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(12-08-2024, 01:07 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-08-2024, 08:48 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]You are, the first link is 7 years out of date. In Florida, the only state that matters, it's a 3 day wait.

The second, a federal registry, is immaterial, the State keeps a record of the transaction, as I said.

The rest is just you trying to be sly.

So in short, your the ignoramus who came to battle of wit unarmed. And there's no O, probably should ask your wife how that feels.

I've posted 3 legit article that dissapproves your dishonesty and all you did was move the goalpost. "FLODIDA the only state that matters" 

Are you ok? 

It's so shocking you arent aware of such a thing. 

Here's another one, keep deflecting.

https://rhlawfl.com/criminal-defense/gun...s-florida/

Quote:Florida does not require a permit to buy a firearm, nor is there a permit that exempts anyone from the background check requirement.Jul 1, 2023

Or this article too old for you? Because that one was seven years ago? 

Just admit that your either a) a liar. or b) uninformed.

So you think that there should be a required permit in order to purchase a firearm?  What should the requirements be for such a permit?

From what you quoted from your own link "nor is there a permit that exempts anyone from the background check requirement".  Should such a permit exist?  What would be the requirements to obtain such a permit?

I personally went through the background check and proved my training in order to obtain my CCL.  If I go into a store to purchase a firearm, I still have to fill out the form(s) and wait for yet another background check before my purchase is approved (which only takes around 15 minutes or so usually).  The only advantage my CCL gives me is that I don't have to wait the required 3 days to complete my purchase, I can walk out of the store with my new firearm the same day.

(12-08-2024, 12:49 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-07-2024, 12:09 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think we need a gun registry or gun licensing in this country. I do think that it should be illegal to sell someone a gun without doing background checks on them.  Things will slip through the cracks, and guns will show up that we have no idea who sold to whom, but that's just how it is sometimes.

I do think there should be a tax on ammo. If you want to shoot it at the range you bought it at, no tax.  Take it home, that should be taxed. Maybe a 50% tax.

We should also think about restricting more gun types.  Currently there are restrictions on full auto and on shotgun barrel length. I think we need a few more restrictions, maybe based on reload speed and gun mass.

Reload speed?  Strange, most Lefties focus on magazine capacity.  What's your plan, wheel guns only for private citizens?  

Gun mass?  I can appreciate the composition argument and concern over the potential to circumvent metal detectors, but mass?

(12-07-2024, 05:50 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]That's a 10% tax meant to raise revenue for conservation.
I'm talking a larger tax, just on ammo, that leaves the range, to maybe deter stockpiling and mass shootings.  It's the Chris Rock idea.

You can't possibly (and I ask this with all sincerity) believe a 40% increase in the tax on ammo will deter mass shootings?  1, 2, 3 victims down.  Plenty of targets still out there, but that's enough ammo for today.  I'll come back after the next paycheck?

How many rounds must one hold to be "stockpiling"?  I gotta count my ammo and see if I qualify! 

What I mean by reload speed is the time it takes from firing one semiautomatic round to firing the next round, accounting for the ergonomics of pulling the trigger.  It's the whole thing that bumpstocks get around.

What I mean by gun mass is the larger the mass, the smaller the recoil, and the easier it is to maintain your aim. Larger mass like a semi-automatic rifle should be considered more dangerous and more restricted than smaller mass like a handgun. 

As for taxing ammo, I do think a relatively low tax would change behavior, but if I'm wrong, then it's not worth doing. It may be that the tax would have to be extremely high before behavior changed.

Taxing people to stop them from doing lawful behavior.

Just another example of Mikesez's deep roots in Republican philosophy.

(12-08-2024, 02:17 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Taxing people to stop them from doing lawful behavior.

Just another example of Mikesez's deep roots in Republican philosophy.

