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Quote:Shocking the the DNC may rig their party so an Independent didn't land the nomination. Just to bad the Republicans did not do it better. (P.S. they tried). More ineptness from the grand old party.


And this above is why politics suck.


The Republicans tried, but it was all out in the open. It was no secret they were trying to take down Trump. Big difference between DNC actually editing stories, trying to bully the media, influence the narrative behind close doors with the media (that should scare everyone) and the RNC actually having no problem stating they didn't want Trump. Whether the RNC did shady things behind close doors, it does not change the fact that this should upset people who vote. Also, there were 16 or so legitimate candidates that ran for President within the RNC. DNC had 2. This was a full on press by the DNC and this has been in the works for a while. That is sad for our Republic and Democracy.


Journalists are a dieing breed. What scares me more than what the DNC did to Bernie is what we saw within the media. Do people really want a political party to use a news organization as their mouth piece delivering news fluffed and not delivering news which will hurt that party? Are we really rooting for that to happen like you have above? I just don't get it.
Quote:You're challenging the intellect of those supporting Trump? Really? And you're all in for Hillary?


100% to both.
Quote:What qualifications does he possess that lead you to believe he would make a good president (aside from not being Hillary). I think you'll find answering this question honestly will leave you quite disappointed.
Trump was never my pick for the presidency, so I don't feel compelled to defend him on any level. 

 

What qualifications did Obama have to be president besides being a natural born citizen over the age of 35?  And what achievements has Clinton had that really qualify her to be the chief executive of anything, let alone the United States of America?  Her time in the Senate was lacking of any real legislation being proposed beyond renaming a couple of post offices.  Her tenure as Secretary of State was underwhelming at best, and potentially created a more dangerous environment with hot spots around the globe.  All the while, she was lining her pockets by selling access through her family slush fund, the Clinton Foundation.

 

The one area where Trump actually has the upper hand over Clinton is that he has actually run something.  His business acumen is certainly loaded with questionable stuff, but he does know how to surround himself with people who are more than competent to do the jobs they're tasked with.  There are certain issues where I think Trump is right, and many where I totally disagree with his views.  For me, in order for him to get my vote, I have to make the decision as to how much value I place on those issues where I agree with him.  There are some pretty big issues where I don't. 

 

We are faced with two very flawed candidates.  Neither is really deserving of the office, but that's all we've got.  A vote for Trump puts a stake in the heart of the perpetuation of the Clinton crime syndicate, and a vote for Clinton almost guarantees a 1 term presidency for Trump.  I'm not thrilled about that choice, but we've got to end this dynastic entitlement mentality of families like the Clintons and Bushes. 
Quote:100% to both.
 

Sorry, but I know plenty of Trump supporters who are extremely well educated, very well informed, and eyes wide-opened to who their candidate is.  What I see from supporters of Clintion is a bunch of lemmings who are willing to set aside all logic to support a candidate who has been at the front of a trail of corruption going back more than 3 decades.  You're good with that.  No problem. 
Quote:And this above is why politics suck.


The Republicans tried, but it was all out in the open. It was no secret they were trying to take down Trump. Big difference between DNC actually editing stories, trying to bully the media, influence the narrative behind close doors with the media (that should scare everyone) and the RNC actually having no problem stating they didn't want Trump. Whether the RNC did shady things behind close doors, it does not change the fact that this should upset people who vote. Also, there were 16 or so legitimate candidates that ran for President within the RNC. DNC had 2. This was a full on press by the DNC and this has been in the works for a while. That is sad for our Republic and Democracy.


Journalists are a dieing breed. What scares me more than what the DNC did to Bernie is what we saw within the media. Do people really want a political party to use a news organization as their mouth piece delivering news fluffed and not delivering news which will hurt that party? Are we really rooting for that to happen like you have above? I just don't get it.
 

Agreed.

