(10-11-2024, 04:31 AM)Holger Wrote: [ -> ]To trade for Ridley in the first play was the bigger mistake though
Debatable. His departure may contribute to a comp pick next year as well. It's easy to second guess bringing him in when last season ended as it did, but that's not really a fair way to evaluate it. We definitely needed him last year especially after Kirk went down and with Zay being in and out of the lineup (mostly out) all season.
(10-11-2024, 08:16 AM)HardcoreMoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]We could have signed Ridley and still taken both and not have added Gabe Davis. Either way we are ok.
I'd rather have applied Ridley's cut-savings to another starting lineman. Instead, Baalke used it on Davis, who is extraneous in this offense. Hindsight is 20/20, but it'd be cool if he traded some combo of Cam Robinson, Kirk, Davis, RRH, or even Scherff for Scherff's much younger, more capable replacement by the trade deadline.
Davis has been underwhelming thus far. As much [BLEEP] as we gave Trevor for his missed throws in Houston. Davis had one hit him in the face that he dropped out there as well I believe. Then you add in the nonsense and the spat he got into with Lawrence to follow that up with making a big play turned into a fumble?
No thanks. I want them to draft another receiver already next April. I like McMillan out of Arizona, Harris out of Ole' Miss and Restrepo out of Miami. See a lot of good things out of them between last year and this year. All of them would be potential upgrades to this roster.
(10-11-2024, 09:14 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-11-2024, 09:10 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]What is one thing Davis does even above average?
He's slow, he has bad hands, and he's a very poor route runner.
It's only been 5 games but I would try and package Davis and a 5th rounder for Jakobi Meyers.
He's a deep jump ball guy, that's it...he's a power forward of a wide receiver.
So how many deep jump balls has he won? And the Redzone play where he let the ball hit him in the facemask?
He's not good. His best quality might be run blocking but that isn't a major quality for me. The Jags brought him in here to make plays and so far, he has done nothing.
(10-11-2024, 09:50 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-11-2024, 09:10 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]What is one thing Davis does even above average?
He's slow, he has bad hands, and he's a very poor route runner.
It's only been 5 games but I would try and package Davis and a 5th rounder for Jakobi Meyers.
Your takes on WRs have been the worst this board has seen the last 10 years or so. You thought Zay Jones was trash, you wanted us to draft Sky Moore in the 2nd etc. Dude can't even do [BLEEP] with Patrick Mahomes in that Chiefs offense.
So I've had misses like every single other person on the planet? The Chiefs loved Skyy Moore so much they drafted him in the second round so I guess Veech is trash?
Stop pretending like you're some messiah when it comes to talent evaluation because no take on this board is worse than yours with Tebow.......
(10-11-2024, 09:44 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-11-2024, 08:59 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I just don't see Davis as anything even remotely special. When Zay and Krk came here they were leaving bad QB situations and TLaw helped them have career years. Davis left Josh Allen and the best he could pull was 40 catches a year on average. I just don't see a ton of upside with him and BTj is already better at the one thing Davis does than he is. Ridley would be even better this year with BTj on the other side, it would put him in the 2/Slot role that's more suitable for his technical game and athleticism.
And yeah, I hope the line isn't a mirage. We'll know by lunchtime Sunday but I'm going to start drinking early just in case.
What teams 4th receiving option is special? He wasn't brought here to be a high volume receiving option. He was brought here to give Trevor another deep threat, redzone target, and reliable veteran that can score. I'm not to concerned about Davis, I think they start to build chemistry soon.
Disagree, Baalke brought him in to be the replacement for the Ridley/Zay combo in either the 1 or 2 spot depending on how you view Kirk. At the time there was no BTj so it's not reasonable to say he was expecting Davis to be any lower than 2 on the WR depth chart. Now that BTj is here it's still Davis who is the other outside receiver. I'm not concerned about Davis, I just have no expectations because he's just a guy; a 40 catch a year guy who disappears for long stretches of games.
(10-11-2024, 12:40 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (10-11-2024, 09:14 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]He's a deep jump ball guy, that's it...he's a power forward of a wide receiver.
So how many deep jump balls has he won? And the Redzone play where he let the ball hit him in the facemask?
He's not good. His best quality might be run blocking but that isn't a major quality for me. The Jags brought him in here to make plays and so far, he has done nothing.
(10-11-2024, 09:50 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Your takes on WRs have been the worst this board has seen the last 10 years or so. You thought Zay Jones was trash, you wanted us to draft Sky Moore in the 2nd etc. Dude can't even do [BLEEP] with Patrick Mahomes in that Chiefs offense.