Lol. Just like Trump wants to tax wholesalers to stop them from importing goods

(12-07-2024, 11:06 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-07-2024, 06:04 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]There's a lot of willful ignorance going on here. If you don't know what the heck you're talking about you should just say nothing. Spouting off stuff just to get a rise out of people makes only you look stupid, not the rest of us.

Tell us who doesn't know what they're talking about and correct what they got wrong.
Otherwise you should just say nothing.
Spouting off just to get a rise out of people, well, it's provocative and confusing at the same time.

For someone who gets a lot of things wrong, this is all I'm saying to you about it. If you feel like you need something explained how about fact check yourself.

If you have never purchased a firearm in a gun shop, an outdoor store, or at a gun show or applied for a CC permit you have nothing to say about the process because you have never done it. Go ahead and keep talking about things you know nothing about. Posting articles about the lack of federal guidelines is useless when it's a state issue.

I have bought a few guns here in NC. A shotgun from a pawn shop, a .45 from a gun shop and a .22 from a gun show. Every purchase required a picture ID, a background check and a 3 day waiting period at the two shops. The wait time at the gun show was an all day process. I don't have a CC permit but I know the process my husband went through. A 3 day class that included time at the range and the permit is issued by the sheriff's office after a background check.

See how that works? I know what I'm talking about, therefore, what I say is valid.

(12-08-2024, 09:56 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-08-2024, 03:21 AM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]Care to challenge it? Your other MAGA buddies are doing a poor job.

Wanna give it a shot or are you just going to throw personal attacks?

Referring to your original post, you're apparently unaware of mandatory background checks and waiting periods before purchasing a handgun.  Beyond the background check, what "test" would you recommend prior to purchase?  Also, why do you label everyone who supports the 2nd to be a gun nut?  

P.S.   "just what a few guys wrote down 250 years ago" is the foundation of our democracy and generally considered somewhat sacred.  You'll need to get the Supreme Court in agreement with you before you start banning guns.  Speaking of bans, what's your well-considered long-range plan?  There's currently a "ban" on drugs, but it hasn't really deterred the flow into the country.  What will make guns any different?

This is the same 2A purist [BLEEP] I see posted by every gun-nut. When a crazy 18-year-old can come into a gun store, purchase an assault weapon with 100's of rounds and no red flags are triggered, then he goes and murders a couple of dozen 3rd-graders something is very, very wrong.

There are more guns than people in America than any other 1st world country and more mass shootings per capita. The 2A was written 100's of years ago before there were automatic and assault weapons.

You're welcome.

Quote:I have a friend who supports it, and he doesn't even own a gun.  It's like assuming everyone who supports abortion, is okay with late-term abortion.

You made several blanket statements and opinions designed to inflame. You kind of defeat the purpose of your statements by giving us an anecdotal statement of a friend who doesn't own firearms and then a statement about making assumptions...and then go on to make several assumptions.

So, if you really wanted to make an argument about gun control that wasn't designed as a straw-man argument filled with assumptions and opinions designed to score political points so you could feel like the victim that you aren't...you wouldn't be talking about banning firearms.

Why?

Because while there are certainly a vocal minority who want to ban firearm, the majority of us on the left don't. What we want is regulation. The point for your side of the issue (if you are actually serious about it) is to argue why there shouldn't be regulation, or very little. So, instead of arguing the chicken-little-point-scoring-they're-out-to-get-our-guns approach and making incorrect assumptions...focus more on why you don't think there should be any regulations and if there are what they should look like (as the only reasonable argument you presented in your post).

I suspect, though, that you are more concerned on scoring points off of those who don't know better so that you can feel better about yourself (or try to legitimize your victimhood).

SIDE NOTE: Are you aware of the ASSUME formula? You made a lot of assumptions, so I'm wondering if you do. Just in case, let me spell it out for you. When you ASSUME...you make an [BLEEP]...out of U...and ME. Ok, just in case you never learned that.

Quote:What's wrong with making America great again?  Shouldn't that be the goal of every citizen?

