(04-01-2025, 11:01 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (03-31-2025, 03:28 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe you should ask questions before you jump to conclusions! Because you usually assume wrong.
Lol, I've never been wrong about you.
When a person lacks reflection, they are always right in their own mind.
Anyhow I'm trying to discuss capital gains tax policy, and you keep on trying to discuss me.
(03-31-2025, 12:40 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (03-31-2025, 10:55 AM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]The meme does not state how that number was achieved. You assumed the poster asked each patient. I merely suggested an alternative to your conclusion.
"90% of my patient load are liberals"
That's what he said. How can he know that without discussing politics with his patients? You're saying he might have gotten that data from someone else's poll. No. Those wouldn't be his patients. They would be patients of any number of other therapists.
Back to my statement, he is either unethical, or lying. The good news is, like most stuff that goes viral on social media, this is just something someone made up. It's a lie. He's lying.
There is a simple and obvious possibility. He may give each new patient a questionnaire in the introductory session, telling them to answer as much or as little as they wish. The information could be used to help guide his therapy with each patient, or for statistical research only, without any patient identification.
(04-01-2025, 11:28 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (03-31-2025, 12:40 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]"90% of my patient load are liberals"
That's what he said. How can he know that without discussing politics with his patients? You're saying he might have gotten that data from someone else's poll. No. Those wouldn't be his patients. They would be patients of any number of other therapists.
Back to my statement, he is either unethical, or lying. The good news is, like most stuff that goes viral on social media, this is just something someone made up. It's a lie. He's lying.
There is a simple and obvious possibility. He may give each new patient a questionnaire in the introductory session, telling them to answer as much or as little as they wish. The information could be used to help guide his therapy with each patient, or for statistical research only, without any patient identification.
They don't do that.
If they started, it would become a click bait outrage headline for the day. "Psychologist says 'Conservatives are crazy'.
It wouldn't be fair and it wouldn't be right, but it is exactly here w click bait headlines work.
(04-01-2025, 11:14 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (04-01-2025, 11:01 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Lol, I've never been wrong about you.
When a person lacks reflection, they are always right in their own mind.
Anyhow I'm trying to discuss capital gains tax policy, and you keep on trying to discuss me.
Weird, you're discussing the political leanings of mental health patients and exerting your usual levels of hubris whilst doing so.
(04-01-2025, 12:14 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (04-01-2025, 11:28 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]There is a simple and obvious possibility. He may give each new patient a questionnaire in the introductory session, telling them to answer as much or as little as they wish. The information could be used to help guide his therapy with each patient, or for statistical research only, without any patient identification.
They don't do that.
If they started, it would become a click bait outrage headline for the day. "Psychologist says 'Conservatives are crazy'.
It wouldn't be fair and it wouldn't be right, but it is exactly here w click bait headlines work.
FYI this is why your comments are so seldom considered seriously. You state as absolute fact that which you cannot possibly know to be true.
(04-01-2025, 12:52 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (04-01-2025, 11:14 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]When a person lacks reflection, they are always right in their own mind.
Anyhow I'm trying to discuss capital gains tax policy, and you keep on trying to discuss me.
Weird, you're discussing the political leanings of mental health patients and exerting your usual levels of hubris whilst doing so.
I didn't bring up the political leanings of mental health patients.
I'm just saying no one knows the political leanings of mental health patients overall.
You guys keep saying it is known. You're giving a specific figure, 90%.
I'm being skeptical. You're the one who has hubris, on this topic.
(04-01-2025, 01:45 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (04-01-2025, 12:14 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]They don't do that.
If they started, it would become a click bait outrage headline for the day. "Psychologist says 'Conservatives are crazy'.
It wouldn't be fair and it wouldn't be right, but it is exactly here w click bait headlines work.
FYI this is why your comments are so seldom considered seriously. You state as absolute fact that which you cannot possibly know to be true.
It's bad to just assert facts and assume they're true.
I explained why we know it's a fact. Do you find fault with my explanation? Am I wrong about how click bait works?
Again, please attack the post, not the poster.
I know it's easier to attack me. I know it's more fun. But try.
(04-01-2025, 02:07 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (04-01-2025, 12:52 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Weird, you're discussing the political leanings of mental health patients and exerting your usual levels of hubris whilst doing so.