So I've had misses like every single other person on the planet? The Chiefs loved Skyy Moore so much they drafted him in the second round so I guess Veech is trash?
Stop pretending like you're some messiah when it comes to talent evaluation because no take on this board is worse than yours with Tebow.......
I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just pointing out what his skillset is supposed to be based on how he played in Buffalo. I wouldn't have signed him as I think he's a pedestrian guy you could find in the draft on day 2 or in second wave free agency; I would've spent the money on a deal for Ridley, but that wasn't in the cards. Baalke likely thought he was the second coming of Zay Jones for us, I think he's more the second coming of Jarret Dillard.
(10-11-2024, 02:52 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-11-2024, 12:40 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]So how many deep jump balls has he won? And the Redzone play where he let the ball hit him in the facemask?
He's not good. His best quality might be run blocking but that isn't a major quality for me. The Jags brought him in here to make plays and so far, he has done nothing.
So I've had misses like every single other person on the planet? The Chiefs loved Skyy Moore so much they drafted him in the second round so I guess Veech is trash?
Stop pretending like you're some messiah when it comes to talent evaluation because no take on this board is worse than yours with Tebow.......
I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just pointing out what his skillset is supposed to be based on how he played in Buffalo. I wouldn't have signed him as I think he's a pedestrian guy you could find in the draft on day 2 or in second wave free agency; I would've spent the money on a deal for Ridley, but that wasn't in the cards. Baalke likely thought he was the second coming of Zay Jones for us, I think he's more the second coming of Jarret Dillard.
Agreed. I think you give it two more games across the pond for him to show some signs of life, if he fails? It's time to start considering other alternatives. Whether that's cutting back on him out there personnel wise while introducing more Strange and Engram as a collective out there, or, using Etienne and Bigsby as a collective out there, we need more out of the WR group.
Give Washington his spot in the offense. Maybe call Cooks back up onto the active roster. See if he wants to try and break free again. So far Davis has been a big letdown and there's no real good excuse for it.
(10-11-2024, 09:38 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-11-2024, 09:14 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]He's a deep jump ball guy, that's it...he's a power forward of a wide receiver.
This, he's good in the redzone as well. He's our 4th option. Most teams don't have a 4th option that's better than Davis
Miss me with that he's good in the redzone [BLEEP]... Dude has already had at least 2 huge chances in the endzone and [BLEEP] his pants both times.
First time he kept running/didn't look and stop on his route which would have been an easy TD if he just stopped where he should have.
The 2nd he let a pass bounce off of his face mask that should have been another TD.
Davis has been a huge disappointment for the contract he signed for. He hasn't did jack [BLEEP] and when he finally did make a play, he fumbled... Thankfully Travon Walker was able to strip sack Flacco and get the ball back for us right after that.
I haven't seen Davis power forward his way into a contested catch yet. If it's not a busted coverage in his favor, he hasn't caught [BLEEP]. Any CB within an arms length Davis isn't catching it. Hes got baby weak hands.
Give me Zay Jones over Gabe Davis every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
(10-11-2024, 05:55 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (10-11-2024, 04:31 AM)Holger Wrote: [ -> ]To trade for Ridley in the first play was the bigger mistake though
Disagree. He provided solid production and drew in more PI flags than anybody else if I am not mistaken for this offense. For somebody that had been out of football for roughly two seasons I thought he caught on well.
He had a few miscommunication flubs and some drops that could have made the difference in being 9 - 8 or 10 - 7 and just making it into the play-off's for the second year in a row as AFC South Champions.
The situation up there is also different. New head coach, new system, no QB really. Ridley was overpaid, for sure, however, his lack of production doesn't fall squarely on him. The Falcons took Braelen Trice, EDGE from Washington with the 74th overall selection. I don't think he's added anything to the stat sheet for them yet.
We maybe could have added an OL there if needed. It is what it is.
Bingo you are spot on brother.
Ridley and Lawrence led the league in DPI penalties (not just this team). It was at least, easily another 250+ yards in DPI that could be possibly added on. Ridley is a good player, he had his drops and costed us, but he's still a good player. For that price, nope he's not that good.
Bralen Trice tore his ACL in the preseason, of course he hasn't added anything to the stat sheet yet.
(10-11-2024, 02:46 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-11-2024, 09:44 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]What teams 4th receiving option is special? He wasn't brought here to be a high volume receiving option. He was brought here to give Trevor another deep threat, redzone target, and reliable veteran that can score. I'm not to concerned about Davis, I think they start to build chemistry soon.