When was America great in the past and when did it stop being great requiring it to be made great “again”?

(12-08-2024, 01:47 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-08-2024, 12:49 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]Reload speed?  Strange, most Lefties focus on magazine capacity.  What's your plan, wheel guns only for private citizens?  

Gun mass?  I can appreciate the composition argument and concern over the potential to circumvent metal detectors, but mass?


You can't possibly (and I ask this with all sincerity) believe a 40% increase in the tax on ammo will deter mass shootings?  1, 2, 3 victims down.  Plenty of targets still out there, but that's enough ammo for today.  I'll come back after the next paycheck?

How many rounds must one hold to be "stockpiling"?  I gotta count my ammo and see if I qualify! 

What I mean by reload speed is the time it takes from firing one semiautomatic round to firing the next round, accounting for the ergonomics of pulling the trigger.  It's the whole thing that bumpstocks get around.

What I mean by gun mass is the larger the mass, the smaller the recoil, and the easier it is to maintain your aim. Larger mass like a semi-automatic rifle should be considered more dangerous and more restricted than smaller mass like a handgun. 

As for taxing ammo, I do think a relatively low tax would change behavior, but if I'm wrong, then it's not worth doing. It may be that the tax would have to be extremely high before behavior changed.

Perhaps it would avoid confusion to utilize only commonly held definitions.  Reload speed is the time required to eject the empty magazine, insert a loaded one and release the slide, chambering the first round, and a bump-stock is not a factor.  Rate -of-fire, the time between rounds, is reduced by a bump-stock. 

Recoil is a function of bullet mass and velocity, and the mass of the weapon isn't a factor (F=ma). Felt recoil, or kick/kickback, (how it feels to the shooter) does vary with the weapon's mass.
I think you misunderstand or over value "maintaining your aim".  If the target remains stationary after the first shot, it's likely dead (and was already on the ground, otherwise it would be falling).  For a sniper with the objective of a single target, a heavy barrel weapon is preferred.  A mass shooter doesn't want to put 10 bullets into one person though, but rather, one bullet each into ten different people, which means acquiring a new target with every shot.  The mass of the weapon works against you then, as it requires greater force to move the gun mass from one target to the next, especially as the target field widens.  Wave a one-pound weight around, then repeat the movement with a five-pound weight.  Notice the difference?  
I believe the relative concealability of a handgun, makes it far more dangerous than an "assault rifle" in most situations.

The cost of ammo will never stop shootings, either mass or individual.

(12-08-2024, 09:56 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-08-2024, 03:21 AM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]Care to challenge it? Your other MAGA buddies are doing a poor job.

Wanna give it a shot or are you just going to throw personal attacks?

 You'll need to get the Supreme Court in agreement with you before you start banning guns. Speaking of bans, what's your guys well-considered long-range plan? There's currently a "ban" on drugs, but it hasn't really deterred the flow into the country. What will make guns any different?

The supreme court got around that by just ruling that abortion was not a constitutional problem, it was a state issue. As all things are possible in politics then it is conceivable that at some point the supreme court will be stacked with those nasty anti gun leaning judges and they apply the same ruling.

Quote:On top of that the anti gun people have no respect for our founding fathers "just what a few guys wrote down 250 years ago" well that is the foundation of our democracy and generally considered somewhat sacred

That word in bold. Sacred. As in the founders were touched by a creator or a skyfriend when writing the constitution? And "somewhat" Either it is sacred or it is not, Can something be somewhat sacred.

Quote:Also, why do you guys label everyone who supports the 2nd to be a gun nut? I have a friend who supports it, and he doesn't even own a gun. It's like assuming everyone who supports abortion, is okay with late-term abortion.

At first I did not get your simili. But then I saw it. If we consider late term abortion and the 2nd amendment both as murder of an innocent then the two do have a similarity.

Quote:let me ask you, beyond the background check, what "test" would you recommend prior to purchase?