 

While I think it's ridiculous for Trump to be running around saying the system is rigged, the reality is that, at least where the media is concerned, that's exactly what's happening. 
Quote:Sorry, but I know plenty of Trump supporters who are extremely well educated, very well informed, and eyes wide-opened to who their candidate is. What I see from supporters of Clintion is a bunch of lemmings who are willing to set aside all logic to support a candidate who has been at the front of a trail of corruption going back more than 3 decades. You're good with that. No problem.


The EXACT same is said of trump- no?


Anyway - yup Hillary gets my vote. Once Bernie relented she was best available. And long ago she helped one of my friends out when the VA denied his benefits.


We can still be friends though.
Quote:Trump was never my pick for the presidency, so I don't feel compelled to defend him on any level.


What qualifications did Obama have to be president besides being a natural born citizen over the age of 35? And what achievements has Clinton had that really qualify her to be the chief executive of anything, let alone the United States of America? Her time in the Senate was lacking of any real legislation being proposed beyond renaming a couple of post offices. Her tenure as Secretary of State was underwhelming at best, and potentially created a more dangerous environment with hot spots around the globe. All the while, she was lining her pockets by selling access through her family slush fund, the Clinton Foundation.


The one area where Trump actually has the upper hand over Clinton is that he has actually run something. His business acumen is certainly loaded with questionable stuff, but he does know how to surround himself with people who are more than competent to do the jobs they're tasked with. There are certain issues where I think Trump is right, and many where I totally disagree with his views. For me, in order for him to get my vote, I have to make the decision as to how much value I place on those issues where I agree with him. There are some pretty big issues where I don't.


We are faced with two very flawed candidates. Neither is really deserving of the office, but that's all we've got. A vote for Trump puts a stake in the heart of the perpetuation of the Clinton crime syndicate, and a vote for Clinton almost guarantees a 1 term presidency for Trump. I'm not thrilled about that choice, but we've got to end this dynastic entitlement mentality of families like the Clintons and Bushes.
So you admit he isn't your first choice. Hillary isn't mine either. Does it make me dumb to feel she is infinitely a better candidate despite this?


Interesting you bring up Obama. The right wing media is praising Trump for the EXACT same things they bashed Obama over. As for his qualifications. Obama understood law and government in far greater detail than Trump does. He also was not a belligerent and obnoxious sociopath.


Secretary of State is a huge feather in Hillary's cap. Was she the greatest SoS? I think she did more than Condi. Plus she was a Senator. She understands government and more importantly how the game is played on the Hill. Trump is a bully who thinks he can strongarm anyone and everyone into doing what he wants. How can he ever resolve anything diplomatically with that attitude? Does Hillary have blemishes? Absolutely. We agree these are two flawed candidates.


As for Trump running things. Yeah. Long list. Plenty of failures, lawsuits and bankruptcies. But he ran them? Steaks. Vodka. Scam University. Crooked development deals. He's been sued by the rich and the poor over violating contracts and lack of payment. He has the self control of a three year old hopped up on sugar. Our greatest allies loathe him. He is the most divisive candidate in US history who has flip flopped on so many issues it's impossible to take him at his word. He even denies things he said yesterday with a hundred cameras rolling. He is a narcissist and a thug. Not remotely presidential in any way. But he ran things. Get the **** outta here. Look at HOW he ran things. A good hard look. And you'll see how hard you're grasping at straws here. Love her or hate her, she is supremely more qualified for the role than he is.
with the amount of failed promises on behalf of the Obama admin... it's baffling that his voters will still sit there and defend him

this idea that so-and-so "understands government" is the typical elitist mentality that tries to form the illusion that these government jobs require vast technical knowledge.  they don't.  if you have goodwill toward the people, then most of this stuff requires common sense.

 

the problem is high-level politicians dont have goodwill toward the people.  they have an agenda.  they govern to meet that agenda.

