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(11-12-2024, 02:25 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-12-2024, 02:14 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOL

You are arguing with yourself at this point. 

I never claimed any of that horse [BLEEP] you're trying to straw man with. 

I said ppl like him because he is keeping the team here and he could have done otherwise.
No clue what the hell you're blathering about. 

And he absolutely could have moved the team prior to signing this new lease. 
He still can, it will just cost him a lot more to do it now.

1. Um cool, so he can manage to make horrible decisions yearly and its fine because he is keeping the team here. Do you want me to give him cool points?

2. Like where? Can you list some cities that would make Khan swallower in the pockets than where he has the team currently? If so, please be specific.

How many good owners do you think are in the league? How many good billionaire who are not but want to be NFL owners are available? Unless you want a Dubai oligarch or Saudi Prince to buy the team?

If Khan sells the team, the team is not going to stay in Jax. Guaranteed.

Hate his decisions all you want, but he's the only reason the team is still here.

(11-12-2024, 02:25 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-12-2024, 02:14 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOL

You are arguing with yourself at this point. 

I never claimed any of that horse [BLEEP] you're trying to straw man with. 

I said ppl like him because he is keeping the team here and he could have done otherwise.
No clue what the hell you're blathering about. 

And he absolutely could have moved the team prior to signing this new lease. 
He still can, it will just cost him a lot more to do it now.

1. Um cool, so he can manage to make horrible decisions yearly and its fine because he is keeping the team here. Do you want me to give him cool points?

2. Like where? Can you list some cities that would make Khan swallower in the pockets than where he has the team currently? If so, please be specific.

LOL

You're not very bright. 
Your #1 was already explained to you - before you went full straw man - go refresh yourself so you appear less of a douche-bag. I laid out Khan's mistakes and I'm explaining to you the answer to YOUR OWN stupid question here. I guess you forgot. 

#2 You've got to be kidding me. 
St. Louis is the most obvious  - and then there are 3 lateral moves demographically with better overall tourism infrastructure than Jax, and the new popular talk is Portland OR. 
You just aren't a serious person with this [BLEEP]. 

Time to ignore the troll, folks

(11-12-2024, 06:46 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-12-2024, 02:25 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]1. Um cool, so he can manage to make horrible decisions yearly and its fine because he is keeping the team here. Do you want me to give him cool points?

2. Like where? Can you list some cities that would make Khan swallower in the pockets than where he has the team currently? If so, please be specific.

LOL

You're not very bright. 
Your #1 was already explained to you - before you went full straw man - go refresh yourself so you appear less of a douche-bag. I laid out Khan's mistakes and I'm explaining to you the answer to YOUR OWN stupid question here. I guess you forgot. 

#2 You've got to be kidding me. 
St. Louis is the most obvious  - and then there are 3 lateral moves demographically with better overall tourism infrastructure than Jax, and the new popular talk is Portland OR. 
You just aren't a serious person with this [BLEEP]. 

Time to ignore the troll, folks

Maybe. But they had the greatest show on turf for a good bit of that period when they were selling enough to support the team. Outside of that, they weren't that well supported. It's Cardinals and Blues country there. Worked there for almost all of 2015, and the support for the Rams among my co-workers was good when they were good, but very bad when they were average and below. Of course, ultimately, any NFL owner might have been tempted to move to the LA market.  When they finally did move, my St Louis co-workers didnt seem all that upset by it. They just diverted those disposible sports dollars to the Blues / Cards.  It does make you wonder where demographically the next domestic NFL expansion might occur.

(11-12-2024, 06:46 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-12-2024, 02:25 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]1. Um cool, so he can manage to make horrible decisions yearly and its fine because he is keeping the team here. Do you want me to give him cool points?

2. Like where? Can you list some cities that would make Khan swallower in the pockets than where he has the team currently? If so, please be specific.

St. Louis is the most obvious  - and then there are 3 lateral moves demographically with better overall tourism infrastructure than Jax, 

St Louis isn't even ranked in the top 20 cities of the bolded statement. There's a reason why they lost the team, actually plenty of other reasons. 

The area has been in a downward turn for a long time. It's not a popular opinion but by almost every data driven measure of an area it's true. STL just isn't the place people from here want it to be. From an investment and growth point of view, STL just isn't a good place to invest corporate money.