That the police be given clear and written rules to follow when administering any gun regulation and is followed by an independent from the government judicator.

Quote:Are unaware of mandatory background checks and waiting periods before purchasing a handgun.

That would be strange as that is what those who want gun regulation, want.

(12-08-2024, 01:07 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-08-2024, 08:48 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]You are, the first link is 7 years out of date. In Florida, the only state that matters, it's a 3 day wait.

The second, a federal registry, is immaterial, the State keeps a record of the transaction, as I said.

The rest is just you trying to be sly.

So in short, your the ignoramus who came to battle of wit unarmed. And there's no O, probably should ask your wife how that feels.

I've posted 3 legit article that dissapproves your dishonesty and all you did was move the goalpost. "FLODIDA the only state that matters" 

Are you ok? 

It's so shocking you arent aware of such a thing. 

Here's another one, keep deflecting.

https://rhlawfl.com/criminal-defense/gun...s-florida/

Quote:Florida does not require a permit to buy a firearm, nor is there a permit that exempts anyone from the background check requirement.Jul 1, 2023

Or this article too old for you? Because that one was seven years ago? 

Just admit that your either a) a liar. or b) uninformed.

Hey dip [BLEEP], that's the first time you used the word "permit" for anything. If anyone is moving the goalposts it's your dumb [BLEEP]. Read the second qualifier of the sentence you posted from 2023, "not is there are permit the exempts anyone from a background check." Lol, you aren't walking out of Bass Pro Shop with a gun on the day you buy it. So you can shut the [BLEEP] up about all this stuff you don't know a thing about, your idiocy is tiresome for normal people.

(12-08-2024, 05:56 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-08-2024, 09:56 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]Referring to your original post, you're apparently unaware of mandatory background checks and waiting periods before purchasing a handgun.  Beyond the background check, what "test" would you recommend prior to purchase?  Also, why do you label everyone who supports the 2nd to be a gun nut?  

P.S.   "just what a few guys wrote down 250 years ago" is the foundation of our democracy and generally considered somewhat sacred.  You'll need to get the Supreme Court in agreement with you before you start banning guns.  Speaking of bans, what's your well-considered long-range plan?  There's currently a "ban" on drugs, but it hasn't really deterred the flow into the country.  What will make guns any different?

This is the same 2A purist [BLEEP] I see posted by every gun-nut. When a crazy 18-year-old can come into a gun store, purchase an assault weapon with 100's of rounds and no red flags are triggered, then he goes and murders a couple of dozen 3rd-graders something is very, very wrong.

There are more guns than people in America than any other 1st world country and more mass shootings per capita. The 2A was written 100's of years ago before there were automatic and assault weapons.

You're welcome.

Quote:I have a friend who supports it, and he doesn't even own a gun.  It's like assuming everyone who supports abortion, is okay with late-term abortion.

You made several blanket statements and opinions designed to inflame. You kind of defeat the purpose of your statements by giving us an anecdotal statement of a friend who doesn't own firearms and then a statement about making assumptions...and then go on to make several assumptions.

So, if you really wanted to make an argument about gun control that wasn't designed as a straw-man argument filled with assumptions and opinions designed to score political points so you could feel like the victim that you aren't...you wouldn't be talking about banning firearms.

Why?

Because while there are certainly a vocal minority who want to ban firearm, the majority of us on the left don't. What we want is regulation. The point for your side of the issue (if you are actually serious about it) is to argue why there shouldn't be regulation, or very little. So, instead of arguing the chicken-little-point-scoring-they're-out-to-get-our-guns approach and making incorrect assumptions...focus more on why you don't think there should be any regulations and if there are what they should look like (as the only reasonable argument you presented in your post).

I suspect, though, that you are more concerned on scoring points off of those who don't know better so that you can feel better about yourself (or try to legitimize your victimhood).