Disagree, Baalke brought him in to be the replacement for the Ridley/Zay combo in either the 1 or 2 spot depending on how you view Kirk. At the time there was no BTj so it's not reasonable to say he was expecting Davis to be any lower than 2 on the WR depth chart. Now that BTj is here it's still Davis who is the other outside receiver. I'm not concerned about Davis, I just have no expectations because he's just a guy; a 40 catch a year guy who disappears for long stretches of games.
There was no BTJ but they were still trying to resign Ridley. They knew if they didnt get Ridley they were getting a WR early. He was never brought here to be a high volume guy, he was brought here to make some big catches down field and score TDs. Hopefully he can go this week.
(10-12-2024, 04:28 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-11-2024, 09:38 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]This, he's good in the redzone as well. He's our 4th option. Most teams don't have a 4th option that's better than Davis
Miss me with that he's good in the redzone [BLEEP]... Dude has already had at least 2 huge chances in the endzone and [BLEEP] his pants both times.
First time he kept running/didn't look and stop on his route which would have been an easy TD if he just stopped where he should have.
The 2nd he let a pass bounce off of his face mask that should have been another TD.
Davis has been a huge disappointment for the contract he signed for. He hasn't did jack [BLEEP] and when he finally did make a play, he fumbled... Thankfully Travon Walker was able to strip sack Flacco and get the ball back for us right after that.
I haven't seen Davis power forward his way into a contested catch yet. If it's not a busted coverage in his favor, he hasn't caught [BLEEP]. Any CB within an arms length Davis isn't catching it. Hes got baby weak hands.
Give me Zay Jones over Gabe Davis every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Yes he has been a huge disappointment so far, i never said he hasnt been. Armstead has been as well along with most players on this team. Trevor has been bad outside of last week, Cisco has been horrible, Kirk has been bad although looked bettter last week, the first 3 games the oline was horrible, could go on and on about the players who havent been good on this team.
Davis is one of many who hasnt looked good this year. You posted some false statements about the only reason he was good in Buf. is because of Allen extending plays and his scramble ability yet there was a highlight video more than 6 min long with only 2 of his catches that were from Allen buying time with his legs, it sounded good util you went back and watched the tape. Id put Zay and Davis about the same level but both are 2 different type of WRs, Jones doesnt have close to the big play ability of Davis yet Jones is better at creating seperation and woring the short to mid part of the field.
(10-11-2024, 12:40 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (10-11-2024, 09:14 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]He's a deep jump ball guy, that's it...he's a power forward of a wide receiver.
So how many deep jump balls has he won? And the Redzone play where he let the ball hit him in the facemask?
He's not good. His best quality might be run blocking but that isn't a major quality for me. The Jags brought him in here to make plays and so far, he has done nothing.
(10-11-2024, 09:50 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Your takes on WRs have been the worst this board has seen the last 10 years or so. You thought Zay Jones was trash, you wanted us to draft Sky Moore in the 2nd etc. Dude can't even do [BLEEP] with Patrick Mahomes in that Chiefs offense.
So I've had misses like every single other person on the planet? The Chiefs loved Skyy Moore so much they drafted him in the second round so I guess Veech is trash?
Stop pretending like you're some messiah when it comes to talent evaluation because no take on this board is worse than yours with Tebow.......
Everyone misses you just miss more than everyone else especially at WR. You thought DK Metcalf was trash coming out. Your takes on WRs have been horrendous over the years and thats probably your worst position when trying to evaluate talent. As far as Tebow he still has a winning record as a QB.
(10-11-2024, 04:47 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (10-11-2024, 02:52 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just pointing out what his skillset is supposed to be based on how he played in Buffalo. I wouldn't have signed him as I think he's a pedestrian guy you could find in the draft on day 2 or in second wave free agency; I would've spent the money on a deal for Ridley, but that wasn't in the cards. Baalke likely thought he was the second coming of Zay Jones for us, I think he's more the second coming of Jarret Dillard.
Agreed. I think you give it two more games across the pond for him to show some signs of life, if he fails? It's time to start considering other alternatives. Whether that's cutting back on him out there personnel wise while introducing more Strange and Engram as a collective out there, or, using Etienne and Bigsby as a collective out there, we need more out of the WR group.
Give Washington his spot in the offense. Maybe call Cooks back up onto the active roster. See if he wants to try and break free again. So far Davis has been a big letdown and there's no real good excuse for it.
They should do that regardless if Davis starts making some plays or not. I think we are using Davis wrong. Davis has had a few drops but Trevor has also missed him a few times this year and he has been open a few times where Trev didnt see him. We def. need to start using more 2 TE sets when Engram comes back though. They wanted to do that more last year but Strange just wasnt good and he was a liability out there. Not only has Strange improved in the passing game but he looks much better this year as a blocker and starting to be that blocker that they wanted from him when drafted. With the emergence of Bigsby, that 2 TE set could help this run game and have the defense on their heels. I cant wait to see these 2 TE sets. Im proud as hell of Strange and the way he has looked this year. I was one of his biggest critics and like most hated the pick but if he continues to improve Doug was on to something when they scouted him. Harrison has played better these last 2 weeks as well so last year class is starting to look really good if they keep it up.
