(11-07-2024, 10:52 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (11-07-2024, 10:11 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]I just hope he doesn't wait too long. He needs to hire someone asap to start vetting potential hires and finding the right fits. Otherwise he will take too long to find a GM and miss out on a coach or hire a coach first and end up in the same situation as now.
Jags need an EVP now. I don't care what title you give them so Baalke doesn't complain to the league again. Just have them there now, figuring out who to fire in the building (outside of coaching and gm), setting up proper structure, and vetting gm and coaching hires.
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Tony Boselli is the perfect ambassador for what happens next.
I totally agree with what your saying. I just think that you need an EVP that has passion for the city and the franchise. There is no other person that could do it besides Tony. Maybe David Garrard? But I don't think David has the make up for what an EVP needs to be successful.. Boselli does. He's the perfect spokesman for this franchise.
(11-08-2024, 12:42 AM)icey14 Wrote: [ -> ]What about Bucky Brooks he seems to have alot of insight on Jaguars and football as a whole
I worry that both Brooks and Boselli lean hard into their analysis with the presumption of Jimmies over Joes. As in players have to step up and go out perform the other team, and stars are all that matters. While that is definitely a component of a winning franchise and you need some star players who play like stars. I think the league has dramatically leveled up scheme-wise since they were in the league to where you need force multipliers in the FO and coaching staff. You cannot win consistently with just okay to good coaches and GM's because you cannot always guarantee having a talent advantage.
For example, Boselli basically calls every OL coach good/great. That obviously cannot be the case. Bucky normally just keeps calling out the players in his podcast. It is definitely a bias from being players in the league.
I think either could be could be good assets as special advisors, but neither should have a large role as EVP. If either wanted to start being a lower role in the FO and work their way up, sure. But I doubt neither would do that.
(11-09-2024, 10:34 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-07-2024, 10:52 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Tony Boselli is the perfect ambassador for what happens next.
I totally agree with what your saying. I just think that you need an EVP that has passion for the city and the franchise. There is no other person that could do it besides Tony. Maybe David Garrard? But I don't think David has the make up for what an EVP needs to be successful.. Boselli does. He's the perfect spokesman for this franchise.
(11-08-2024, 12:42 AM)icey14 Wrote: [ -> ]What about Bucky Brooks he seems to have alot of insight on Jaguars and football as a whole
I worry that both Brooks and Boselli lean hard into their analysis with the presumption of Jimmies over Joes. As in players have to step up and go out perform the other team, and stars are all that matters. While that is definitely a component of a winning franchise and you need some star players who play like stars. I think the league has dramatically leveled up scheme-wise since they were in the league to where you need force multipliers in the FO and coaching staff. You cannot win consistently with just okay to good coaches and GM's because you cannot always guarantee having a talent advantage.
For example, Boselli basically calls every OL coach good/great. That obviously cannot be the case. Bucky normally just keeps calling out the players in his podcast. It is definitely a bias from being players in the league.
I think either could be could be good assets as special advisors, but neither should have a large role as EVP. If either wanted to start being a lower role in the FO and work their way up, sure. But I doubt neither would do that.
I cannot believe a HOF football player with his name in the ring of honor and progressing in the media ranks would want to take the chance. There is a reward if successful, but is it enough to risk everything?
(11-10-2024, 01:53 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-09-2024, 10:34 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]I worry that both Brooks and Boselli lean hard into their analysis with the presumption of Jimmies over Joes. As in players have to step up and go out perform the other team, and stars are all that matters. While that is definitely a component of a winning franchise and you need some star players who play like stars. I think the league has dramatically leveled up scheme-wise since they were in the league to where you need force multipliers in the FO and coaching staff. You cannot win consistently with just okay to good coaches and GM's because you cannot always guarantee having a talent advantage.
For example, Boselli basically calls every OL coach good/great. That obviously cannot be the case. Bucky normally just keeps calling out the players in his podcast. It is definitely a bias from being players in the league.
I think either could be could be good assets as special advisors, but neither should have a large role as EVP. If either wanted to start being a lower role in the FO and work their way up, sure. But I doubt neither would do that.
I cannot believe a HOF football player with his name in the ring of honor and progressing in the media ranks would want to take the chance. There is a reward if successful, but is it enough to risk everything?