SIDE NOTE: Are you aware of the ASSUME formula? You made a lot of assumptions, so I'm wondering if you do. Just in case, let me spell it out for you. When you ASSUME...you make an [BLEEP]...out of U...and ME. Ok, just in case you never learned that.

Quote:What's wrong with making America great again?  Shouldn't that be the goal of every citizen?

When was America great in the past and when did it stop being great requiring it to be made great “again”?

Oh Sweetie, the only one making as [BLEEP] out of you is, well...you.

You aren't getting what you want. We aren't catering to people like you ever again. You want a reason? Because [BLEEP] you, that's why. That's the beauty and simplicity of the whole argument, [BLEEP] you. And guess what? You can't do a [BLEEP] thing about it, and deity help you if you try.

So piss off with your engagement farming bull [BLEEP]. You're just another pathetic little wanna be intellectual who can't tell his [BLEEP] from the barrel of a gun.

A lot of big hat no cattle talk going on. No backup, just word salad as usual.

(12-08-2024, 05:32 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]If you have never purchased a firearm in a gun shop, an outdoor store, or at a gun show or applied for a CC permit you have nothing to say about the process because you have never done it. Go ahead and keep talking about things you know nothing about. Posting articles about the lack of federal guidelines is useless when it's a state issue.

I have bought a few guns here in NC. A shotgun from a pawn shop, a .45 from a gun shop and a .22 from a gun show. Every purchase required a picture ID, a background check and a 3 day waiting period at the two shops. The wait time at the gun show was an all day process. I don't have a CC permit but I know the process my husband went through. A 3 day class that included time at the range and the permit is issued by the sheriff's office after a background check.

See how that works? I know what I'm talking about, therefore, what I say is valid.

It's completely legal under federal law to buy a AR-15 from Bubba in a Walmart parking lot at 3 AM with cash and no paperwork.

Originally under the brady bill such purchases would have to be done at a local sheriffs office for the NICS check, but this was struck down by the courts due to it being an unfunded mandate.

If I sell my car on craigslist I sold my car online.Doesn't change if I deliver the car to them or if I have it delivered by someone else.

These semantics are a distraction from the fact that someone could get denied a gun at a FLL because of their background, then go online and find a private seller instead.

The current barrier to gun ownership is a 1 ft wall that you can just step right over. A minor inconvenience

Once again gun nuts lack criticial thinking.

(12-08-2024, 08:48 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-08-2024, 01:07 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]I've posted 3 legit article that dissapproves your dishonesty and all you did was move the goalpost. "FLODIDA the only state that matters" 

Are you ok? 

It's so shocking you arent aware of such a thing. 

Here's another one, keep deflecting.

https://rhlawfl.com/criminal-defense/gun...s-florida/


Or this article too old for you? Because that one was seven years ago? 

Just admit that your either a) a liar. or b) uninformed.

Hey dip [BLEEP], that's the first time you used the word "permit" for anything. If anyone is moving the goalposts it's your dumb [BLEEP]. Read the second qualifier of the sentence you posted from 2023, "not is there are permit the exempts anyone from a background check." Lol, you aren't walking out of Bass Pro Shop with a gun on the day you buy it. So you can shut the [BLEEP] up about all this stuff you don't know a thing about, your idiocy is tiresome for normal people.

I've posted THREE articles that proved you are indeed a liar. 

I know reading is hard.

Quote:Florida doesn't require fingerprints, a special permit, or even a waiting period to buy a gun. This is common in some parts of the US, where you can walk into a store and walk out with a semi-automatic gun in your hand in minutes

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-b...un-2017-10


https://thegunzone.com/do-all-firearms-n...egistered/

I have supplied evidence.

You have said irrelevant stuff or idiotc things like:

 "Herp derp your ARTICTLE is 7 year old. And Florida is all I care".



