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You have to wonder how it would have turned out if Byron came in to coach. Probably worse, but after the way this team started out, you can't help but ponder.

(10-13-2024, 07:39 PM)Jagulars Wrote: [ -> ]You have to wonder how it would have turned out if Byron came in to coach. Probably worse, but after the way this team started out, you can't help but ponder.

Lefty was my first choice.  But I was happy that Doug was hired.  

But yeah, it's obvious that at least a young Byron might have sustained success longer that the bum we currently have as HC.

You know the situation is dire - with everything falling apart at every level of this team.

When a player explicitly states that the team "quit", its BAD.

Changes have to be made very quickly from Shad, otherwise this putrid aura of failure lingering only exacerbates this issue. Wouldn't surprise me if there is currently a massive divide between players and coaches - and players with other players in this organization...

If the team has quit, will we see another instance of the players get into a police dispute over another London bill they didn't pay?

(10-13-2024, 08:00 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]If the team has quit, will we see another instance of the players get into a police dispute over another London bill they didn't pay?

Well if they have quit and things are getting fractured behind the scenes, a week in a hotel in a foreign country will either make them or break them.

Could be the best or worst thing to happen.

(10-13-2024, 08:06 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-13-2024, 08:00 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]If the team has quit, will we see another instance of the players get into a police dispute over another London bill they didn't pay?

Well if they have quit and things are getting fractured behind the scenes, a week in a hotel in a foreign country will either make them or break them.

Could be the best or worst thing to happen.

If we had a real HC, maybe things would turn around.  Doug relinquished responsibility last season.  There's no miraculous turn around unless the HC gets some fire in his belly.  But it's clear he's washed.

Dude was crying on the sidelines!!!!  I mean, come on.  It's over.  Cisco called it right.  It's over.  The team quit.  I blame it on the coaches.

(10-13-2024, 06:16 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-13-2024, 05:29 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.jacksonville.com/story/sport...190120001/

And?  Yes Urbs was Shad’s guy. And if memory serves me correct Balke had an in with him.  I’ll not claim my memory is infallible but I recall a tie between the Balke and Meyer to assist in Kahn getting Urbs.  So again, both can be true.

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(10-13-2024, 05:46 PM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]Cisco has really regressed this year.   But so has most of the defense.  The most logical reason is that it's the scheme.  Neilsen is not playing to the strengths of the players and it's showing.  Absolutely horrible hire as the D coordinator.

Agreed.  Neither the offense nor the defense plays to the strength of the personnel.  There is talent on this team, it is just not being utilized.

I remember the same.  Baalke had a previous relationship with Meyer and reports at the time were that Baalke was pushing for Meyer.  I think it's also true that Khan was infatuated with Meyer, but I agree with you.  Two things can be true.

The thing that has bothered me most about the Jaguars over a lot of years is they just didn't look like they wanted to play football.

A lot of guys jogging and hoping the opponent would just run out of bounds.

What I want is the kind of attitude the Ravens and Steelers players show: every play ends with the other team having to get up after being hit as hard as possible.

I'm not sure why the Jaguars have been so soft for so long, but they have never been able to shake it. Even in the years when they were good they got whipped in the toughness department. Remember the 49er [BLEEP] whooping the 2017 Jags took? How about the the whoopings by the titans in 99? Jaguars keep losing because other teams show they're tougher.

(10-13-2024, 09:39 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]The thing that has bothered me most about the Jaguars over a lot of years is they just didn't look like they wanted to play football.

A lot of guys jogging and hoping the opponent would just run out of bounds.

What I want is the kind of attitude the Ravens and Steelers players show: every play ends with the other team having to get up after being hit as hard as possible.

I'm not sure why the Jaguars have been so soft for so long, but they have never been able to shake it. Even in the years when they were good they got whipped in the toughness department. Remember the 49er [BLEEP] whooping the 2017 Jags took? How about the the whoopings by the titans in 99? Jaguars keep losing because other teams show they're tougher.

I'm sure that's the GM's fault.

If only our GM could inspire these players.