Quote:this idea that so-and-so "understands government" is the typical elitist mentality that tries to form the illusion that these government jobs require vast technical knowledge. they don't. if you have goodwill toward the people, then most of this stuff requires common sense.


the problem is high-level politicians dont have goodwill toward the people. they have an agenda. they govern to meet that agenda.


Trump hasn't demonstrated basic competency of high school civics. Not an exaggeration.
Quote:with the amount of failed promises on behalf of the Obama admin... it's baffling that his voters will still sit there and defend him
 

As long as there is something free being promised, their voters will always cling to hope.
..and if you believe Trump is going to be an ambassador of goodwill to the people you are truly blind.
Quote:Trump hasn't demonstrated basic competency of high school civics. Not an exaggeration.
 

preventing illegal immigration and corporate flight for the sake of the american people is common sense.  no education required.  but when you have corporate owned politicians making policy and trade agreements, the american people get the shaft.
Quote:..and if you believe Trump is going to be an ambassador of goodwill to the people you are truly blind.
 

he's an unknown.  WE KNOW what we get with Hillary and its everything guys like Bernie stood against (supposedly)
I believe eventually time reveals truth (well maybe not always) and with the amount of things the Clintons are involved in I would be surprised if it doesn't come out at some point. We shall see.
Quote:preventing illegal immigration and corporate flight for the sake of the american people is common sense. no education required. but when you have corporate owned politicians making policy and trade agreements, the american people get the shaft.


Yeah.. Comrade Trump is looking out for you.
Quote:So you admit he isn't your first choice. Hillary isn't mine either. Does it make me dumb to feel she is infinitely a better candidate despite this?


Interesting you bring up Obama. The right wing media is praising Trump for the EXACT same things they bashed Obama over. As for his qualifications. Obama understood law and government in far greater detail than Trump does. He also was not a belligerent and obnoxious sociopath.


Secretary of State is a huge feather in Hillary's cap. Was she the greatest SoS? I think she did more than Condi. Plus she was a Senator. She understands government and more importantly how the game is played on the Hill. Trump is a bully who thinks he can strongarm anyone and everyone into doing what he wants. How can he ever resolve anything diplomatically with that attitude? Does Hillary have blemishes? Absolutely. We agree these are two flawed candidates.


As for Trump running things. Yeah. Long list. Plenty of failures, lawsuits and bankruptcies. But he ran them? Steaks. Vodka. Scam University. Crooked development deals. He's been sued by the rich and the poor over violating contracts and lack of payment. He has the self control of a three year old hopped up on sugar. Our greatest allies loathe him. He is the most divisive candidate in US history who has flip flopped on so many issues it's impossible to take him at his word. He even denies things he said yesterday with a hundred cameras rolling. He is a narcissist and a thug. Not remotely presidential in any way. But he ran things. Get the **** outta here. Look at HOW he ran things. A good hard look. And you'll see how hard you're grasping at straws here. Love her or hate her, she is supremely more qualified for the role than he is.
Right wing media?  That's barely a blip on the media radar, so who cares?  Obama isn't belligerent or obnoxious?  Did you watch his presser today?  He understood the law through his filter as a man raised by radical/communists.  That's not rhetoric.  That's fact.  We seriously don't know how well educated Obama is on the law, or the Constitution beyond what he claims.  Based on how little regard he's shown for the Constitution since taking office, I'd say that if he's educated on the law, he's equally versed on how to get around it.  In that regard, he and Clinton have a lot in common.

 