(10-12-2024, 10:31 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-11-2024, 04:47 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed. I think you give it two more games across the pond for him to show some signs of life, if he fails? It's time to start considering other alternatives. Whether that's cutting back on him out there personnel wise while introducing more Strange and Engram as a collective out there, or, using Etienne and Bigsby as a collective out there, we need more out of the WR group.
Give Washington his spot in the offense. Maybe call Cooks back up onto the active roster. See if he wants to try and break free again. So far Davis has been a big letdown and there's no real good excuse for it.
They should do that regardless if Davis starts making some plays or not. I think we are using Davis wrong. Davis has had a few drops but Trevor has also missed him a few times this year and he has been open a few times where Trev didnt see him. We def. need to start using more 2 TE sets when Engram comes back though. They wanted to do that more last year but Strange just wasnt good and he was a liability out there. Not only has Strange improved in the passing game but he looks much better this year as a blocker and starting to be that blocker that they wanted from him when drafted. With the emergence of Bigsby, that 2 TE set could help this run game and have the defense on their heels. I cant wait to see these 2 TE sets. Im proud as hell of Strange and the way he has looked this year. I was one of his biggest critics and like most hated the pick but if he continues to improve Doug was on to something when they scouted him. Harrison has played better these last 2 weeks as well so last year class is starting to look really good if they keep it up.
So I guess you've reversed course on your offseason narrative that Engram is #1 and Farrell is #2
I told you Strange would get the look but you insisted it would be Farrell
(10-12-2024, 10:37 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2024, 10:31 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]They should do that regardless if Davis starts making some plays or not. I think we are using Davis wrong. Davis has had a few drops but Trevor has also missed him a few times this year and he has been open a few times where Trev didnt see him. We def. need to start using more 2 TE sets when Engram comes back though. They wanted to do that more last year but Strange just wasnt good and he was a liability out there. Not only has Strange improved in the passing game but he looks much better this year as a blocker and starting to be that blocker that they wanted from him when drafted. With the emergence of Bigsby, that 2 TE set could help this run game and have the defense on their heels. I cant wait to see these 2 TE sets. Im proud as hell of Strange and the way he has looked this year. I was one of his biggest critics and like most hated the pick but if he continues to improve Doug was on to something when they scouted him. Harrison has played better these last 2 weeks as well so last year class is starting to look really good if they keep it up.
So I guess you've reversed course on your offseason narrative that Engram is #1 and Farrell is #2
I told you Strange would get the look but you insisted it would be Farrell
Farrell was number 2 in the offseason but not anymore. If Strange played like he did last year he would still 3rd but he has improved more than anyone on this roster imo and has moved up on the depth chart. Bigsby has improved a good bit as well but he was good last year he just got put in the dog house for the fumbles and a few mistakes. Play well and you earn more playing time and work your way up.
(10-12-2024, 10:42 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2024, 10:37 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]So I guess you've reversed course on your offseason narrative that Engram is #1 and Farrell is #2
I told you Strange would get the look but you insisted it would be Farrell
Farrell was number 2 in the offseason but not anymore. If Strange played like he did last year he would still 3rd but he has improved more than anyone on this roster imo and has moved up on the depth chart. Bigsby has improved a good bit as well but he was good last year he just got put in the dog house for the fumbles and a few mistakes. Play well and you earn more playing time and work your way up.
Strange was #2 from the get - you were just being silly
Anyway - on topic - Baalke/Pederson were very wise to let someone else overpay for Ridley and the fact they landed such a dynamic player in Thomas while trading down for him just ices the cake
(10-12-2024, 10:47 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2024, 10:42 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Farrell was number 2 in the offseason but not anymore. If Strange played like he did last year he would still 3rd but he has improved more than anyone on this roster imo and has moved up on the depth chart. Bigsby has improved a good bit as well but he was good last year he just got put in the dog house for the fumbles and a few mistakes. Play well and you earn more playing time and work your way up.
Strange was #2 from the get - you were just being silly
Anyway - on topic - Baalke/Pederson were very wise to let someone else overpay for Ridley and the fact they landed such a dynamic player in Thomas while trading down for him just ices the cake
But then he couldn't help himself after not wasting money on Ridley and gave some to Davis. 2 steps forward 1 step back. Just take 2 steps and end it.
Thanks, Baalke.