Quote:and the new popular talk is Portland OR.

Never gonna happen: the taxpayers aren't paying for a stadium that would get used 8 times a year and Providence Park is too small for the NFL's standards. I know this because I've lived there. There's a reason why the only PRO team that exists in Portland is the Trail Blazers.

And, in terms of team loyalty, Portland is very much Seahawks country. The Seahawks are pretty much "The Northwest's" football team- the fans there are concentrated in WA, OR, ID, and MO MT (Montana?) It's not like San Antonio, where fans are either apathetic, or split between (I'd assume) Texans/Cowboys. 

Finally, the biggest problem is money. Any team going to a smaller area is going to need government help and Oregon can't afford it.

If you live in Portland. You drive up and down I-5. What do you see? All of those giant signs with hotels for $29. It's not because they're old and [BLEEP] (they are), it's because of vacancies. When I would drive from Seattle or Vancouver (BC) down to California or back, I always stayed in Oregon because there are tons of hotel rooms available for nothing.

It's really more of a lack of high-end hotel rooms, which again isn't a problem. Hotel vacancies in Oregon are really, really bad. Go into Denny's or McDonald's and get a Hotel/Motel guide and look at Oregon pages and then Washington. It's night and day. Oregon is cheap. Lots of hotels, very cheap.

Quote:and then there are 3 lateral moves demographically with better overall tourism infrastructure than Jax,

Neither one of those cities is better than Jacksonville in terms of corporate money. 

Quote:Time to ignore the troll, folks

If challenging your position makes me a troll than by all means go ahead and attack like a toddler all you want. Doesn't make a difference to me.

Have a good night.

(11-12-2024, 06:46 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-12-2024, 02:25 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]1. Um cool, so he can manage to make horrible decisions yearly and its fine because he is keeping the team here. Do you want me to give him cool points?

2. Like where? Can you list some cities that would make Khan swallower in the pockets than where he has the team currently? If so, please be specific.

LOL

You're not very bright. 
Your #1 was already explained to you - before you went full straw man - go refresh yourself so you appear less of a douche-bag. I laid out Khan's mistakes and I'm explaining to you the answer to YOUR OWN stupid question here. I guess you forgot. 

#2 You've got to be kidding me. 
St. Louis is the most obvious  - and then there are 3 lateral moves demographically with better overall tourism infrastructure than Jax, and the new popular talk is Portland OR. 
You just aren't a serious person with this [BLEEP]. 

Time to ignore the troll, folks

No offense to you all, but I wouldn't mind him doing that since I moved here.

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(11-12-2024, 07:05 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-12-2024, 06:46 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOL

You're not very bright. 
Your #1 was already explained to you - before you went full straw man - go refresh yourself so you appear less of a douche-bag. I laid out Khan's mistakes and I'm explaining to you the answer to YOUR OWN stupid question here. I guess you forgot. 

#2 You've got to be kidding me. 
St. Louis is the most obvious  - and then there are 3 lateral moves demographically with better overall tourism infrastructure than Jax, and the new popular talk is Portland OR. 
You just aren't a serious person with this [BLEEP]. 

Time to ignore the troll, folks

Maybe. But they had the greatest show on turf for a good bit of that period when they were selling enough to support the team. Outside of that, they weren't that well supported. It's Cardinals and Blues country there. Worked there for almost all of 2015, and the support for the Rams among my co-workers was good when they were good, but very bad when they were average and below. Of course, ultimately, any NFL owner might have been tempted to move to the LA market.  When they finally did move, my St Louis co-workers didnt seem all that upset by it. They just diverted those disposible sports dollars to the Blues / Cards.  It does make you wonder where demographically the next domestic NFL expansion might occur.

Outside of the major markets, most attendance is low when the team is [BLEEP].

Even the Cardinals are starting to drop in attendance because of the garbage product they are putting out. Typically, that's how fans let owners know they don't like the direction of the team. It's the owner's responsibility to put out a product worth paying for.

(11-12-2024, 11:41 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-12-2024, 06:46 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]St. Louis is the most obvious  - and then there are 3 lateral moves demographically with better overall tourism infrastructure than Jax, 

St Louis isn't even ranked in the top 20 cities of the bolded statement. There's a reason why they lost the team, actually plenty of other reasons. 