(10-13-2024, 09:55 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-13-2024, 09:39 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]The thing that has bothered me most about the Jaguars over a lot of years is they just didn't look like they wanted to play football.

A lot of guys jogging and hoping the opponent would just run out of bounds.

What I want is the kind of attitude the Ravens and Steelers players show: every play ends with the other team having to get up after being hit as hard as possible.

I'm not sure why the Jaguars have been so soft for so long, but they have never been able to shake it. Even in the years when they were good they got whipped in the toughness department. Remember the 49er [BLEEP] whooping the 2017 Jags took? How about the the whoopings by the titans in 99? Jaguars keep losing because other teams show they're tougher.

I'm sure that's the GM's fault.

If only our GM could inspire these players.

Every problem you see begins with the GM.

(10-13-2024, 10:06 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-13-2024, 09:55 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sure that's the GM's fault.

If only our GM could inspire these players.

Every problem you see begins with the GM.

I get that, somewhat. 

But in my opinion the players still need to be developed.  These dudes are still in their 20s.  You have to have a coach (Edit: Not a coach, but a competent coaching staff. But that starts with the HC) that can develop the talent.  

As for our current GM.  He's hit and he's missed.  But at this point, he hired Doug.  So he needs to be the first to go.  Seriously, Baalke needs to go first. Shad needs to empty the front office and get a 3rd Party Team in to begin the recruitment process for a new GM.

(10-13-2024, 10:10 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-13-2024, 10:06 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Every problem you see begins with the GM.

I get that, somewhat. 

But in my opinion the players still need to be developed.  These dudes are still in their 20s.  You have to have a coach (Edit:  Not a coach, but a competent coaching staff.  But that starts with the HC) that can develop the talent.  

As for our current GM.  He's hit and he's missed.  But at this point, he hired Doug.  So he needs to be the first to go.  Seriously, Baalke needs to go first. Shad needs to empty the front office and get a 3rd Party Team in to begin the recruitment process for a new GM.

Clearly you don't get that, it's been clear for two years.

(10-13-2024, 10:10 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-13-2024, 10:06 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Every problem you see begins with the GM.

I get that, somewhat. 

But in my opinion the players still need to be developed.  These dudes are still in their 20s.  You have to have a coach (Edit:  Not a coach, but a competent coaching staff.  But that starts with the HC) that can develop the talent.  

As for our current GM.  He's hit and he's missed.  But at this point, he hired Doug.  So he needs to be the first to go.  Seriously, Baalke needs to go first. Shad needs to empty the front office and get a 3rd Party Team in to begin the recruitment process for a new GM.

This T-wigg video explains it best. Specifically the 2nd half.

https://youtu.be/rIW8ogj8uPc?feature=shared

(10-13-2024, 10:20 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-13-2024, 10:10 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]I get that, somewhat. 

But in my opinion the players still need to be developed.  These dudes are still in their 20s.  You have to have a coach (Edit:  Not a coach, but a competent coaching staff.  But that starts with the HC) that can develop the talent.  

As for our current GM.  He's hit and he's missed.  But at this point, he hired Doug.  So he needs to be the first to go.  Seriously, Baalke needs to go first. Shad needs to empty the front office and get a 3rd Party Team in to begin the recruitment process for a new GM.

Clearly you don't get that, it's been clear for two years.

No offense.  But I think maybe you need to take a step back at this point.  I've told you over and over again that something was wrong with this offense.  And then, after the season, they got rid of the problem, which was the DC.  And yet this offense is still regressed.  All while the Defense looks completely lost.

Clearly you disagree with me.  But I've been saying it since the 2023 season, this team isn't being coached like they were in 2022. 

You're a good guy.  But stop ignoring reality.  The GM is bad.  But this HC and his buddies have absolutely ruined this team and are regressing our QB.

The defensive coordinator needs to be fired at minimum

(10-13-2024, 10:22 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-13-2024, 10:10 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]I get that, somewhat. 

But in my opinion the players still need to be developed.  These dudes are still in their 20s.  You have to have a coach (Edit:  Not a coach, but a competent coaching staff.  But that starts with the HC) that can develop the talent.  