Secretary of State is a feather if you have some accomplishments to show for it beyond cooking up weapons deals or pawning off nuclear material to an organization that just happens to have donated heavily to her slush fund.  If she was such a celebrated Secretary of State, why isn't she running on the specific policies she implemented that show how wildly successful she was in that role?  For someone who claims to sweat the details, she sure is lacking in providing them to back up her feather.  She's tossing out that we got Bin Laden.  Other than sitting in the room watching the video when the cameras snapped, what did she do?  The one glaring failure was the weapons deal she and her boss cooked up selling Libyan weapons caches to al Qaeda and ISIS to fight in Syria against Assad.  And the only reason they had the weapons cache in Libya to do this was because she and her boss supported the expulsion from leadership and subsequent murder of the nations dictator, who BTW, was actually working with the US to deal with al Qaeda and ISIS because they scared the crap out of him too.  She supported the Arab Spring and the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood to leadership in Egypt.  She laid the groundwork for the Iran nuke deal which, by any measure, is an unmitigated disaster.  Her reset button nonsense with Russia has opened the door to a potential new cold war, and her vacillation on trade agreements is almost comical.  Some feather.  Maybe a dodo bird feather. 

 

Regarding her other foreign policy views, she opposed the surge in Iraq during the Bush administration.  She was wrong.  The surge worked.

 

As far as being Senator is concerned, she carpet bagged her way to a vacancy in NY, ran against a lousy opponent, and won handily because of the D after her name in a state that is one of the bluest of blues.  Once she got to the Senate, what did she do?  If you look at the bills she proposed, she wasn't some great legislator.  She claimed to be a champion for women and children, all the while taking significant donations to her foundation from nations where women are treated like property.  She proposed 3 bills that were eventually signed into law.  One renamed a highway in honor of Tim Russert.  Another renamed a post office.  The third created a national historic site.  She attached her support to several bills, including the massive recovery act that Obama signed into law for all those shovel ready jobs (yuck yuck), and co-sponsored a fair pay bill (she doesn't even practice this with her own staff). 

 

The woman Obama called the most qualified person in modern history to seek the office was about as equally qualified as he was when he ran in 2008.  Her greatest qualification to be the next president is the fact that she married well.  Beyond that, she's nothing more than an empty pantsuit with well lined pockets.  But, hey, she understands government.  Have you looked at the polling numbers for how much faith voters have in government?  Have you looked at polling numbers showing how much they trust Hillary?   The only thing polling lower is the media. 

 

Our strongest allies loathed Reagan back in 1980.  They thought he was going to bring the world to WW3.  Turns out they were wrong, so pardon me if I don't really care what our allies think in August of 2016.  Much depends on who he surrounds himself with. 
Quote:So you admit he isn't your first choice. Hillary isn't mine either. Does it make me dumb to feel she is infinitely a better candidate despite this?


Interesting you bring up Obama. The right wing media is praising Trump for the EXACT same things they bashed Obama over. As for his qualifications. Obama understood law and government in far greater detail than Trump does. He also was not a belligerent and obnoxious sociopath.


Secretary of State is a huge feather in Hillary's cap. Was she the greatest SoS? I think she did more than Condi. Plus she was a Senator. She understands government and more importantly how the game is played on the Hill.
Trump is a bully who thinks he can strongarm anyone and everyone into doing what he wants. How can he ever resolve anything diplomatically with that attitude? Does Hillary have blemishes? Absolutely. We agree these are two flawed candidates.


As for Trump running things. Yeah. Long list. Plenty of failures, lawsuits and bankruptcies. But he ran them? Steaks. Vodka. Scam University. Crooked development deals. He's been sued by the rich and the poor over violating contracts and lack of payment. He has the self control of a three year old hopped up on sugar. Our greatest allies loathe him. He is the most divisive candidate in US history who has flip flopped on so many issues it's impossible to take him at his word. He even denies things he said yesterday with a hundred cameras rolling. He is a narcissist and a thug. Not remotely presidential in any way. But he ran things. Get the [BAD WORD REMOVED] outta here. Look at HOW he ran things. A good hard look. And you'll see how hard you're grasping at straws here. Love her or hate her, she is supremely more qualified for the role than he is.
 

The bold part in red is exactly THE problem.  The "game" on the hill is all about power, making money and winning the next election.
no no, they would rather continue with the status quo because Trump is so scary

Quote:You're challenging the intellect of those supporting Trump?  Really?  And you're all in for Hillary?


Trump himself said so. It's gospel.
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