I agree. Plus he still has kids at home. I don't think he wants to disrupt his current work/life balance by taking on such a busy job. Would love if he could get better Westwood One national time slots to get more noticed on the national scene. Feels like he is taking fewer of them this year.
(11-10-2024, 02:20 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-10-2024, 01:53 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]I cannot believe a HOF football player with his name in the ring of honor and progressing in the media ranks would want to take the chance. There is a reward if successful, but is it enough to risk everything?
I agree. Plus he still has kids at home. I don't think he wants to disrupt his current work/life balance by taking on such a busy job. Would love if he could get better Westwood One national time slots to get more noticed on the national scene. Feels like he is taking fewer of them this year.
Generational wealth could fix that...
Boselli is gonna command multi-million dollars per year. And he's already pretty well off. I'd rather give Boselli 10 million over 5 years to try and fix things That's just 2 million per year. 2 mil per year is on the lower spectrum of what an executive VP/GM would get per year....
We'd be getting a smart football mind on a discount.
(11-10-2024, 07:27 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (11-10-2024, 02:20 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]I agree. Plus he still has kids at home. I don't think he wants to disrupt his current work/life balance by taking on such a busy job. Would love if he could get better Westwood One national time slots to get more noticed on the national scene. Feels like he is taking fewer of them this year.
Generational wealth could fix that...
Boselli is gonna command multi-million dollars per year. And he's already pretty well off. I'd rather give Boselli 10 million over 5 years to try and fix things That's just 2 million per year. 2 mil per year is on the lower spectrum of what an executive VP/GM would get per year....
We'd be getting a smart football mind on a discount.
Boselli was Gus Bradley’s biggest cheerleader and was against his firing. That alone should disqualify him from having ANY FO job with the Jaguars.
(11-10-2024, 09:49 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ] (11-10-2024, 07:27 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Generational wealth could fix that...
Boselli is gonna command multi-million dollars per year. And he's already pretty well off. I'd rather give Boselli 10 million over 5 years to try and fix things That's just 2 million per year. 2 mil per year is on the lower spectrum of what an executive VP/GM would get per year....
We'd be getting a smart football mind on a discount.
Boselli was Gus Bradley’s biggest cheerleader and was against his firing. That alone should disqualify him from having ANY FO job with the Jaguars.
Boselli has been the voice of the Jaguar Franchise for several years. The fact that he's started calling out the ineptitude should tell you something.
You should listen to what he's been saying this entire season. He's not happy with what he's watching.
(11-10-2024, 10:07 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (11-10-2024, 09:49 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ]Boselli was Gus Bradley’s biggest cheerleader and was against his firing. That alone should disqualify him from having ANY FO job with the Jaguars.
Boselli has been the voice of the Jaguar Franchise for several years. The fact that he's started calling out the ineptitude should tell you something.
You should listen to what he's been saying this entire season. He's not happy with what he's watching.
So, after all of these years he’s finally starting to see things that the fans have been screaming about season after season? That don’t qualify him for [BLEEP]. If he wants a job with the Jags let’s start him out as the Oline coach since that’s actually something he’s knows.
(11-10-2024, 10:11 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ] (11-10-2024, 10:07 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Boselli has been the voice of the Jaguar Franchise for several years. The fact that he's started calling out the ineptitude should tell you something.
You should listen to what he's been saying this entire season. He's not happy with what he's watching.
So, after all of these years he’s finally starting to see things that the fans have been screaming about season after season? That don’t qualify him for [BLEEP]. If he wants a job with the Jags let’s start him out as the Oline coach since that’s actually something he’s knows.
In fairness, Boselli is better than Carp.
(11-10-2024, 10:12 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-10-2024, 10:11 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ]So, after all of these years he’s finally starting to see things that the fans have been screaming about season after season? That don’t qualify him for [BLEEP]. If he wants a job with the Jags let’s start him out as the Oline coach since that’s actually something he’s knows.
In fairness, Boselli is better than Carp.
He’s probably better than Phil Rauscher too
(11-10-2024, 10:19 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ] (11-10-2024, 10:12 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]In fairness, Boselli is better than Carp.
He’s probably better than Phil Rauscher too
I'm not qualified to comment on Rauscher's abilities, but I know he's constantly having to patch together an NFL quality unit.
(11-10-2024, 10:23 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-10-2024, 10:19 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ]He’s probably better than Phil Rauscher too
I'm not qualified to comment on Rauscher's abilities, but I know he's constantly having to patch together an NFL quality unit.