I didn't bring up the political leanings of mental health patients.
I'm just saying no one knows the political leanings of mental health patients overall.
You guys keep saying it is known. You're giving a specific figure, 90%.
I'm being skeptical. You're the one who has hubris, on this topic.
(04-01-2025, 01:45 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]FYI this is why your comments are so seldom considered seriously. You state as absolute fact that which you cannot possibly know to be true.
It's bad to just assert facts and assume they're true.
I explained why we know it's a fact. Do you find fault with my explanation? Am I wrong about how click bait works?
Again, please attack the post, not the poster.
I know it's easier to attack me. I know it's more fun. But try.
So, based on what facts are you calling this guy a liar?
(04-01-2025, 04:59 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-01-2025, 02:07 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I didn't bring up the political leanings of mental health patients.
I'm just saying no one knows the political leanings of mental health patients overall.
You guys keep saying it is known. You're giving a specific figure, 90%.
I'm being skeptical. You're the one who has hubris, on this topic.
It's bad to just assert facts and assume they're true.
I explained why we know it's a fact. Do you find fault with my explanation? Am I wrong about how click bait works?
Again, please attack the post, not the poster.
I know it's easier to attack me. I know it's more fun. But try.
So, based on what facts are you calling this guy a liar?
Because I have seen therapists, and my wife has seen therapists, and they simply do not ask about politics.
They do ask about if you have guns in the home, and that is scandalous enough. It would definitely get written up in our clickbait addicted media if they started asking about political affiliation for all their new patients.
(04-01-2025, 05:08 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (04-01-2025, 04:59 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]So, based on what facts are you calling this guy a liar?
Because I have seen therapists, and my wife has seen therapists, and they simply do not ask about politics.
They do ask about if you have guns in the home, and that is scandalous enough. It would definitely get written up in our clickbait addicted media if they started asking about political affiliation for all their new patients.
I've been seeing therapist off and on since 1995, and everyone I've seen will ask you generalized questions to get a feel of how your emotions work and on what issues they may pertain to so..... That's how they can come up with a plan to help you with whatever issue you may be dealing with. If any therapist you've seen did not go through this process, they were not doing their job or, they were never therapist to begin with or, you're lying about ever seeing one.
(04-01-2025, 05:08 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (04-01-2025, 04:59 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]So, based on what facts are you calling this guy a liar?
Because I have seen therapists, and my wife has seen therapists, and they simply do not ask about politics.
They do ask about if you have guns in the home, and that is scandalous enough. It would definitely get written up in our clickbait addicted media if they started asking about political affiliation for all their new patients.
So, to summarize, based solely on your personal experiences, you're willing to call someone you've never met a liar.
I haven't noticed any
gun ownership by liberals statistics published lately by our clickbait addicted media. How is this possible?
(04-01-2025, 05:18 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ] (04-01-2025, 05:08 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Because I have seen therapists, and my wife has seen therapists, and they simply do not ask about politics.
They do ask about if you have guns in the home, and that is scandalous enough. It would definitely get written up in our clickbait addicted media if they started asking about political affiliation for all their new patients.
I've been seeing therapist off and on since 1995, and everyone I've seen will ask you generalized questions to get a feel of how your emotions work and on what issues they may pertain to so..... That's how they can come up with a plan to help you with whatever issue you may be dealing with. If any therapist you've seen did not go through this process, they were not doing their job or, they were never therapist to begin with or, you're lying about ever seeing one.
That is not fact. That is your experience based on personal opinion. Not a fact. You are not the grand poobah of determining facts. just an FYI. I can't dispute this guy's statistics of his business. I can only say that is his experience.
(04-01-2025, 05:18 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ] (04-01-2025, 05:08 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Because I have seen therapists, and my wife has seen therapists, and they simply do not ask about politics.
They do ask about if you have guns in the home, and that is scandalous enough. It would definitely get written up in our clickbait addicted media if they started asking about political affiliation for all their new patients.
I've been seeing therapist off and on since 1995, and everyone I've seen will ask you generalized questions to get a feel of how your emotions work and on what issues they may pertain to so..... That's how they can come up with a plan to help you with whatever issue you may be dealing with. If any therapist you've seen did not go through this process, they were not doing their job or, they were never therapist to begin with or, you're lying about ever seeing one.
