Quote:Yep, a guy who's run before on his own merit is totally a Clinton plant. You know he's more likely to siphon voters off of Clinton than Trump, right?
I doubt that. Just a hunch on my part, but he's likely to siphon "youth votes" more than anything. People that would actually vote for Clinton are probably older and/or vote for the Democrat candidate regardless of who it is.
If anyone is a "Clinton plant" I think that it's Trump.
Quote:You don't think Rich people are just going to let the masses go and take away their good thing now, do you?
They sure know how to control the narrative.
Quote:What do you guys feel about Johnson? He's running on the Libertarian ticket. I think Libertarians in general are nuts, but Johnson seems reasonable. Right now he's polling between 6-12% in national polls. Do you think he can gather enough support to be included in the debates?
Personally, I can't stand Hillary or Trump and would consider voting for Johnson. Liberal stances on social issues, (extremely) conservative on economy and government.
Hes a warmed-over, older style republican, former Governor, who thinks hes libertarian because he supports legalizing weed. He didn't thrill me 4 years ago, and he certainly doesn't now. He is IMO, part of the establishment trying to take over the libertarians. This would be a good election for a guy like Ron Paul. I wish the libertarian canidate the best of luck, but I won't identify with them anymore. I rather enjoy not having my taxes audited and being refered to as a 'terrorist' by idiots like Jeh Johnson.
Quote:He needs I think 15% support to get into the debates. He'd be the first since Ross Perrot, and would be the only modern third party candidate to ever reach that margin necessary. I think he might get a bit more support than past third party candidates.
You are correct. The establishment doesn't want a repeat of the 90's with Nader coming in and sounding off.
Quote:What do you guys feel about Johnson? He's running on the Libertarian ticket. I think Libertarians in general are nuts, but Johnson seems reasonable. Right now he's polling between 6-12% in national polls. Do you think he can gather enough support to be included in the debates?
Personally, I can't stand Hillary or Trump and would consider voting for Johnson. Liberal stances on social issues, (extremely) conservative on economy and government.
Having watched several elections as registered member of the libertarian party let me say, they always poll 6-12%, then only get 3% in reality. I voted for the Libertarian for Govenor in 2014. He had the same polling numbers as Johnson. He won the highest percentage in modern times for a third party. It was 3.8% or 3.9% of the vote. And I am happy to be in that 4% or less club, if the Libertarians give me a decent canidate. Not crazy John McAfee or reheated Repubs like Johnson who are already establishment types.
Yea Garry Johnson is fumbling pretty hard right now. I don't know who his advisors are but attempting to make yourself look mainstream defeats the point.
Words cannot begin to explain my disappointment with Johnson. A huge opportunity has been missed.
He said that he wanted to cut out marijuana "to be sharper". Johnson then has gone on to sound like a bumbling mess without it.
With Weld on the ticket, they're about as libertarian as Mitt Romney
Yeah, that was hugely disappointing. Given a golden opportunity and he doesn't come close to capitalizing on it. Not anywhere near close. I'd be incensed if I was one of the Libertarian Party officials that worked to get him that chance.
Quote:Lol, way to reenforce everything I ever thought about you, Gary. Should have put Ron Paul up again or even Rand Paul.
Ron Paul is 80 years old. You can let that hope go. As far as Rand is concerned, he's no libertarian either.
Those who were fawning over Gary Johnson as the logical alternative should educate themselves. The guy is weak, and he's got a Romney drone on the ticket.
Quote:Ron Paul is 80 years old. You can let that hope go. As far as Rand is concerned, he's no libertarian either.
Those who were fawning over Gary Johnson as the logical alternative should educate themselves. The guy is weak, and he's got a Romney drone on the ticket.
I am not fond of Johnson but he is the likely nominee for the Libertarian Party. I think Austin Peterson would have done a much better job there. He ran Johnson over in a debate between them and McAfee. Peterson sounds pretty sharp every time he speaks but I haven't heard a whole lot from him either so....
LOL, this is supposed to be the third party to change it all.
Quote:I am not fond of Johnson but he is the likely nominee for the Libertarian Party. I think Austin Peterson would have done a much better job there. He ran Johnson over in a debate between them and McAfee. Peterson sounds pretty sharp every time he speaks but I haven't heard a whole lot from him either so....
There are quite a few who really liked Johnson, and thought he was this great libertarian. I never saw it. I've never been terribly impressed by him.
I actually liked Peterson because he adopted the Penny Plan and a flat tax, both items I agree with. I didn't like his suggestion that we use a lottery or toll system to fund public works. We've all lived in states where the lottery is intended for one purpose, but the money never seems to quite get where it needs to.
I thought Peterson's national security positions were pretty reasonable, and would probably play well with the electorate if he was to get the platform, but that didn't happen.
I was fine with his views on the war on drugs. It's a tremendous waste of resources, and there are better ways to spend that money on prevention and help than simply on enforcement. The war on drugs was a noble concept, but a lousy plan.
Johnson is just too wishy washy. Putting Weld on the ticket made it clear that this was just another desperate attempt by the establishment republicans to field a campaign that could take out Trump. It's a joke. Weld is cut from the same libertarian cloth as Mitch McConnell.
The fact is, that in our modern society, social services are needed, thus libertarians are at a cross roads.
If they would focus on creating laws that protect workers and small business, while removing the laws that create crony capitalism, in addition to letting gays marry, and reducing the military burden overseas, while ending the war on drugs, they'd get alot more traction.
At the end of the day, Johnson knows that must people don't look at the government and social programs the way the true believers look at the government and social programs.
Figures it would be an ex-republican to kill the libertarians parties chance.