Every Oline coach in the league has to do that though. There’s been way too many times this year there’s been communication issues leading to sacks and QB hits. There was one this game between Harrison and Bigsby that lead to the first sack. That’s on coaching.
(11-10-2024, 10:28 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ] (11-10-2024, 10:23 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not qualified to comment on Rauscher's abilities, but I know he's constantly having to patch together an NFL quality unit.
Every Oline coach in the league has to do that though. There’s been way too many times this year there’s been communication issues leading to sacks and QB hits. There was one this game between Harrison and Bigsby that lead to the first sack. That’s on coaching.
I think blaming coaching is a cop out. Always. Players need to make plays, if they don't it's on them. I'm not from the Madden Generation where people think that pushing the right button is the difference between winning and losing, players have to make plays, regardless of what the coach said 30 seconds ago.
Mike Borgonzi or John Dorsey
(11-10-2024, 10:31 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-10-2024, 10:28 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ]Every Oline coach in the league has to do that though. There’s been way too many times this year there’s been communication issues leading to sacks and QB hits. There was one this game between Harrison and Bigsby that lead to the first sack. That’s on coaching.
I think blaming coaching is a cop out. Always. Players need to make plays, if they don't it's on them. I'm not from the Madden Generation where people think that pushing the right button is the difference between winning and losing, players have to make plays, regardless of what the coach said 30 seconds ago.
So, Urban wasn’t the reason we were losing all of those games when he was the coach? Think we should have kept him around?
(11-10-2024, 10:34 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ] (11-10-2024, 10:31 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I think blaming coaching is a cop out. Always. Players need to make plays, if they don't it's on them. I'm not from the Madden Generation where people think that pushing the right button is the difference between winning and losing, players have to make plays, regardless of what the coach said 30 seconds ago.
So, Urban wasn’t the reason we were losing all of those games when he was the coach?
Urban made a terrible roster worse because he was an [BLEEP] hole. The talent was commiserate with the product, same as it is now. Urban's team didn't lead the League in drops, does that mean he was a better coach?
(11-10-2024, 10:35 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-10-2024, 10:34 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ]So, Urban wasn’t the reason we were losing all of those games when he was the coach?
Urban made a terrible roster worse because he was an [BLEEP] hole. The talent was commiserate with the product, same as it is now. Urban's team didn't lead the League in drops, does that mean he was a better coach?
No, it means coaching DOES matter. Leadership matters. Having a system that the players buy into matters. There’s been many instances where a coach was able to get more out of their team with lesser talent. To say coaching don’t matter is dumb.
(11-10-2024, 10:34 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ] (11-10-2024, 10:31 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I think blaming coaching is a cop out. Always. Players need to make plays, if they don't it's on them. I'm not from the Madden Generation where people think that pushing the right button is the difference between winning and losing, players have to make plays, regardless of what the coach said 30 seconds ago.
So, Urban wasn’t the reason we were losing all of those games when he was the coach? Think we should have kept him around?
Exactly.
This is the obvious analyis.
Urban Myer regressed Lawrence by 1 year. Cooter corrected Lawrence. And instead of promoting Cooter, Doug [BLEEP] it all up because of his hubris.
(11-10-2024, 10:40 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ] (11-10-2024, 10:35 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Urban made a terrible roster worse because he was an [BLEEP] hole. The talent was commiserate with the product, same as it is now. Urban's team didn't lead the League in drops, does that mean he was a better coach?
No, it means coaching DOES matter. Leadership matters. Having a system that the players buy into matters. There’s been many instances where a coach was able to get more out of their team with lesser talent. To say coaching don’t matter is dumb.
To say coaching is the issue with this team is dumb. The coaching has repeatedly put the roster in position to win close games. The players have repeatedly [BLEEP] up those chances by doing really stupid [BLEEP] to lose games pretty much all year.
(11-10-2024, 10:43 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-10-2024, 10:40 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ]No, it means coaching DOES matter. Leadership matters. Having a system that the players buy into matters. There’s been many instances where a coach was able to get more out of their team with lesser talent. To say coaching don’t matter is dumb.
To say coaching is the issue with this team is dumb. The coaching has repeatedly put the roster in position to win close games. The players have repeatedly [BLEEP] up those chances by doing really stupid [BLEEP] to lose games pretty much all year.
Wait a sec. Why didnt the players put us in position to win close games?
