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Interesting on the offensive side:  Interesting to see that Mac Jones and Walker little finish in the green on offense



Defense: Hines Allen had a game. Cisco played his best game of the season. Also Darby played well in a very limited role. (17 snaps, he may have been benched)

I was told Hines-Allen was a beta for hyphenating his name and that he wasn't good anymore....

If Mac Jones had just run blocked better you would have beat them by 14.  (This is one of the reasons why I generally take PFF ratings with a grain of salt.)

Cephus played ?

Good to see Campbell do well despite the injuries that recently occurred with him. Hines-Allen set the tone for the rest of that game when he popped the daylights out of Levis going into half time. We've been missing that most of the year in my opinion. A tone setting hit like that changes the genetic make up for your opponent sometimes.

Its interesting with Jones finishing in the green but I would say its interesting for Little. Little has usually always played well for us at LT. Its good to see Darby with only 17 snaps.

Tell me again about how ventrell miller is better than Devin Lloyd. Lloyd is currently ranked 7th/84 off ball linebackers on the year and miller is ranked 76th/84. I still believe this is one of the wildest takes that some of y’all have on this board. Lloyd is actually one of our best players and Miller is a replacement level backup.

(12-11-2024, 11:39 AM)jessepeck1213 Wrote: [ -> ]Tell me again about how ventrell miller is better than Devin Lloyd. Lloyd is currently ranked 7th/84 off ball linebackers on the year and miller is ranked 76th/84. I still believe this is one of the wildest takes that some of y’all have on this board. Lloyd is actually one of our best players and Miller is a replacement level backup.

I don't think it is one or the other, they are both good.

(12-11-2024, 11:47 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-11-2024, 11:39 AM)jessepeck1213 Wrote: [ -> ]Tell me again about how ventrell miller is better than Devin Lloyd. Lloyd is currently ranked 7th/84 off ball linebackers on the year and miller is ranked 76th/84. I still believe this is one of the wildest takes that some of y’all have on this board. Lloyd is actually one of our best players and Miller is a replacement level backup.

I don't think it is one or the other, they are both good.

Miller continues to be what he is, a run stuffing linebacker who gets abused in coverage. He was a good value pick for a second ILB in a 34 scheme, but he's not going to reach his potential in a 43. There's just not enough speed there to be that sideline to sideline guy in the middle, he's not big enough to be a Sam, and he can't cover well enough to be a Will. He's a nice piece who will likely have a few more years bouncing around the League once he's done here after next year.

(12-11-2024, 01:32 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-11-2024, 11:47 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think it is one or the other, they are both good.

Miller continues to be what he is, a run stuffing linebacker who gets abused in coverage. He was a good value pick for a second ILB in a 34 scheme, but he's not going to reach his potential in a 43. There's just not enough speed there to be that sideline to sideline guy in the middle, he's not big enough to be a Sam, and he can't cover well enough to be a Will. He's a nice piece who will likely have a few more years bouncing around the League once he's done here after next year.

Miller ran 4.7 at the combine Lloyd ran 4.66. Neither is going to really keep up with 4.4-4.5 speed for very long.

Good to see Mac Jones with a run block grade of 60

(12-12-2024, 01:05 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-11-2024, 01:32 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Miller continues to be what he is, a run stuffing linebacker who gets abused in coverage. He was a good value pick for a second ILB in a 34 scheme, but he's not going to reach his potential in a 43. There's just not enough speed there to be that sideline to sideline guy in the middle, he's not big enough to be a Sam, and he can't cover well enough to be a Will. He's a nice piece who will likely have a few more years bouncing around the League once he's done here after next year.

Miller ran 4.7 at the combine Lloyd ran 4.66. Neither is going to really keep up with 4.4-4.5 speed for very long.

Miller had surgery and didn't test at the combine

RG, C, LG. Ouch...

That should be the focus of the off-season.

(12-12-2024, 07:41 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]RG, C, LG.  Ouch...

That should be the focus of the off-season.

The secondary has to be at the top of the list. DT could be argued, but the Jaguars are dead last in scoring defense, (the last time I looked….I don’t even care to look at this point) and that’s with 2 of the best DE Duo’s in the league. 

One of our strongest offensive lineman is waiting in the wings for his chance in Cooper Hodges. Morse is going to be better than any rookie. You’re just gonna have to live with Walker Little at LT. Which leaves LG, that we can look for after the 2nd round or maybe in free agency.

That putrid secondary is by far the worst secondary in Jacksonville Jaguars History. Maybe it’s the scheme because of the fall off from Cisco, or maybe it’s just the players but either way it’s got to be fixed. If we had Prime Time at CB instead of Tyson Campbell, the Jaguars would still have the worst secondary in the NFL and the worst in Jaguars History. 

The number 1 priority is secondary. Either a game changer at safety or a shutdown corner.

They have a few issues to iron out about which direction they want to go at RB. Bigsby was a year late, but he did what I thought which was take carries from Etienne and now he’s getting the Lion’s share because he’s just flat out a better NFL running back than Etienne. Etienne reminds me of Lamar Smith or a broke down Reggie Bush, and he’s terrible at picking up the blitz. I still haven’t forgive him for that dropped pass against Washington in week 1 of 2022. Bigsby has earned it and the team will go further with a more balanced rushing attack. Right off the top of my head I think Etienne has less than five 100 yard games.

I’ve heard rumblings about Engram. All I can say to that, is go look at the team history and what we’ve had at TE. Are you kidding me?

Kirk is dependent on what Lawrence wants and they seem to have good chemistry so they can rework that deal.

Cisco, who cares. Scherff, who cares. Muma, who cares. Lloyd ain’t what I thought he was but he’s ok.