They always ask what brings you in today, what are your concerns, tell me about your childhood, tell me about your family responsibilities, do these concerns connect to your childhood, do these concerns connect to your family responsibilities.
I suppose people sometimes bring up politics as they're fleshing out their answers to those things, but I don't and I doubt most people do.
Hubris, thy name is Mikesez; knower of all, seer of all, cogent of all.
(04-02-2025, 09:54 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Hubris, thy name is Mikesez; knower of all, seer of all, cogent of all.
Again, you are the one claiming to know that 90% of people who seek therapy are liberals.
I'm the one claiming that it is not knowable.
Hubris, thy name is all y'all.
(04-02-2025, 10:14 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (04-02-2025, 09:54 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Hubris, thy name is Mikesez; knower of all, seer of all, cogent of all.
Again, you are the one claiming to know that 90% of people who seek therapy are liberals.
I'm the one claiming that it is not knowable.
Hubris, thy name is all y'all.
Not at all, I'm just not calling the guy a liar because he related his personal experience. That would be you, the zealous contrarian to anything even remotely conservative.
(04-02-2025, 10:36 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (04-02-2025, 10:14 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Again, you are the one claiming to know that 90% of people who seek therapy are liberals.
I'm the one claiming that it is not knowable.
Hubris, thy name is all y'all.
Not at all, I'm just not calling the guy a liar because he related his personal experience. That would be you, the zealous contrarian to anything even remotely conservative.
I didn't call him a liar. I said he's either a liar or he's unethical.
(04-02-2025, 10:51 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (04-02-2025, 10:36 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Not at all, I'm just not calling the guy a liar because he related his personal experience. That would be you, the zealous contrarian to anything even remotely conservative.
I didn't call him a liar. I said he's either a liar or he's unethical.
You just did. So I assume you know this guy, his business, his customers and have asked them? OR are you making a ransom judgement of another person.
(04-02-2025, 11:47 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-02-2025, 10:51 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I didn't call him a liar. I said he's either a liar or he's unethical.
You just did. So I assume you know this guy, his business, his customers and have asked them? OR are you making a ransom judgement of another person.
No, but I know a bit about the ethics of psychology. If he actually has that information, and it's actually reliable, he violated the ethics of his profession.
I suppose there's a third possibility, where almost 100% of his clients volunteered that information without being asked. How did that happen? Did he recruit patients at a Democratic party fundraiser? If so, that's not a representative sample anymore, and not really worth discussing. So why discuss it? Why make it a viral post if we think there is something unusual but ethical about his practice? We don't really think that. We shared this information on social media because we think it is reliable and representative. And therefore we are either being lied to, or the source is unethical.
(04-02-2025, 12:12 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (04-02-2025, 11:47 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]You just did. So I assume you know this guy, his business, his customers and have asked them? OR are you making a ransom judgement of another person.
No, but I know a bit about the ethics of psychology. If he actually has that information, and it's actually reliable, he violated the ethics of his profession.
I suppose there's a third possibility, where almost 100% of his clients volunteered that information without being asked. How did that happen? Did he recruit patients at a Democratic party fundraiser? If so, that's not a representative sample anymore, and not really worth discussing. So why discuss it? Why make it a viral post if we think there is something unusual but ethical about his practice? We don't really think that. We shared this information on social media because we think it is reliable and representative. And therefore we are either being lied to, or the source is unethical.
So you have no clue, it is not what you want to hear, so in that case just call him a liar. Got it. thanks ...lol
(04-02-2025, 03:02 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-02-2025, 12:12 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]No, but I know a bit about the ethics of psychology. If he actually has that information, and it's actually reliable, he violated the ethics of his profession.
I suppose there's a third possibility, where almost 100% of his clients volunteered that information without being asked. How did that happen? Did he recruit patients at a Democratic party fundraiser? If so, that's not a representative sample anymore, and not really worth discussing. So why discuss it? Why make it a viral post if we think there is something unusual but ethical about his practice? We don't really think that. We shared this information on social media because we think it is reliable and representative. And therefore we are either being lied to, or the source is unethical.
So you have no clue, it is not what you want to hear, so in that case just call him a liar. Got it. thanks ...lol
I have lots of clues. That post gave you a lot of them.