(09-24-2024, 10:19 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2024, 09:48 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Keeping the faith. No matter what. A broken clock is at least right twice a day. I'll eventually get one right.
Jaguars - 21
tinhorns - 20
I mean, if they somehow go into Houston and fix the issues and come away with a win, we'll be 1 game out of 1st place in the division, an apparently very weak division at that, with 14 games to go. This early narrative can still be changed this year, but this is kinda must win territory in week 4. Need to get some guys back healthy this week.
I just can't see a quick turn around fix for this team.. So many glaring problems on offense, defense and coaching. It feels like a perfect storm of ineptness..
(09-24-2024, 10:25 AM)HardcoreMoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]Cam was bad last night. Walker Little came in late and was terrible. We are getting dominated by 3 and 4 rushers. Some of that is confusion along the OL. Some is talent.
When they were good Trevor was not good. I'm also curious to see tank get some starting run. Haven't seen closely but we need to be able to TE and RB block also.
O Line did fairly well in the first half, including Cam.
The second half wasn't good at all but those things could be fixed if we had a QB that can operate.
I compare this team to the movie Space Balls.. Seen it a thousand [BLEEP] times and can tell you what happens next..
...are you saying we are gonna get shut out?
(09-24-2024, 10:47 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]...are you saying we are gonna get shut out?
Got too good of a kicker for that..
(09-24-2024, 10:26 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2024, 10:19 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]I mean, if they somehow go into Houston and fix the issues and come away with a win, we'll be 1 game out of 1st place in the division, an apparently very weak division at that, with 14 games to go. This early narrative can still be changed this year, but this is kinda must win territory in week 4. Need to get some guys back healthy this week.
I just can't see a quick turn around fix for this team.. So many glaring problems on offense, defense and coaching. It feels like a perfect storm of ineptness..
Could very well be, but the NFL is a week to week league a lot of times. It needs to be our week finally. It doesn't help when you're not playing well as a team AND not getting any breaks or significant calls while the opposing team is. BTJ drops a pass on the first drive that would have put us in a much more manageable 3rd and short. Travon gets blatantly held on an early TD pass. Offenses and defenses don't play in a vacuum. What happens to one affects the other thru field position and time on the bench and overall mentality. We're better than we looked last night, but clearly not good enough to overcome bad calls/no calls, drops and injuries. Same story the first two weeks. This team is not mentally tough right now. Perhaps that can still change this season.
People expecting firings this week are setting themselves up to ragequit. The firings will be next week if we lose and go 3 games behind the tinhorns, lol. You don't blow things up when the stakes are still high going into a division game and you've had some significant injuries and bad luck accompanying your sub par play. At some point the luck will change and guys will get healthy.
I will say that Doug needs to announce who is calling plays. This being coy [BLEEP] I didn't have much of a problem with at first, but it's utter [BLEEP] after last night and I'm not laying the majority of blame last night on offensive play calls. It was definitely more execution, but part of your responsibility as head coach is getting your team ready to play. We haven't seen what we saw last night in some time and I realize some of that was getting into negative game script early with drops and missed assignments and a bad no call on the blatant hold. I don't care what the answer is regarding offensive play caller if it's Press, him or both, but his leash should be getting mighty short and, moving forward, blame needs to be able to be properly assigned when appropriate whether that's him or Press or both. He's squandered the good will he's been afforded.
(09-24-2024, 11:00 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2024, 10:26 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]I just can't see a quick turn around fix for this team.. So many glaring problems on offense, defense and coaching. It feels like a perfect storm of ineptness..
Could very well be, but the NFL is a week to week league a lot of times. It needs to be our week finally. It doesn't help when you're not playing well as a team AND not getting any breaks or significant calls while the opposing team is. BTJ drops a pass on the first drive that would have put us in a much more manageable 3rd and short. Travon gets blatantly held on an early TD pass. Offenses and defenses don't play in a vacuum. What happens to one affects the other thru field position and time on the bench and overall mentality. We're better than we looked last night, but clearly not good enough to overcome bad calls/no calls, drops and injuries. Same story the first two weeks. This team is not mentally tough right now. Perhaps that can still change this season.
People expecting firings this week are setting themselves up to ragequit. The firings will be next week if we lose and go 3 games behind the tinhorns, lol. You don't blow things up when the stakes are still high going into a division game and you've had some significant injuries and bad luck accompanying your sub par play. At some point the luck will change.