The area has been in a downward turn for a long time. It's not a popular opinion but by almost every data driven measure of an area it's true. STL just isn't the place people from here want it to be. From an investment and growth point of view, STL just isn't a good place to invest corporate money.

Quote:and the new popular talk is Portland OR.

Never gonna happen: the taxpayers aren't paying for a stadium that would get used 8 times a year and Providence Park is too small for the NFL's standards. I know this because I've lived there. There's a reason why the only PRO team that exists in Portland is the Trail Blazers.

And, in terms of team loyalty, Portland is very much Seahawks country. The Seahawks are pretty much "The Northwest's" football team- the fans there are concentrated in WA, OR, ID, and MO MT (Montana?) It's not like San Antonio, where fans are either apathetic, or split between (I'd assume) Texans/Cowboys. 

Finally, the biggest problem is money. Any team going to a smaller area is going to need government help and Oregon can't afford it.

If you live in Portland. You drive up and down I-5. What do you see? All of those giant signs with hotels for $29. It's not because they're old and [BLEEP] (they are), it's because of vacancies. When I would drive from Seattle or Vancouver (BC) down to California or back, I always stayed in Oregon because there are tons of hotel rooms available for nothing.

It's really more of a lack of high-end hotel rooms, which again isn't a problem. Hotel vacancies in Oregon are really, really bad. Go into Denny's or McDonald's and get a Hotel/Motel guide and look at Oregon pages and then Washington. It's night and day. Oregon is cheap. Lots of hotels, very cheap.

Quote:and then there are 3 lateral moves demographically with better overall tourism infrastructure than Jax,

Neither one of those cities is better than Jacksonville in terms of corporate money. 

Quote:Time to ignore the troll, folks

If challenging your position makes me a troll than by all means go ahead and attack like a toddler all you want. Doesn't make a difference to me.

Have a good night.

St. Louis has 17 Fortune 1000 companies, Jacksonville has 4.

LOL, Kahn and the City just sign a new 30 year contract with a no relocation clause and the NFL owners approve it. You guys crack me up !

Khan is staying. The team is staying.

This is the best team ever assembled at 2-8.

(11-12-2024, 11:41 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-12-2024, 06:46 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]St. Louis is the most obvious  - and then there are 3 lateral moves demographically with better overall tourism infrastructure than Jax, 

St Louis isn't even ranked in the top 20 cities of the bolded statement. There's a reason why they lost the team, actually plenty of other reasons. 

The area has been in a downward turn for a long time. It's not a popular opinion but by almost every data driven measure of an area it's true. STL just isn't the place people from here want it to be. From an investment and growth point of view, STL just isn't a good place to invest corporate money.

Quote:and the new popular talk is Portland OR.

Never gonna happen: the taxpayers aren't paying for a stadium that would get used 8 times a year and Providence Park is too small for the NFL's standards. I know this because I've lived there. There's a reason why the only PRO team that exists in Portland is the Trail Blazers.

And, in terms of team loyalty, Portland is very much Seahawks country. The Seahawks are pretty much "The Northwest's" football team- the fans there are concentrated in WA, OR, ID, and MO MT (Montana?) It's not like San Antonio, where fans are either apathetic, or split between (I'd assume) Texans/Cowboys. 

Finally, the biggest problem is money. Any team going to a smaller area is going to need government help and Oregon can't afford it.

If you live in Portland. You drive up and down I-5. What do you see? All of those giant signs with hotels for $29. It's not because they're old and [BLEEP] (they are), it's because of vacancies. When I would drive from Seattle or Vancouver (BC) down to California or back, I always stayed in Oregon because there are tons of hotel rooms available for nothing.

It's really more of a lack of high-end hotel rooms, which again isn't a problem. Hotel vacancies in Oregon are really, really bad. Go into Denny's or McDonald's and get a Hotel/Motel guide and look at Oregon pages and then Washington. It's night and day. Oregon is cheap. Lots of hotels, very cheap.

Quote:and then there are 3 lateral moves demographically with better overall tourism infrastructure than Jax,

Neither one of those cities is better than Jacksonville in terms of corporate money. 

Quote:Time to ignore the troll, folks

If challenging your position makes me a troll than by all means go ahead and attack like a toddler all you want. Doesn't make a difference to me.

Have a good night.

