idiotic coaching staff
So you didn't read my prior posts.
Fine.
No one knows how many plays they had dialed up that had him as a number one or two read.
A bunch of blathering fools just act like they know. They don't.
No one knows how many of those three and out drives would have featured a throw to Thomas if they'd made it 10 damn yards first.
No one knows how many of the plays busted by pressure would have had him as a top read.
As it ended up - with all of the offense errors and garbage line play - he got 4 targets in week one and 4 targets in week 2.
My guess is he'd have had more if the offense wasn't out there stepping on its own sausage all day.
Hopefully we'll see that (more targets) happen on Monday.
And I'm not defending a staff, I'm [BLEEP] pissed at the staff for trotting out another subpar line.
I'm just shooting down bad analysis when I feel like it.
Trevor has to understand the throw has to be made when his foot hits the last step. It doesn't matter if the double move is made yet or not. He has to throw it to a spot and let the WR to go get it. If the safety isn't there, they still won't get there.
Yes the OL is bad but Trevor is waiting too long to throw it. Trust the WR to get to the spot and throw the ball. You can still throw deep as long as you have timing down and throw it early.
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(09-18-2024, 08:49 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-18-2024, 07:14 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think they are but that's the excuse I get, it's not a good enough excuse though. I don't care if our oline sucks I still want him to get more targets. He has 8 targets on the year that's one per quarter. It's not enough imo. Giants oline is worse than ours and Nabers has triple the targets.
Nakua last year set the rookie record. I'm not trying to break records with BTJ and i think Trevor should spread the ball around but 1 target per game isn't enough for your best player imo.
Week 1 BTJ had zero targets in the 2nd half after roasting Ramsey's bum [BLEEP] multiple times in the 1st half. That is going away from it.
Seems like a lot of premature freak out, but OK
I'm sure he'll get his looks
That can be said for a lot of things being talked about on this board right now lol.
(09-18-2024, 09:27 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Trevor has to understand the throw has to be made when his foot hits the last step. It doesn't matter if the double move is made yet or not. He has to throw it to a spot and let the WR to go get it. If the safety isn't there, they still won't get there.
Yes the OL is bad but Trevor is waiting too long to throw it. Trust the WR to get to the spot and throw the ball. You can still throw deep as long as you have timing down and throw it early.
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Suppose Trevor decided to throw as he stepped up to avoid Garrett , so it was one motion. Did he have space for a throwing motion? Does Garrett bat the ball away? That's a a safety or browns TD if he does. Does the DT bat it down? That's a possible pick 6. Does the ball sail? That's a likely INT or incompletion. Does it actually find an open receiver? Seems releasing the ball earlier than designed might be a bad strategy, to me.
If they wanted the ball to be out early they should have called the play that gets the ball out early.
(09-18-2024, 08:56 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ] (09-18-2024, 05:49 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOL
what makes you think they are shying away from him. There are no indications that is even happening.
Are you aware of his targets?
Not sure why you keep defending this idiotic coaching staff
How many plays on Sunday was BTj the first read?
(09-18-2024, 09:49 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (09-18-2024, 09:27 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Trevor has to understand the throw has to be made when his foot hits the last step. It doesn't matter if the double move is made yet or not. He has to throw it to a spot and let the WR to go get it. If the safety isn't there, they still won't get there.
Yes the OL is bad but Trevor is waiting too long to throw it. Trust the WR to get to the spot and throw the ball. You can still throw deep as long as you have timing down and throw it early.
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Suppose Trevor decided to throw as he stepped up to avoid Garrett , so it was one motion. Did he have space for a throwing motion? Does Garrett bat the ball away? That's a a safety or browns TD if he does. Does the DT bat it down? That's a possible pick 6. Does the ball sail? That's a likely INT or incompletion. Does it actually find an open receiver? Seems releasing the ball earlier than designed might be a bad strategy, to me.
If they wanted the ball to be out early they should have called the play that gets the ball out early.
In the end zone, you have to know you don't have time. If it's a 5 step drop, the ball should be coming out at the end of the drop back.
Whether the ball gets hit, he can't throw to the right spot, etc, those are all other issues. If the WR was 1 second from being wide open, throwing then would not make a difference. Trevor seems to have issues turning the ball loose, specifically deep. On the 1 deep pass he threw last week, it looked like he just said screw it, I'm throwing it deep. It was 1 on 1 and he wasn't wide open. He has got to start doing that more and anticipating who will be open. Then throw to spots where the hole should be in the defense.
I don't agree with the call but Trevor has to either change the play or throw the ball. Holding it gets a safety. I think there are serious issues behind the scenes that will see the light of day soon. Trevor seems upset with issues coming from the coaches.
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Had the left guard not completely wiffed on this block the play had more than enough time. If we're going to call plays fearful of complete and total incompetence then we should just forfeit the games. I think that's why Doug is behaving the way he is, you simply cannot plan for your players to [BLEEP] themselves several times a game.
(09-19-2024, 11:19 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Had the left guard not completely wiffed on this block the play had more than enough time. If we're going to call plays fearful of complete and total incompetence then we should just forfeit the games. I think that's why Doug is behaving the way he is, you simply cannot plan for your players to [BLEEP] themselves several times a game.
Agreed but you have to have a plan for when it does. Trevor right now is looking for the shots downfield. Kirk is nonexistent as his routes are usually shorter to mid. It's great to look downfield but he has to process it faster. If the route isn't there move off it quicker, stop waiting and hoping they get open. Either throw and hope the WR wins or move on to the underneath routes. The hot routes have to be used more.
I don't think it is all on Trevor. OL sucks but everyone knows that. The issue, I think, is the coaching. They seem to be trying to force the deep passing as option 1. They want Trevor to hold the ball and wait for it to come open. He also isn't throwing it up for grabs, so I think they are saying we want you to throw it deep, but don't turn it over.
If this is happening, Trevor needs to voice it. After last year's failures and now this season, the coaching seems like it is the problem.
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(09-19-2024, 11:19 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Had the left guard not completely wiffed on this block the play had more than enough time. If we're going to call plays fearful of complete and total incompetence then we should just forfeit the games. I think that's why Doug is behaving the way he is, you simply cannot plan for your players to [BLEEP] themselves several times a game.
no, you can't plan for it, unless they tend to do it in the biggest moments of the game, which they tend to do.
4 minutes to go, game tied, let's put together a drive and seal this win. Or, we run for no gain, give up two sacks and punt.
down 10-0, 33 yard run to the 2, hey! momentum....up the middle for -2. (8th play of the drive, after a time out)
2 minutes to go, down 3, on your two, whiff whiff boom, wha happen? Aw hamburgers.
I'm telling you, these guys are like the awkward teenage boy in the presence of their crush whenever the pressure is on. They forget how to do everything and end up wetting their pants.
Given our history, the smart play (run up the gut to buy some space) ends up a loss or no gain anyway (see above), but something has to be figured out why these guys cower in the face of pivotal moments in a game.