I will say that Doug needs to announce who is calling plays. This being coy [BLEEP] I didn't have much of a problem with at first, but it's utter [BLEEP] after last night and I'm not laying the majority of blame last night on offensive play calls. It was definitely more execution, but part of your responsibility as head coach is getting your team ready to play. We haven't seen what we saw last night in some time and I realize some of that was getting into negative game script early with drops and missed assignments and a bad no call on the blatant hold. I don't care what the answer is regarding offensive play caller if it's Press, him or both, but his leash should be getting mighty short and, moving forward, blame needs to be able to be properly assigned when appropriate whether that's him or Press or both. He's squandered the good will he's been afforded.
Kinda sounds like you've seen Space Balls a few times too lololol
(09-24-2024, 11:00 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2024, 10:26 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]I just can't see a quick turn around fix for this team.. So many glaring problems on offense, defense and coaching. It feels like a perfect storm of ineptness..
Could very well be, but the NFL is a week to week league a lot of times. It needs to be our week finally. It doesn't help when you're not playing well as a team AND not getting any breaks or significant calls while the opposing team is. BTJ drops a pass on the first drive that would have put us in a much more manageable 3rd and short. Travon gets blatantly held on an early TD pass. Offenses and defenses don't play in a vacuum. What happens to one affects the other thru field position and time on the bench and overall mentality. We're better than we looked last night, but clearly not good enough to overcome bad calls/no calls, drops and injuries. Same story the first two weeks. This team is not mentally tough right now. Perhaps that can still change this season.
People expecting firings this week are setting themselves up to ragequit. The firings will be next week if we lose and go 3 games behind the tinhorns, lol. You don't blow things up when the stakes are still high going into a division game and you've had some significant injuries and bad luck accompanying your sub par play. At some point the luck will change.
I will say that Doug needs to announce who is calling plays. This being coy [BLEEP] I didn't have much of a problem with at first, but it's utter [BLEEP] after last night and I'm not laying the majority of blame last night on offensive play calls. It was definitely more execution, but part of your responsibility as head coach is getting your team ready to play. We haven't seen what we saw last night in some time and I realize some of that was getting into negative game script early with drops and missed assignments and a bad no call on the blatant hold. I don't care what the answer is regarding offensive play caller if it's Press, him or both, but his leash should be getting mighty short and, moving forward, blame needs to be able to be properly assigned when appropriate whether that's him or Press or both. He's squandered the good will he's been afforded.
And if he comes out and says "I've been calling plays all year" none of these people would believe him.
Bench Cam please. Dude gave up 8 pressures last night.
(09-24-2024, 11:07 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Bench Cam please. Dude gave up 8 pressures last night.
Should be Little and CVL this week since Anton hurt his knee.
(09-24-2024, 11:05 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2024, 11:00 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Could very well be, but the NFL is a week to week league a lot of times. It needs to be our week finally. It doesn't help when you're not playing well as a team AND not getting any breaks or significant calls while the opposing team is. BTJ drops a pass on the first drive that would have put us in a much more manageable 3rd and short. Travon gets blatantly held on an early TD pass. Offenses and defenses don't play in a vacuum. What happens to one affects the other thru field position and time on the bench and overall mentality. We're better than we looked last night, but clearly not good enough to overcome bad calls/no calls, drops and injuries. Same story the first two weeks. This team is not mentally tough right now. Perhaps that can still change this season.
People expecting firings this week are setting themselves up to ragequit. The firings will be next week if we lose and go 3 games behind the tinhorns, lol. You don't blow things up when the stakes are still high going into a division game and you've had some significant injuries and bad luck accompanying your sub par play. At some point the luck will change.
I will say that Doug needs to announce who is calling plays. This being coy [BLEEP] I didn't have much of a problem with at first, but it's utter [BLEEP] after last night and I'm not laying the majority of blame last night on offensive play calls. It was definitely more execution, but part of your responsibility as head coach is getting your team ready to play. We haven't seen what we saw last night in some time and I realize some of that was getting into negative game script early with drops and missed assignments and a bad no call on the blatant hold. I don't care what the answer is regarding offensive play caller if it's Press, him or both, but his leash should be getting mighty short and, moving forward, blame needs to be able to be properly assigned when appropriate whether that's him or Press or both. He's squandered the good will he's been afforded.
And if he comes out and says "I've been calling plays all year" none of these people would believe him.
I'm not worried about the first 3 games. I'm talking about moving forward. He's shielding Press from media scrutiny. I didn't have a problem with that because I believed some were making too big a deal out of it, but he's lost the good will he had in my mind to be able to do that anymore. I'm not giving up on him or the season like some, but it should be fair game to scrutinize if the losses keep coming.