The ball is in your court - dissapprove those articles or you cannot disparage your way out of the fact that you do not know enough to defend your position. So which one is it Mr "Ignomarous"

(12-08-2024, 01:52 AM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-08-2024, 01:45 AM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]There is no end of unreasonable excuses that can be generated to misrepresent firearm violence.
2A is only a problem because it has been interpreted to advance unreasonable and essentially unrestrained civilian firearm possession. Similar societies with less firearm prevalence have less firearm death and injury.


Why can't the illegal guns be stopped? They are in most countries...

"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun" Mao Zedong Leader of the communist revolution in China. I will not let MY COUNTRY turn into a Communist country like China and allow it to be run by a murderous dictator....... And the "Illegal Guns" in a lot of countries are in the hands of people trying to overthrow a dictator...........

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass" Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto....... Private gun ownership is helping to keep our adversaries at bay.......

So China is getting the guns illegally into the United States?

(12-09-2024, 01:26 AM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-08-2024, 01:52 AM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun" Mao Zedong Leader of the communist revolution in China. I will not let MY COUNTRY turn into a Communist country like China and allow it to be run by a murderous dictator....... And the "Illegal Guns" in a lot of countries are in the hands of people trying to overthrow a dictator...........

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass" Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto....... Private gun ownership is helping to keep our adversaries at bay.......

So China is getting the guns illegally into the United States?

You have totally missed the point..... China became a communist state and the communist stay in power because the people have no way to fight back against their government, which is exactly what the founders of this country wanted, the ability of the people to fight, and overthrow the government if they started ignoring the Constitution............ But it sounds like you're a product of the liberal indoctrination system so you were probably never taught that.

(12-08-2024, 10:58 AM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2024, 11:26 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]It is crazy watching Gun Nuts be fine with people needing a driving license, register their car and even the have to take test to drive, but that just about anybody can stroll in and buy a gun, no license, no registration, no test. It is amazingly hypocritical and the counter argument will be, "golly gee though, huk huk huk... it is a right". No it isn't. It is just what a few guys wrote down 250 years ago. Speech is a Right. Religion (believing what you want) is a Right. Reporting on things and the government is a right. Owning a weapon designed to kill people is not a Right.

 Firearms are not "designed to kill people".

A gun is designed to kill people.

(12-08-2024, 11:02 PM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-08-2024, 08:48 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Hey dip [BLEEP], that's the first time you used the word "permit" for anything. If anyone is moving the goalposts it's your dumb [BLEEP]. Read the second qualifier of the sentence you posted from 2023, "not is there are permit the exempts anyone from a background check." Lol, you aren't walking out of Bass Pro Shop with a gun on the day you buy it. So you can shut the [BLEEP] up about all this stuff you don't know a thing about, your idiocy is tiresome for normal people.

I've posted THREE articles that proved you are indeed a liar. 

I know reading is hard.

Quote:Florida doesn't require fingerprints, a special permit, or even a waiting period to buy a gun. This is common in some parts of the US, where you can walk into a store and walk out with a semi-automatic gun in your hand in minutes

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-b...un-2017-10


https://thegunzone.com/do-all-firearms-n...egistered/

I have supplied evidence.

You have said irrelevant stuff or idiotc things like:

 "Herp derp your ARTICTLE is 7 year old. And Florida is all I care".



The ball is in your court - dissapprove those articles or you cannot disparage your way out of the fact that you do not know enough to defend your position. So which one is it Mr "Ignomarous"

https://www.fdle.state.fl.us/FPP/FAQs2.aspx

Here you go Dippy. You'll see from this current FDLE  government site why your old news is wrong. 

And for the record, I'm against everything they list there because every one is an infringement on our rights.

And I don't care a whit what you think about that!

Have a nice day!

(12-09-2024, 02:15 AM)TDOSS Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-08-2024, 10:58 AM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] Firearms are not "designed to kill people".

A gun is designed to kill people.

One can make the same argument about the bow and arrow or knife.  Should those also be banned?