St. Louis Rams had very similar attendance to Jacksonville teams during their tenure in that stadium but charged much more for tickets and season tickets  - and as I already explained the city has exponentially better tourism infrastructure. 

I've worked in St Louis quite a bit. 

A Saturday night in St. Louis can support a dozen different ticketed events, concerts, fairs, games etc, and still sell out a stadium on Sunday if the team is good. 

Jacksonville has yet to rise to that ability. 

If there are concerts at Dailys Plc, FL theater and Vystar arena on one night, two of them are going to be non-profitable most of the time. Jacksonvillians don't support live events well. 

St Louis doesn't have those problems. The population there will sell out 10 venues on a given Sat. night and fill a football stadium the next day for a winning team.

You really want to convince me that is not attractive to a small market owner that sells the absolute cheapest ticket in the league???

I lived in St Louis from 2008 until 2013, and TDOSS reflects what I experienced and know about from my company vacating two-thirds of their properties there. I work for a big telecom and we couldn't sell our former headquarters building in STL for fair market value. The real estate is troubled to distressed and it is a very frustrating place to visit let alone live. The hidden taxes are everywhere, and it is wicked expensive costs for suppressed wages.

The city tax is annoying and I can't imagine what it would take to run a team there. Shad was the last hope of a team being there when he tried to acquire the Rams. The residents don't miss the Rams at all. It was discussed into the ground when Kroenke planned to move the team.

Edit:
I will agree with you that Jacksonville definitely has a smaller town and can't support multiple event feel to it.

Shad reading this string....

Ok I signed a 30 year agreement with a no relocation clause
Committed to spend half a billion on a new stadium
I am in the process of building a 370 million dollar 4 Seasons luxury hotel on the river.
I am about to build an entertainment area near the stadium and hotel dropping another 60 mill
I can dock my boat and get to the ocean in short order. The Key and Bahamas is only a short hop.
The weather is pretty good

What the hell they talking about?

Like I said you guys crack me up...

(11-14-2024, 05:52 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]I lived in St Louis from 2008 until 2013, and TDOSS reflects what I experienced and know about from my company vacating two-thirds of their properties there. I work for a big telecom and we couldn't sell our former headquarters building in STL for fair market value. The real estate is troubled to distressed and it is a very frustrating place to visit let alone live. The hidden taxes are everywhere, and it is wicked expensive costs for suppressed wages.

The city tax is annoying and I can't imagine what it would take to run a team there. Shad was the last hope of a team being there when he tried to acquire the Rams. The residents don't miss the Rams at all. It was discussed into the ground when Kroenke planned to move the team.

Edit:
I will agree with you that Jacksonville definitely has a smaller town and can't support multiple event feel to it.

This is tricky. It's not that people in St. Louis don't miss the NFL, it's that they just hate Kroenke and the NFL so much for letting that situation happen that they have written off the NFL.

(11-15-2024, 06:50 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-14-2024, 05:52 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]I lived in St Louis from 2008 until 2013, and TDOSS reflects what I experienced and know about from my company vacating two-thirds of their properties there. I work for a big telecom and we couldn't sell our former headquarters building in STL for fair market value. The real estate is troubled to distressed and it is a very frustrating place to visit let alone live. The hidden taxes are everywhere, and it is wicked expensive costs for suppressed wages.

The city tax is annoying and I can't imagine what it would take to run a team there. Shad was the last hope of a team being there when he tried to acquire the Rams. The residents don't miss the Rams at all. It was discussed into the ground when Kroenke planned to move the team.

Edit:
I will agree with you that Jacksonville definitely has a smaller town and can't support multiple event feel to it.

This is tricky. It's not that people in St. Louis don't miss the NFL, it's that they just hate Kroenke and the NFL so much for letting that situation happen that they have written off the NFL.

That is a very good distinction and better description of it. Yeah Kroenke is no longer on any Christmas card lists.

(11-15-2024, 08:11 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-15-2024, 06:50 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]This is tricky. It's not that people in St. Louis don't miss the NFL, it's that they just hate Kroenke and the NFL so much for letting that situation happen that they have written off the NFL.

That is a very good distinction and better description of it. Yeah Kroenke is no longer on any Christmas card lists.

Probably just waiting on him to die to give him the Modell send-off. Charges were dropped against Paul Serbu because no jury of his peers would ever convict.