(09-24-2024, 09:29 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2024, 09:07 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]The good thing is we will likely be able to get the best olinman in the draft with the new GM and we can get another really good interior lineman in the 2nd. We also have 2 3rds and 2 4ths. In the off season we can build the Duval Wall around Trevor and try to give him the best protection we can.
That would be wonderful. I'm hopeful that Harrison can be salvaged and Morse can play at par for one more year while we get someone else ready. I do think that Little and Tugboat should already be in at left tackle and right guard to see if they can be longer term answers there. If we can go Harrison, Cleveland, Morse, Tugboat, Walker next season that gives the rookies some time to get up to speed and then I'd like to see them push Cleveland and Morse out by the end of the year. Cleveland's contract is favorable to cut him after next season and Morse is only a two year deal, so it's advantageous to have them start for 2025 then fade out.
(09-24-2024, 08:51 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Nevermore, you are still clueless if you don't think this coaching staff is a huge problem. I thought everyone would figure it out after last night at the very least.
Exactly lol
Did Rick Neilsen suddenly become a bad coach this past summer? Because it's totally his fault as long as you ignore what he's done the past few years in other places. Or...you could see that the players he's working with just aren't very good. I don't think the coaches are totally blameless, but the fact is that coaching only goes so far when the players aren't good enough.
Allen is the best QB in the league against man coverage and he Nielsen continued to run man defense all night. The great coaches make adjustments when something isn't working. 3 of our top 4 corners are out and they aren't good enough to run man every play against Josh Allen who is a man defense. Allen has proven you can't run man defense against him and Nielsen doesn't know how to adjust. Just like Press and Doug don't k ow how to adjust if something isn't working. All coaches need to be fired at the end of the season unless they prove they can adjust amd start winning football games.
(09-24-2024, 11:24 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2024, 09:29 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]That would be wonderful. I'm hopeful that Harrison can be salvaged and Morse can play at par for one more year while we get someone else ready. I do think that Little and Tugboat should already be in at left tackle and right guard to see if they can be longer term answers there. If we can go Harrison, Cleveland, Morse, Tugboat, Walker next season that gives the rookies some time to get up to speed and then I'd like to see them push Cleveland and Morse out by the end of the year. Cleveland's contract is favorable to cut him after next season and Morse is only a two year deal, so it's advantageous to have them start for 2025 then fade out.
Did Rick Neilsen suddenly become a bad coach this past summer? Because it's totally his fault as long as you ignore what he's done the past few years in other places. Or...you could see that the players he's working with just aren't very good. I don't think the coaches are totally blameless, but the fact is that coaching only goes so far when the players aren't good enough.
Allen is the best QB in the league against man coverage and he Nielsen continued to run man defense all night. The great coaches make adjustments when something isn't working. 3 of our top 4 corners are out and they aren't good enough to run man every play against Josh Allen who is a man defense. Allen has proven you can't run man defense against him and Nielsen doesn't know how to adjust. Just like Press and Doug don't k ow how to adjust if something isn't working. All coaches need to be fired at the end of the season unless they prove they can adjust amd start winning football games.
Weird, at one point they flashed a graphic that Allen was like 8 of 9 for 125 and a TD against zone coverage in the first half. I was surprised to see that many listed which is why I remember it, but I also can't find any stats to back it up yet. Having said that, perhaps you just see what you want to see rather than what's out there.
I keep hearing the coaches and players saying it's on them to fix things
Show me.
(09-24-2024, 12:14 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]We'll win this game. We're fixing to go on a 14 game winning streak yall.
https://youtu.be/7tcutmdnFvk?si=vlX_wmQ3-mfb-pVf
Miracles happen I guess? I mean for years the Texans would come in and beat us when we were the better team and needed one win to lock in playoffs. Maybe it’s our turn who knows
(09-24-2024, 09:05 AM)H8tank Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think stroud is all that, and I think the Jags win Sunday.
I think Stroud might change your mind on Sunday.
(09-24-2024, 12:50 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ] (09-24-2024, 09:05 AM)H8tank Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think stroud is all that, and I think the Jags win Sunday.
I think Stroud might change your mind on Sunday.
Opinions shouldn't be changed by ones play against the Jags.
Stroud bout to tear that man to man up. We ain’t blitzing at the right moments, disguising at the right moments, can’t get home with 4, no picks, no ff,
The offense can’t pick up blitzes, no rhythm, no screens, qb is falling out the pocket for no reason, giving up sacks, dropping footballs,
Special teams missing tackles
Well, Since the Jags sure didn't play last night they should be well rested for the game this week. Oh we are being fair this week strike that ...