As for our current GM.  He's hit and he's missed.  But at this point, he hired Doug.  So he needs to be the first to go.  Seriously, Baalke needs to go first. Shad needs to empty the front office and get a 3rd Party Team in to begin the recruitment process for a new GM.

This T-wigg video explains it best. Specifically the 2nd half.

https://youtu.be/rIW8ogj8uPc?feature=shared

Towards the end of the video:

Wiggins: "Leadership works like that. When there is disfunction you point to person that COACHES IT, ALLOWS IT, BUILDS IT, and sets THE ATMOSPHERE."

Hmmm.... Sounds like that's a coaching thing... "Builds" is the 1 thing he said that falls on the GM. And yet, if you have a good coaching staff, you develop!!! YOU DEVELOP PLAYERS. We don't develop players. The GM is not responsible for developing players.

Watching Tom McManus on the Duval Rundown and he's saying that he'd stop all the crazy rotations on defense because players can't get into a rhythm. Would stop using Devin Lloyd in coverage because he's out of position and is just jogging around not giving full effort. Also talked about benching guys like Cam Robinson for Walker Little, benching Ronald Darby and starting the young CBs, etc.

Coming from Cisco who misses what 90% of the tackles he attempts every week.

(10-13-2024, 10:28 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-13-2024, 10:20 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Clearly you don't get that, it's been clear for two years.

No offense.  But I think maybe you need to take a step back at this point.  I've told you over and over again that something was wrong with this offense.  And then, after the season, they got rid of the problem, which was the DC.  And yet this offense is still regressed.  All while the Defense looks completely lost.

Clearly you disagree with me.  But I've been saying it since the 2023 season, this team isn't being coached like they were in 2022. 

You're a good guy.  But stop ignoring reality.  The GM is bad.  But this HC and his buddies have absolutely ruined this team and are regressing our QB.

There absolutely IS something wrong with this offense and the team as a whole.

The line can't run block worth a damn against anything more than a middling defense, the receivers periodically forget how to catch and most usually when they are in the end zone or on 3rd down, and the the running back can't keep himself from fumbling the ball when he's not out with a shoulder or rib or torso or hammy. 

In spite of that, the QB is playing decent ball with a broken clock but he then tries to play hero ball because he knows if he doesn't they lose.

On top of that "We need to get bigger and stronger" netted us very little in the weeks and months after it was stated. The center and left guard are better, but the other big men positions we've discussed at length aren't despite free agent signings and draft picks, and we have almost no middle pass rush (again).

On top of that we've had injuries to key players and their back ups just aren't as good (that's the law of football).

On top of that, several players can't run simple plays without holding or procedure penalties.

On top of that we have a guy who's played like dog [BLEEP] barking at the QB on the side line then immediately turning the ball over.

On top of that we have a defensive back who's played like dog [BLEEP] telling the media the other guys quit.

On top of THAT, we have a team that gets no love from the League because they are a jobber franchise to the big markets.

On top of that we have a poster here who thinks his fevered imaginary delusions about a lazy head coach are anything more than bad fan fic so he spams them across multiple threads.

In short, there's a lot wrong and no way to fix the vast majority of it. Fire the coaches all you like, you'll only learn that coaching can only cover up the lack of talent for so long. This is a soft team rostered by soft players who fold like a lawn chair every Sunday in big moments when they have to be tough and physical. Until the guy picking these players is different you'll just keep seeing the same dysfunction over and over again. And it's unlikely that Baalke is going anywhere. I know you want a clean sweep, but that broom doesn't and can't extend to the roster, and that's where the problems are.

I didn’t think Darby would be this bad. Lloyd is lost. Cisco can’t cover this year and is messing up on tackles. I don’t like the offensive play calling a lot of the time. Jags can’t get there with only four down Line men rushing yet we never blitz linebackers. I don’t understand. I see other teams messing up our offense by blitzing line backers and even corner backs at times. This team needs a better scheme on defense. Switching from a 3-4 to a 4-3 has been a disaster. Coaches make zero adjustments during the game and even at halftime. I could go on but that just for starters.