Random thoughts: I like Miller and he reminds me of TJ Slaughter. Cam Little will become the best kicker in franchise history. Don’t fall victim to the “run it back” clan, because this is professional football and you can’t have hall of famers at every position. The best thing you can ever do in any sport is take the best player available. And no matter what coach you have, they don’t block, tackle, jump, run, juke, pass, catch, make reads, or anything else on the football field, the players do. Bill Belichek, Vince Lombardi, and Bill Parcells can’t make the Jaguars secondary any better than it already is. Coaches don’t make guys catch the ball cleaner, throw the ball faster, jump higher, hit harder, etc.

(12-12-2024, 08:46 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-12-2024, 07:41 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]RG, C, LG.  Ouch...

That should be the focus of the off-season.

The secondary has to be at the top of the list. DT could be argued, but  the Jaguars are dead last in scoring defense, (the last time I looked….I don’t even care to look at this point) and that’s with 2 of the best DE Duo’s in the league. 

One of our strongest offensive lineman is waiting in the wings for his chance in Cooper Hodges. Morse is going to be better than any rookie. You’re just gonna have to live with Walker Little at LT. Which leaves LG, that we can look for after the 2nd round or maybe in free agency.

That putrid secondary is by far the worst secondary in Jacksonville Jaguars History. Maybe it’s the scheme because of the fall off from Cisco, or maybe it’s just the players but either way it’s got to be fixed. If we had Prime Time at CB instead of Tyson Campbell, the Jaguars would still have the worst secondary in the NFL and the worst in Jaguars History. 

The number 1 priority is secondary. Either a game changer at safety or a shutdown corner.

I think it might be possible that the DC has done a [BLEEP] job of putting the players in the right places to be successful.

It's my opinion that we should focus on protecting Lawrence.  Little and Harrison are good enough on the tackles.  But the interior O-Line is old and washed out.  That's just my opinion.  They can't pass protect on the interior and they can't run block to get Tank or ETN space to run up the middle.

I'm the idiot of the message board.  But it's pretty obvious that we should try and focus on the only strength we have.  And that's at QB.  Morse may be servcivable, but Scherff is old and only going to get worse.  Cleveland is nothing but a stop gap as well.  Why not focus on getting better where we need the most work?

The D is suspect, but they aren't the problem.  The problem is that our QB is getting destroyed every game.

Oh ok, the defense ain’t the problem ?

(12-12-2024, 09:09 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Oh ok, the defense ain’t the problem ?

The defense is not the problem.

EDIT: The players on D are not the problem. But yeah, Neilson is a bad DC. But the players on D good enough to run back for the most part. Yeah we should upgrade safety and find a better DC that knows how to use our linemen. But it's not the Defense that is the problem.

It's the offense that is the problem. The D kept Houston under 25 points in both games we played them this year. We can't at least split a game with Houston?

The tacks are trash. They always will be. But we need to look at how Houston works us. And it's not the D that is the reason we lost to Houston this year. Houston is our antagonist. Folks here that hate the tacks are lost in the 90s. It's the 2020s. Houston is the hatred we need to focus on. I mean, damn. They targeted our franchise QB. Houston must be destroyed. Who cares about mayo? Let's focus on the spice.

I’m not about to get into it with anybody who thinks the defense is not the problem. You gotta be [BLEEP] me.

(12-12-2024, 09:29 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-12-2024, 09:09 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Oh ok, the defense ain’t the problem ?

The defense is not the problem.

EDIT:  The players on D are not the problem.  But yeah, Neilson is a bad DC.  But the players on D good enough to run back for the most part.  Yeah we should upgrade safety and find a better DC that knows how to use our linemen.  But it's not the Defense that is the problem.

It's the offense that is the problem.  The D kept Houston under 25 points in both games we played them this year.  We can't at least split a game with Houston? 

The tacks are trash.  They always will be.  But we need to look at how Houston works us.  And it's not the D that is the reason we lost to Houston this year.  Houston is our antagonist.  Folks here that hate the tacks are lost in the 90s.  It's the 2020s.  Houston is the hatred we need to focus on.  I mean, damn.  They targeted our franchise QB.  Houston must be destroyed.  Who cares about mayo?  Let's focus on the spice.

The Defense is most definitely a problem. The Defenses stats before Lawrence's shoulder injury...

#Jaguars D prior to Lawrence shut down:

• 32nd Y/P (6.0)
• 32nd AY/A (9.2)
• 32nd passer rating (113.4)
• 31st pass EXP (-103.36)
• 30th PPG
• 30th TD passes (19)
• 30th YPA (8.2)
• 30th cmp-percentage (70.7)
• 29th TD pass-percentage (6.3%)
• 29th INTs (2)
• 26th rushing TDs (11)

(12-12-2024, 09:29 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-12-2024, 09:09 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Oh ok, the defense ain’t the problem ?

The defense is not the problem.

EDIT:  The players on D are not the problem.  But yeah, Neilson is a bad DC.  But the players on D good enough to run back for the most part.  Yeah we should upgrade safety and find a better DC that knows how to use our linemen.  But it's not the Defense that is the problem.

It's the offense that is the problem.  The D kept Houston under 25 points in both games we played them this year.  We can't at least split a game with Houston? 

The tacks are trash.  They always will be.  But we need to look at how Houston works us.  And it's not the D that is the reason we lost to Houston this year.  Houston is our antagonist.  Folks here that hate the tacks are lost in the 90s.  It's the 2020s.  Houston is the hatred we need to focus on.  I mean, damn.  They targeted our franchise QB.  Houston must be destroyed.  Who cares about mayo?  Let's focus on the spice.

Dawg. The defense is historically bad.